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  • R Raj Lal

    10 Bags with 100 coins each Each coin is 10 gms in 9 bags Each coin is 9 gms in one bag (you dont know which ONE bag) You have a weiging machine which gives you the exact weight


    You can use the weighing machine EXACTLY ONCE


    How will you fnd which bag has coins of 9 gms


    You have time till the evening Ask me if any doubt about the question


    [DON"T SEE THE ANSWERS BELOW IF YOU SOLVED IT BY YOURSELF DO TELL BE HOW MUCH TIME IT TOOK] "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:03 Monday 24th October, 2005

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    1 Pick one coin from the first bag, 2 from the second, 3 from the third, 4 from the 4th and so on ... 2 Weight all these (picked) coins together. 3 Subtract the weight from [edit]550 (=10+20+30+40+50+60+70+80+90+100)[/edit] 4 The number you get will tell you which bag has the 9gm coins.:cool: Rui A. Rebelo I don't smoke, don't gamble, don't sniff, don't drink and don't womanize. My only defect is that I lie just a little bit, sometimes. Tim Maia (brazilian pop singer) -- modified at 12:39 Monday 24th October, 2005

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    • R Raj Lal

      10 Bags with 100 coins each Each coin is 10 gms in 9 bags Each coin is 9 gms in one bag (you dont know which ONE bag) You have a weiging machine which gives you the exact weight


      You can use the weighing machine EXACTLY ONCE


      How will you fnd which bag has coins of 9 gms


      You have time till the evening Ask me if any doubt about the question


      [DON"T SEE THE ANSWERS BELOW IF YOU SOLVED IT BY YOURSELF DO TELL BE HOW MUCH TIME IT TOOK] "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:03 Monday 24th October, 2005

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      Luis Alonso Ramos
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      Put 10 coins from one bag, 9 from another, 8 from another, and so on at the same scale. Count all the coins, multiply times 10, take the actual weight, and the number of grams missing is the number of coins you put on the scale from that bag. :cool: -- LuisR


      Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!

      The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005

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        1 Pick one coin from the first bag, 2 from the second, 3 from the third, 4 from the 4th and so on ... 2 Weight all these (picked) coins together. 3 Subtract the weight from [edit]550 (=10+20+30+40+50+60+70+80+90+100)[/edit] 4 The number you get will tell you which bag has the 9gm coins.:cool: Rui A. Rebelo I don't smoke, don't gamble, don't sniff, don't drink and don't womanize. My only defect is that I lie just a little bit, sometimes. Tim Maia (brazilian pop singer) -- modified at 12:39 Monday 24th October, 2005

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        Luis Alonso Ramos
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        You beat me to it by seconds :mad:!!! :-D -- LuisR


        Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!

        The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005

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          You beat me to it by seconds :mad:!!! :-D -- LuisR


          Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!

          The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005

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          Rui A Rebelo
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          Yeah, it's just a case of faster connection. In A.I. they'd say "that's brute force, not real inteligence".:) Rui A. Rebelo I don't smoke, don't gamble, don't sniff, don't drink and don't womanize. My only defect is that I lie just a little bit, sometimes. Tim Maia (brazilian pop singer)

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          • R Raj Lal

            10 Bags with 100 coins each Each coin is 10 gms in 9 bags Each coin is 9 gms in one bag (you dont know which ONE bag) You have a weiging machine which gives you the exact weight


            You can use the weighing machine EXACTLY ONCE


            How will you fnd which bag has coins of 9 gms


            You have time till the evening Ask me if any doubt about the question


            [DON"T SEE THE ANSWERS BELOW IF YOU SOLVED IT BY YOURSELF DO TELL BE HOW MUCH TIME IT TOOK] "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:03 Monday 24th October, 2005

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            Raj Lal
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            Bravo !!! LuisR and Rui A It took me 20 minutes to to solve this so i thot must be worth sharing. :cool: If you have 9 coins with 8 of them 10 gms and One of them 9 gms and a Beam Balance (instead of Weiging machine)


            And Two chances to find out which coin is the 9 gm one


            much simpler though was related so here you go "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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            • R Raj Lal

              Bravo !!! LuisR and Rui A It took me 20 minutes to to solve this so i thot must be worth sharing. :cool: If you have 9 coins with 8 of them 10 gms and One of them 9 gms and a Beam Balance (instead of Weiging machine)


              And Two chances to find out which coin is the 9 gm one


              much simpler though was related so here you go "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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              Rui A Rebelo
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              Easy. 1 Separate into 3 groups of 3 coins each group. 2 Weight 2 of these groups. If one of them is heavier it has the 9gm coin. If not the other group has it. 3 Sum 2 of the coins of the heavy group. If one is heavier it is the 9gm coin. If not the remaining coin is it.:) Rui A. Rebelo I don't smoke, don't gamble, don't sniff, don't drink and don't womanize. My only defect is that I lie just a little bit, sometimes. Tim Maia (brazilian pop singer)

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              • R Raj Lal

                10 Bags with 100 coins each Each coin is 10 gms in 9 bags Each coin is 9 gms in one bag (you dont know which ONE bag) You have a weiging machine which gives you the exact weight


                You can use the weighing machine EXACTLY ONCE


                How will you fnd which bag has coins of 9 gms


                You have time till the evening Ask me if any doubt about the question


                [DON"T SEE THE ANSWERS BELOW IF YOU SOLVED IT BY YOURSELF DO TELL BE HOW MUCH TIME IT TOOK] "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:03 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                Raj Lal
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                For all the Mathematicians OUT THERE


                Five dots are arranged in space so that no more than three at a time can have a single flat surface pass through them. If each group of three dots has a flat surface pass through it and extend an infinite distance in every direction, what is the maximum number of different lines at which these surfaces may intersect one another?


                Don't worry, even from here I can clearly hear you say, "Huh?"
                :)


                "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious" -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:25 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                • R Raj Lal

                  For all the Mathematicians OUT THERE


                  Five dots are arranged in space so that no more than three at a time can have a single flat surface pass through them. If each group of three dots has a flat surface pass through it and extend an infinite distance in every direction, what is the maximum number of different lines at which these surfaces may intersect one another?


                  Don't worry, even from here I can clearly hear you say, "Huh?"
                  :)


                  "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious" -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:25 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                  Luis Alonso Ramos
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                  Two. :suss: -- LuisR


                  Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!

                  The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005

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                    Two. :suss: -- LuisR


                    Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!

                    The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005

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                    Luis Alonso Ramos
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                    Ok, I accept it, I have no clue!! It's just a wild guess! :-D -- LuisR


                    Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!

                    The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005

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                    • R Raj Lal

                      For all the Mathematicians OUT THERE


                      Five dots are arranged in space so that no more than three at a time can have a single flat surface pass through them. If each group of three dots has a flat surface pass through it and extend an infinite distance in every direction, what is the maximum number of different lines at which these surfaces may intersect one another?


                      Don't worry, even from here I can clearly hear you say, "Huh?"
                      :)


                      "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious" -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:25 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                      Rui A Rebelo
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                      Huh? Ok, let me try it. So if you have 5 dots to be arranged by 3 to define planes you'd have: combination of 5 by 3= (5!) / ( (5-3)! * 3!) = 10 planes Now, for 1 plane you'd have 0 lines. For each extra plane you add you would have the existing lines plus a number of lines equal to the previously existing number of planes (since the new plane will intercept the existing just once). So:

                      planes lines
                      1 0
                      2 1
                      3 3
                      4 6
                      5 10
                      6 15
                      7 21
                      8 28
                      9 36
                      10 45

                      or, as a formula:

                      lines( 1 )=0 if planes=1
                      lines( planes )= lines( planes-1)+ planes-1 if planes > 1

                      Makes sense? :confused: Rui A. Rebelo I don't smoke, don't gamble, don't sniff, don't drink and don't womanize. My only defect is that I lie just a little bit, sometimes. Tim Maia (brazilian pop singer) -- modified at 13:46 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                      • R Raj Lal

                        For all the Mathematicians OUT THERE


                        Five dots are arranged in space so that no more than three at a time can have a single flat surface pass through them. If each group of three dots has a flat surface pass through it and extend an infinite distance in every direction, what is the maximum number of different lines at which these surfaces may intersect one another?


                        Don't worry, even from here I can clearly hear you say, "Huh?"
                        :)


                        "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious" -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:25 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                        Gizzo
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                        And how many times can I use the weiging machine?

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                        • R Raj Lal

                          For all the Mathematicians OUT THERE


                          Five dots are arranged in space so that no more than three at a time can have a single flat surface pass through them. If each group of three dots has a flat surface pass through it and extend an infinite distance in every direction, what is the maximum number of different lines at which these surfaces may intersect one another?


                          Don't worry, even from here I can clearly hear you say, "Huh?"
                          :)


                          "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious" -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:25 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                          Well, the whole 5 dots thing is a red herring, since we can only have three dots with planes passing between them. So lets narrow it down to three by setting the extra two dots off in the distance (such that a plane we set down won't pass between them or the other dots). Then we've got three dots, and there are two spaces between them, each allowing one flat surface. So we lay down our flat surfaces and dots like so:

                          \ /
                          . \ . / .
                          \ /
                          \ /
                          \/
                          /\
                          / \

                          Then we've got two planes intersecting at one line. (Think of this as a top down view, and the "line" at which they intersect is in the middle of the X, extending through your monitor). Am I right?


                          Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                            Huh? Ok, let me try it. So if you have 5 dots to be arranged by 3 to define planes you'd have: combination of 5 by 3= (5!) / ( (5-3)! * 3!) = 10 planes Now, for 1 plane you'd have 0 lines. For each extra plane you add you would have the existing lines plus a number of lines equal to the previously existing number of planes (since the new plane will intercept the existing just once). So:

                            planes lines
                            1 0
                            2 1
                            3 3
                            4 6
                            5 10
                            6 15
                            7 21
                            8 28
                            9 36
                            10 45

                            or, as a formula:

                            lines( 1 )=0 if planes=1
                            lines( planes )= lines( planes-1)+ planes-1 if planes > 1

                            Makes sense? :confused: Rui A. Rebelo I don't smoke, don't gamble, don't sniff, don't drink and don't womanize. My only defect is that I lie just a little bit, sometimes. Tim Maia (brazilian pop singer) -- modified at 13:46 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                            Raj Lal
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                            what do you think :sigh: "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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                              And how many times can I use the weiging machine?

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                              Raj Lal
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                              Just Once In the Main question (with weighing machine) and twice int the Beam Balance question And n* number of times for the 5 points problem ;) * depends on how many times you want to.... "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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                                Well, the whole 5 dots thing is a red herring, since we can only have three dots with planes passing between them. So lets narrow it down to three by setting the extra two dots off in the distance (such that a plane we set down won't pass between them or the other dots). Then we've got three dots, and there are two spaces between them, each allowing one flat surface. So we lay down our flat surfaces and dots like so:

                                \ /
                                . \ . / .
                                \ /
                                \ /
                                \/
                                /\
                                / \

                                Then we've got two planes intersecting at one line. (Think of this as a top down view, and the "line" at which they intersect is in the middle of the X, extending through your monitor). Am I right?


                                Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                damn, I was nearly to post the same, but my fingers are slower...:|

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                                  Well, the whole 5 dots thing is a red herring, since we can only have three dots with planes passing between them. So lets narrow it down to three by setting the extra two dots off in the distance (such that a plane we set down won't pass between them or the other dots). Then we've got three dots, and there are two spaces between them, each allowing one flat surface. So we lay down our flat surfaces and dots like so:

                                  \ /
                                  . \ . / .
                                  \ /
                                  \ /
                                  \/
                                  /\
                                  / \

                                  Then we've got two planes intersecting at one line. (Think of this as a top down view, and the "line" at which they intersect is in the middle of the X, extending through your monitor). Am I right?


                                  Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                                  Raj Lal
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                                  What do you think ? :sigh: "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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                                    what do you think :sigh: "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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                                    Rui A Rebelo
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                                    I don't know. It makes sense to me, but I suspect there might be something I didn't notice.:confused::~ Rui A. Rebelo I don't smoke, don't gamble, don't sniff, don't drink and don't womanize. My only defect is that I lie just a little bit, sometimes. Tim Maia (brazilian pop singer)

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                                      damn, I was nearly to post the same, but my fingers are slower...:|

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                                      Raj Lal
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                                      please do post your answer with your explaination... "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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                                      • R Raj Lal

                                        10 Bags with 100 coins each Each coin is 10 gms in 9 bags Each coin is 9 gms in one bag (you dont know which ONE bag) You have a weiging machine which gives you the exact weight


                                        You can use the weighing machine EXACTLY ONCE


                                        How will you fnd which bag has coins of 9 gms


                                        You have time till the evening Ask me if any doubt about the question


                                        [DON"T SEE THE ANSWERS BELOW IF YOU SOLVED IT BY YOURSELF DO TELL BE HOW MUCH TIME IT TOOK] "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 13:03 Monday 24th October, 2005

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                                        Gizzo
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                                        Hey. Do you remember the Fat Point Teorem from the school? Teorem: Throught a point can pass infinite lines, and much more lines the fatter the point is. Take a pen and paper. It's easy to demostrate it.

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                                        • R Raj Lal

                                          What do you think ? :sigh: "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein

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                                          Quartz... wrote:

                                          What do you think ?

                                          I think that I'm right. I don't see a way in which I could position the points and planes in a way that would allow me to get a different answer.


                                          Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson

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