A message to Disbeliver Anonymous freak
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So Attaman Sukdiki,
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
nothing is left to answer your queries
it's not that there's nothing left it's that you haven't the brain to address them, nor can you possibly address them because islam isn't self-consistent. It's centrally flawed and you are heretics and non-believers. Besides, islam is flattery of Christianity. Mohammed imitated Christianity by taking our stories. We had them first. I guess imitation is the finest form of flattery, so thanks. ;P;P
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
go and die as Anonymous,
I'll pray for you damnation today - in a mosque. :laugh:
Anonymous wrote:
Mohammed imitated Christianity by taking our stories. We had them first.
Talking as someone who thinks all religions are complete bollox, a view which you've all managed to confirm recently. I thought I should point out that most of the stories in both religions stem from much older stories many of which where around in pre christian egyptian and Babylonian times, with many of the central themes, world floods etc dating back to times before the written word. As an example there are references to the great flood in Gilgamesh a Mesapotamian poem believed to have been written about 2600 BC on clay tablets. Anthony
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Anonymous wrote:
Mohammed imitated Christianity by taking our stories. We had them first.
Talking as someone who thinks all religions are complete bollox, a view which you've all managed to confirm recently. I thought I should point out that most of the stories in both religions stem from much older stories many of which where around in pre christian egyptian and Babylonian times, with many of the central themes, world floods etc dating back to times before the written word. As an example there are references to the great flood in Gilgamesh a Mesapotamian poem believed to have been written about 2600 BC on clay tablets. Anthony
Anthony Roach wrote:
As an example there are references to the great flood in Gilgamesh a Mesapotamian poem believed to have been written about 2600 BC on clay tablets.
the key word if "believe". This is just one theory, not proven. Also, the poems could have been written about Nohah's flood.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
jews and christians also believe that lucifer is a rejected angel of God who refused to bow infront of Adam.
Speak for yourself. That sounds like a fairy story to me.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A disbeliever is even worst than a Satan(Lucifer) because Satan does believe in God unlike disbeliever
Wrong. Belief without action is less than useless.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
go and die as Anonymous,
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
dont even dare
This is a bit rude, don't you think ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
< < Adnan Siddiqi wrote: < < jews and christians also believe that lucifer is a rejected angel of God who refused to bow infront of Adam. < Speak for yourself. That sounds like a fairy story to me. So what is the Christian view on Satan anyway? I've seen many theories (laid out by Jews and Christians, although the popular Jewish opinion is that Samael is not just another name for Satan) about Samael, Lucifer, Satan, <insert favorite name here> being the same and only - the one against God. IIRC, Satan means adversary, meaning God's adversary. Samael is the one who makes God test the faith of Job. The way it is written, reminds me of the slithery, slippery and evil guy a.k.a Satan in the NT. Because of these similarities, I don't reject the idea that they're all the same guy. At least to me. But then again, I'm a neutral observer. :) --
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i have noticed many times,and read other experiences that no matter you give the solid proof about any point to chiristians and jews,even from their own book,they dont try to accept it,or even listen it,but it doesn`t hurt me or anyone at all. Most prolly i went against this Quranic verse in which Allah says: Thanks Bro A.A for qouting such appropiate Surah (AlAnkabut.046) And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender. carry on your blasphemy MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
that no matter you give the solid proof about any point
I've been following your exchange with Christian and you haven't done any proving at all. You take a quote, and simply say "Look, isn't it obvious it means what I think it does? READ AGAIN!". You've been arrogant and childish in your responses. If you're trying convince someone they are wrong, you won't get anywhere being offensive. You can "show mirror" all day long, but if you're being a self-righteous jackass about it you wasting your breath.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Most prolly i went against this Quranic verse
I'd say so.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
carry on your blasphemy
:sigh: BW
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Anthony Roach wrote:
As an example there are references to the great flood in Gilgamesh a Mesapotamian poem believed to have been written about 2600 BC on clay tablets.
the key word if "believe". This is just one theory, not proven. Also, the poems could have been written about Nohah's flood.
kgaddy wrote:
the key word if "believe". This is just one theory, not proven. Also, the poems could have been written about Nohah's flood.
No one is of the mere belief that they were written. They are written in cuniform on stone tablets that date to about the year 2600. I refer you to the word bollox used earlier. Anthony
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kgaddy wrote:
the key word if "believe". This is just one theory, not proven. Also, the poems could have been written about Nohah's flood.
No one is of the mere belief that they were written. They are written in cuniform on stone tablets that date to about the year 2600. I refer you to the word bollox used earlier. Anthony
Anthony Roach wrote:
No one is of the mere belief that they were written. They are written in cuniform on stone tablets that date to about the year 2600.
Not what I said, They believe the words that were written, refer to the flood of Nohah. But have no proof the text was about Nohah's flood. There is no doubt the text was written, just what true event, if any, they refer to.
Anthony Roach wrote:
I refer you to the word bollox used earlier.
....right. Make sure you read the post first before you try to sound cute, kinda makes you look dumb.
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< < Adnan Siddiqi wrote: < < jews and christians also believe that lucifer is a rejected angel of God who refused to bow infront of Adam. < Speak for yourself. That sounds like a fairy story to me. So what is the Christian view on Satan anyway? I've seen many theories (laid out by Jews and Christians, although the popular Jewish opinion is that Samael is not just another name for Satan) about Samael, Lucifer, Satan, <insert favorite name here> being the same and only - the one against God. IIRC, Satan means adversary, meaning God's adversary. Samael is the one who makes God test the faith of Job. The way it is written, reminds me of the slithery, slippery and evil guy a.k.a Satan in the NT. Because of these similarities, I don't reject the idea that they're all the same guy. At least to me. But then again, I'm a neutral observer. :) --
I don't believe it says that Lucifer is Satan anywhere in the Bible. In fact, I think Lucifer means "morning star" which is another name for Jesus given in Revelation.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
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i have noticed many times,and read other experiences that no matter you give the solid proof about any point to chiristians and jews,even from their own book,they dont try to accept it,or even listen it,but it doesn`t hurt me or anyone at all. Most prolly i went against this Quranic verse in which Allah says: Thanks Bro A.A for qouting such appropiate Surah (AlAnkabut.046) And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender. carry on your blasphemy MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Even I, a total nonbeliever, can read between the lines on this one.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better
Our way is always better so feel free to argue all you want.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
save with such of them as do wrong
They don't believe what we do so they're a priori wrong.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
our Allah and your Allah is One
Our god is your god and we'll tell you how to worship him. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Even I, a total nonbeliever, can read between the lines on this one.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better
Our way is always better so feel free to argue all you want.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
save with such of them as do wrong
They don't believe what we do so they're a priori wrong.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
our Allah and your Allah is One
Our god is your god and we'll tell you how to worship him. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
Tim Craig wrote:
Even I, a total nonbeliever, can read between the lines on this one.
Huh? I thought the english wording was fairly staright forward and didn't need reading between the lines.
Tim Craig wrote:
Our way is always better so feel free to argue all you want.
Um I thought the English was clear here. Maybe the command to Moses will bring the meaning closer.
020.043 "Go, both of you, to Pharaoh, for he has indeed transgressed all bounds; 020.044 "But speak to him mildly; perchance he may take warning or fear (Allah)."Quran Translation Intro Discover -
Tim Craig wrote:
Even I, a total nonbeliever, can read between the lines on this one.
Huh? I thought the english wording was fairly staright forward and didn't need reading between the lines.
Tim Craig wrote:
Our way is always better so feel free to argue all you want.
Um I thought the English was clear here. Maybe the command to Moses will bring the meaning closer.
020.043 "Go, both of you, to Pharaoh, for he has indeed transgressed all bounds; 020.044 "But speak to him mildly; perchance he may take warning or fear (Allah)."Quran Translation Intro DiscoverA.A. wrote:
Huh? I thought the english wording was fairly staright forward and didn't need reading between the lines.
Reading between the lines is what makes religions work. An example of the old saying, "If you can't dazzle them with intellect, baffle them with bull shit."
A.A. wrote:
"Go, both of you, to Pharaoh
I don't know any pharoahs. Weren't they one of the gangs in "American Graffiti"? :cool:
A.A. wrote:
"But speak to him mildly;
And I'll carry a big stick... :| At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Wont you answer my question?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
go and die as Anonymous,
Do you want this person to die?
No, he won't. He stopped replying to me also, I guess because he couldn't answer my questions. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes this fairy tell stroy was qouted from bible verse
You believe that the thoughts in your head matter for something if you don't act on them ?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i have been dealing with you for two days
You've been ignoring my questions for two days, yes.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
what i found that you are from one of those who even reject bible`s wording frequently
No, just your twisted intepretations. I note you've not once tried to address where I've shown from the Bible why your views on the verses you quote are wrong.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
if you are just being ignorant than nothing is left to discuss
I don't think asking you honest questions, which you choose to ignore, is 'ignorant'.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
why dont you believe your own biblic verse
I repeat - not accepting your bizarre interpetations is not the same as not believing the Bible. I've quoted a number of things and asked if you believe them, why won't you answer me ? I think you've made it clear that it's you who rejects the Bible.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Boy,quit the habbit of qouting out of context things.
I'm sorry, this is the pot calling the kettle black. I said at hte start that I respect your right to be totally wrong. But, if you don't want to discuss why you're wrong with me, then just stop, instead of claiming you've proven anything, when you have not. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
I don't want to vote anonymously, but I think you've said what I want to say already in your past statements. I'm behind you on this one, CG. (Actually I was a bit surprised to read your statements because I didn't imagine you're so passionate about Christianity) Ed
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I don't want to vote anonymously, but I think you've said what I want to say already in your past statements. I'm behind you on this one, CG. (Actually I was a bit surprised to read your statements because I didn't imagine you're so passionate about Christianity) Ed
Edbert P. wrote:
(Actually I was a bit surprised to read your statements because I didn't imagine you're so passionate about Christianity)
I guess it's just another part of my life, that I'm happy to flow into this one, but that I wouldn't force into a site like CP, which is plainly not about such things. I certainly find myself discussing Christianity in the soapbox fairly regularly though. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
yes this fairy tell stroy was qouted from bible verse
You believe that the thoughts in your head matter for something if you don't act on them ?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i have been dealing with you for two days
You've been ignoring my questions for two days, yes.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
what i found that you are from one of those who even reject bible`s wording frequently
No, just your twisted intepretations. I note you've not once tried to address where I've shown from the Bible why your views on the verses you quote are wrong.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
if you are just being ignorant than nothing is left to discuss
I don't think asking you honest questions, which you choose to ignore, is 'ignorant'.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
why dont you believe your own biblic verse
I repeat - not accepting your bizarre interpetations is not the same as not believing the Bible. I've quoted a number of things and asked if you believe them, why won't you answer me ? I think you've made it clear that it's you who rejects the Bible.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Boy,quit the habbit of qouting out of context things.
I'm sorry, this is the pot calling the kettle black. I said at hte start that I respect your right to be totally wrong. But, if you don't want to discuss why you're wrong with me, then just stop, instead of claiming you've proven anything, when you have not. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
I repeat - not accepting your bizarre interpetations is not the same as not believing the Bible. I've quoted a number of things and asked if you believe them, why won't you answer me ? I think you've made it clear that it's you who rejects the Bible.
its not matter of interpetation,i asked you about the verses in bible,i asked your answer,many times you rejected the verses by saying its wrong,you were saying wrong to biblic verses,what i have felt that you dont have enough knowledge about bible,if you are Christian by name,it doesn`t mean you automatically got into the christianity in a true manner..sometimes you got so confused that you were rejecting your own statment in a single post for instance,in one of reply in which i qouted verse of a bible you simply replied Jesus was plainly a prophet, and: which is against Christianity concept of diety that is Trinity in which Essa(AS) which is called Jesus,ranks second in trinity(Father, Son and Holy Spirit) he`s prolly the first chiristian who calimed that Jesus was the prophet.I have met christians in real life ,i have talked and discussed on internet,i found noone who said that jesus was a prophet..infact i am happy to know that chrisitan graus beliving in reality that Jesus was nothing but an ordinary man like us and messenger of God,regardless of truth. anyway,the whole point is not hes wrong or I am right..he just got confused in his own statments,everytime his statments rejected his old statments,like when i qouted him the following verse in a mail i sent him John 12:14: "And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon, as it is written." he called this verse wrong and said Jesus never came on ass..how could i talk with this guy who`s not serious about his own religion,and just reply with lack of responsibility.i ve debat with many christians and jews and sometimes i found them very sensible towards listening me.. Christians Gaurus,my friend,take my advice,better study bible throughly then come for dicussion with others,you are even dangerous for fellow chiristians. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Wont you answer my question?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
go and die as Anonymous,
Do you want this person to die?
everyone has to die,including you and me..regardless of my will.. if i say or wish he die today,he won`t die,as i am not his creator and destructor,if i wish and pray for his long live,yet i am helpless as i am not hsi creator and destructor.. i hope he would find some day who`s his creator.. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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everyone has to die,including you and me..regardless of my will.. if i say or wish he die today,he won`t die,as i am not his creator and destructor,if i wish and pray for his long live,yet i am helpless as i am not hsi creator and destructor.. i hope he would find some day who`s his creator.. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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No, he won't. He stopped replying to me also, I guess because he couldn't answer my questions. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
No, he won't. He stopped replying to me also, I guess because he couldn't answer my questions.
you dont know yourself what you want to ask about :> MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Christian Graus wrote:
I repeat - not accepting your bizarre interpetations is not the same as not believing the Bible. I've quoted a number of things and asked if you believe them, why won't you answer me ? I think you've made it clear that it's you who rejects the Bible.
its not matter of interpetation,i asked you about the verses in bible,i asked your answer,many times you rejected the verses by saying its wrong,you were saying wrong to biblic verses,what i have felt that you dont have enough knowledge about bible,if you are Christian by name,it doesn`t mean you automatically got into the christianity in a true manner..sometimes you got so confused that you were rejecting your own statment in a single post for instance,in one of reply in which i qouted verse of a bible you simply replied Jesus was plainly a prophet, and: which is against Christianity concept of diety that is Trinity in which Essa(AS) which is called Jesus,ranks second in trinity(Father, Son and Holy Spirit) he`s prolly the first chiristian who calimed that Jesus was the prophet.I have met christians in real life ,i have talked and discussed on internet,i found noone who said that jesus was a prophet..infact i am happy to know that chrisitan graus beliving in reality that Jesus was nothing but an ordinary man like us and messenger of God,regardless of truth. anyway,the whole point is not hes wrong or I am right..he just got confused in his own statments,everytime his statments rejected his old statments,like when i qouted him the following verse in a mail i sent him John 12:14: "And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon, as it is written." he called this verse wrong and said Jesus never came on ass..how could i talk with this guy who`s not serious about his own religion,and just reply with lack of responsibility.i ve debat with many christians and jews and sometimes i found them very sensible towards listening me.. Christians Gaurus,my friend,take my advice,better study bible throughly then come for dicussion with others,you are even dangerous for fellow chiristians. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
its not matter of interpetation,i asked you about the verses in bible
Sure - you asked for my interpretation, after offering yours.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
many times you rejected the verses by saying its wrong
You continue to be deliberatly obtuse, almost as if you don't realise that I've asked you a lot of questions, which you refuse to even acknowledge, let alone answer.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
what i have felt that you dont have enough knowledge about bible
You can feel whatever makes you feel better. I know enough to ask questions from the Bible you can't answer, and either way, I don't stand before you, so your opinion doesn't matter to me.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you simply replied Jesus was plainly a prophet, and: which is against Christianity concept of diety that is Trinity
You've suggested that this is the case ( because how can one be a prophet when one speaks of oneself ). Your argument is like everything else you say, nothing to do with God, or faith, a lot to do with word games, and semantics. Jesus was a prophet because He foretold the future. Every true prophet tells the future because they have communication with God. Your concept of the Trinity ( an idea I have not pursued at all ) has no bearing on me, or Jesus.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
he`s prolly the first chiristian who calimed that Jesus was the prophet
What's with 'the prophet' ? He was THE saviour. He was A prophet.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i found noone who said that jesus was a prophet..
Really ? I guess they defined prophet differently to me. I say it's someone who delivers a message from God, under His inspiration.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
infact i am happy to know that chrisitan graus beliving in reality that Jesus was nothing but an ordinary man like us
Yep - you can't answer my questions, so instead put words in my mouth, in fact the opposite of what I said.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
he called this verse wrong
You, sir, are a liar. You never quoted this, and I pointed out to you that He RODE the ass, it did not pull a chariot,
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, he won't. He stopped replying to me also, I guess because he couldn't answer my questions.
you dont know yourself what you want to ask about :> MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
I sent you the same questions via email several times, I know what I want to ask: Adnan Siddiqi wrote: JEsus will not take a bit of your sins on His shoulder in the judgment day,he will be worried himself and requesting God to let get him into heaven Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Good - so we agree that you reject Jesus and therefore His God ? Like I said at the start, I respect your right to be wrong, I won't set out to attack you personally ( although you've taken a few shots at me ). However, so long as we're discussing it, I reserve the right to point out that you are a very confused individual. You claim to believe in Jesus, but you rely on some misinterpreted old testament scripture to reject everything He stood for, in favour of a false prophet. In the New Testament church, God heals people. Do you believe that God heals you ? In the New Testament church, prophets speak regularly. Do people prophecy in Islamic churches ? In the New Testament, the church is to take communion to remember the sacrifice of Jesus. Do you do this? If the answer is no, then you reject Jesus - you should be honest enough to admit this, although you pretty much did admit it when you said that Jesus would be worried about His salvation on judgement day ( which is weird, because the day in question is the day of Jesus' return to earth, assuming you are still claiming to believe the Bible ). Out of interest, do you agree with me that Mohammed is dead ? Do you agree with me that Jesus rose from the dead and went to be with God ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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I sent you the same questions via email several times, I know what I want to ask: Adnan Siddiqi wrote: JEsus will not take a bit of your sins on His shoulder in the judgment day,he will be worried himself and requesting God to let get him into heaven Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Good - so we agree that you reject Jesus and therefore His God ? Like I said at the start, I respect your right to be wrong, I won't set out to attack you personally ( although you've taken a few shots at me ). However, so long as we're discussing it, I reserve the right to point out that you are a very confused individual. You claim to believe in Jesus, but you rely on some misinterpreted old testament scripture to reject everything He stood for, in favour of a false prophet. In the New Testament church, God heals people. Do you believe that God heals you ? In the New Testament church, prophets speak regularly. Do people prophecy in Islamic churches ? In the New Testament, the church is to take communion to remember the sacrifice of Jesus. Do you do this? If the answer is no, then you reject Jesus - you should be honest enough to admit this, although you pretty much did admit it when you said that Jesus would be worried about His salvation on judgement day ( which is weird, because the day in question is the day of Jesus' return to earth, assuming you are still claiming to believe the Bible ). Out of interest, do you agree with me that Mohammed is dead ? Do you agree with me that Jesus rose from the dead and went to be with God ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
In the New Testament church, prophets speak regularly. Do people prophecy in Islamic churches ?
Reading this several times, I was having a hard time understanding what the reference is to. As for the other comments that pertain to Islam.
Christian Graus wrote:
Good - so we agree that you reject Jesus and therefore His God ?
Muslims reject Jesus is a god, part of God, or the son of God.
Christian Graus wrote:
Do you believe that God heals you ?
Al-Shuraa:080 "And when I am ill, it is He Who cures me;In the New Testament, the church is to take communion to remember the sacrifice of Jesus. Do you do this? If the answer is no, then you reject Jesus - you should be honest enough to admit this
No, Muslims don't do that.
Christian Graus wrote:
which is weird, because the day in question is the day of Jesus' return to earth, assuming you are still claiming to believe the Bible
Muslims believe that he will come back.
Christian Graus wrote:
Out of interest, do you agree with me that Mohammed is dead ?
Without a doubt. With the refrence to the prophet Muhammad.
Az-Zumar:30 Surely you shall die and they (too) shall surely die.Christian Graus wrote:
Do you agree with me that Jesus rose from the dead and went to be with God ?
Different parts of this incident is mentioned in several places here is one.
An-Nisa:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- An-Nisa:158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-