Muslim insurgents In Thailand
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kgaddy wrote:
So they kill people. Nice.
Yes. Although I remember a bit of blood being shed during the American Revolution as well :-)
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Chris Losinger wrote:
are you saying that because some Indonesian Muslims were motivated by one thing, the 9/11 people (who were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, etc.) therefore weren't motivated by something else ?
No, I'm saying that it seems strange that when radical Islamics have a problem with someone, anyone, they start killing.
well, that's the definition of radical Islamics, i guess. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Muslim insurgents launch 34 attacks in south Thailand I remember when the US was targeted with 9-11, the left was saying that we cause ed this to be brought on by US policies. What international policies of Thailand caused this? Or is it that they just want to take over and impose shria law?
Southern Thailand: the Long Grind[^]
See I try, and look up To the sky, but my eyes burn Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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well, that's the definition of radical Islamics, i guess. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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because a decade or so ago, the economic and political situation of a region where people were predominantly Muslim generated an ideology, with some outside help, that made a-symmetrical violence an acceptable way of dealing with otherwise untouchable powers. that ideology spread beyond its original borders and adherents, as other people recognized its efficacy. in other words: it worked for some Muslims and now others are trying to see if it can work for them. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Southern Thailand: the Long Grind[^]
See I try, and look up To the sky, but my eyes burn Fold with us! ¤ flickr
interesting read, thanks. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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kgaddy wrote:
So they kill people. Nice.
Yes. Although I remember a bit of blood being shed during the American Revolution as well :-)
The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison Awasu 2.1.3 [^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
Taka Muraoka wrote:
Yes. Although I remember a bit of blood being shed during the American Revolution as well
Wait, your saying this is the same as the US Revolution? In the US revolution, neither the British or the US were going around commiting terrorist acts (killing women and children)
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
Yes. Although I remember a bit of blood being shed during the American Revolution as well
Wait, your saying this is the same as the US Revolution? In the US revolution, neither the British or the US were going around commiting terrorist acts (killing women and children)
kgaddy wrote:
neither the British or the US were going around commiting terrorist acts (killing women and children)
Actually the frontier saw quite a lot of that by both sides. Indian warfare was pretty much nothing but terrorism by all parties. Still, to compare a war that contributed significantly to the modern liberal democratic workd to the struggle of Islamic Fascists is just ludicrous. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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because a decade or so ago, the economic and political situation of a region where people were predominantly Muslim generated an ideology, with some outside help, that made a-symmetrical violence an acceptable way of dealing with otherwise untouchable powers. that ideology spread beyond its original borders and adherents, as other people recognized its efficacy. in other words: it worked for some Muslims and now others are trying to see if it can work for them. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Suicide bombings have been going on in Muslim areas (as an offensive means against a foe perceived as otherwise unhurtable) for quite a bit longer than a decade. I remember reading a BBC article back around 9/11 talking about suicide bombings in the middle east during the heyday of French and British imperialism in the area. I'm also willing to bet that it's not just Muslims that do it today, although they are certainly the kings of it at the present moment. I think there are some key points in Islamic theology (jihad, death for Allah, etc...) that make followers of Islam more susceptible to such acts. In addition, there are some other theological points that I believe severely hamstring your average Muslim from disassociating themselves from extremely 'radical' views. The Koran is, in Muslim Theology, the unaltered Word of Allah Himself, recorded by Mohammed without interpretation. This makes it much, much harder to ignore the pieces about holy wars against the lesser infidels, where a woman's place is in society, and other such dictates from times long ago. Jews and Christians had an easier escape route from their ancient thinking, as they're ancient texts were always some interpreted inspiration provided by God - never God Himself. During the Renaissance (sp? :-O), even the brightest minds struggled to deal with the explanations of the real world that seemed to contradict theological thinking revolving around Christianity and the Bible. But they were able to escape it by beginning to look at the Bible as Holy, but not absolutely literal. An absolutely wonderful book (very dense, but worth it) on this subject is Fernad Hallyn's Poetic Structure of the World[^]. It discusses the great lengths to which Copernicus and Kepler went to try and keep their theories about the organization of the solar system both accurate and in-line with religious dogma of the time. Had they not had the non-literal-Bible escape hatch, their task would have been all but impossible, and the Renaissance may not have happened at all. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
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Muslim insurgents launch 34 attacks in south Thailand I remember when the US was targeted with 9-11, the left was saying that we cause ed this to be brought on by US policies. What international policies of Thailand caused this? Or is it that they just want to take over and impose shria law?
But they are so peaceful - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4384264.stm[^]
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Suicide bombings have been going on in Muslim areas (as an offensive means against a foe perceived as otherwise unhurtable) for quite a bit longer than a decade. I remember reading a BBC article back around 9/11 talking about suicide bombings in the middle east during the heyday of French and British imperialism in the area. I'm also willing to bet that it's not just Muslims that do it today, although they are certainly the kings of it at the present moment. I think there are some key points in Islamic theology (jihad, death for Allah, etc...) that make followers of Islam more susceptible to such acts. In addition, there are some other theological points that I believe severely hamstring your average Muslim from disassociating themselves from extremely 'radical' views. The Koran is, in Muslim Theology, the unaltered Word of Allah Himself, recorded by Mohammed without interpretation. This makes it much, much harder to ignore the pieces about holy wars against the lesser infidels, where a woman's place is in society, and other such dictates from times long ago. Jews and Christians had an easier escape route from their ancient thinking, as they're ancient texts were always some interpreted inspiration provided by God - never God Himself. During the Renaissance (sp? :-O), even the brightest minds struggled to deal with the explanations of the real world that seemed to contradict theological thinking revolving around Christianity and the Bible. But they were able to escape it by beginning to look at the Bible as Holy, but not absolutely literal. An absolutely wonderful book (very dense, but worth it) on this subject is Fernad Hallyn's Poetic Structure of the World[^]. It discusses the great lengths to which Copernicus and Kepler went to try and keep their theories about the organization of the solar system both accurate and in-line with religious dogma of the time. Had they not had the non-literal-Bible escape hatch, their task would have been all but impossible, and the Renaissance may not have happened at all. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
Russell Morris wrote:
I remember reading a BBC article back around 9/11 talking about suicide bombings in the middle east during the heyday of French and British imperialism in the area.
sure. but i think it faded after that, then made a resurgence somewhat recently.
Russell Morris wrote:
as they're ancient texts were always some interpreted inspiration provided by God - never God Himself
well, that's not true of all Christians. you don't have to look very hard to find dedicated parsers who think every syllable came right from God's mouth. Intelligent Design and its less politically savvy ancestors, for example. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Russell Morris wrote:
I remember reading a BBC article back around 9/11 talking about suicide bombings in the middle east during the heyday of French and British imperialism in the area.
sure. but i think it faded after that, then made a resurgence somewhat recently.
Russell Morris wrote:
as they're ancient texts were always some interpreted inspiration provided by God - never God Himself
well, that's not true of all Christians. you don't have to look very hard to find dedicated parsers who think every syllable came right from God's mouth. Intelligent Design and its less politically savvy ancestors, for example. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
well, that's not true of all Christians. you don't have to look very hard to find dedicated parsers who think every syllable came right from God's mouth.
Fair enough. But I was referring to the texts themselves. The Bible is sprinkled with 'God said Xxxx' or 'Jesus said Xxxxx', but the majority of it does not refer to itself as spoken by God himself. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
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kgaddy wrote:
neither the British or the US were going around commiting terrorist acts (killing women and children)
Actually the frontier saw quite a lot of that by both sides. Indian warfare was pretty much nothing but terrorism by all parties. Still, to compare a war that contributed significantly to the modern liberal democratic workd to the struggle of Islamic Fascists is just ludicrous. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote:
compare a war that contributed significantly to the modern liberal democratic workd
Had you asked the British in 1783, they would have disagreed.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
are you saying that because some Indonesian Muslims were motivated by one thing, the 9/11 people (who were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, etc.) therefore weren't motivated by something else ?
No, I'm saying that it seems strange that when radical Islamics have a problem with someone, anyone, they start killing.
kgaddy wrote:
when radical Islamics have a problem with someone, anyone, they start killing
And this differs from other religions exactly how? Except for some Hindu and Buddhist sects, every religion has endorsed killing at one time or another.
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kgaddy wrote:
when radical Islamics have a problem with someone, anyone, they start killing
And this differs from other religions exactly how? Except for some Hindu and Buddhist sects, every religion has endorsed killing at one time or another.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Except for some Hindu and Buddhist sects, every religion has endorsed killing at one time or another.
Yes, and they are held accountable for it. Ed, when thousands are dieing from Islamic fundamentalism it is incredible fucking stupid to try to make it an issue about religion in general. It isn't - it is about Islamic Fundamentalism, not the fucking Baptists. Using Islamic fundamentalist violence to try to achieve the left's long standing desire to free humanity of religion altogether makes you as bad as the terrorists. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
compare a war that contributed significantly to the modern liberal democratic workd
Had you asked the British in 1783, they would have disagreed.
Well, fine, if you want to believe that Islamic Fascism represents the foundation of a political philosphy that will define the future, go ahead. For my part, I will be supporting every effort to ensure that doesn't happen. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Well, fine, if you want to believe that Islamic Fascism represents the foundation of a political philosphy that will define the future, go ahead. For my part, I will be supporting every effort to ensure that doesn't happen. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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It's funny how some people will go out of their way to discredit the US even it it means defending radical Islam.
To me it is more evidence that the left has simply lost its mind. I mean, how absolutely insane does a person have to be to equate terrorist fighting to promote a set of dark age religious principles, with the American Revolution? Granted, if they win, then 200 years from now when everyone on the planet is bowing to mecca 3 or 4 times a day, I'm sure they will view the "revolutionaries" of the 21st century as great heroes. But for someone to suggest that such an outcome is equivalent to the continued progress of western civilization on its current course is just nuts. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 17:51 Friday 28th October, 2005
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To me it is more evidence that the left has simply lost its mind. I mean, how absolutely insane does a person have to be to equate terrorist fighting to promote a set of dark age religious principles, with the American Revolution? Granted, if they win, then 200 years from now when everyone on the planet is bowing to mecca 3 or 4 times a day, I'm sure they will view the "revolutionaries" of the 21st century as great heroes. But for someone to suggest that such an outcome is equivalent to the continued progress of western civilization on its current course is just nuts. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 17:51 Friday 28th October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
to suggest that such an outcome is equivalent
Who suggested that? As usual, you should read posts before responding. It would make arguing with you more challenging if you actually understood the argument.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Except for some Hindu and Buddhist sects, every religion has endorsed killing at one time or another.
Yes, and they are held accountable for it. Ed, when thousands are dieing from Islamic fundamentalism it is incredible fucking stupid to try to make it an issue about religion in general. It isn't - it is about Islamic Fundamentalism, not the fucking Baptists. Using Islamic fundamentalist violence to try to achieve the left's long standing desire to free humanity of religion altogether makes you as bad as the terrorists. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote:
makes you as bad as the terrorists
Aw, get a life, Stan. The bogeyman ("terrorists") and this misbeggoten strategy ("war") are wearing thin. We are not at war. Terrorists are not hiding under your bed. The truth is that Bush lied us into a series of misadventures that American servicemen are paying dearly for. Maybe you don't care about 2,000 lives lost, but I do.