Camera Question
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The talk (below) about camera's got me thinking (dangerous); I've been looking at new camera's for a few of weeks. I really want this one Nikon D200[^], it's just a wee bit expensive (at least my wife will think so if I try to justify it). What do you think of the Nikon D50[^] vs. the Canon EOS 350D[^]? Gary Marc Clifton: "In other words, VB is like a bad parent. It can really screw up your childhood."
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The talk (below) about camera's got me thinking (dangerous); I've been looking at new camera's for a few of weeks. I really want this one Nikon D200[^], it's just a wee bit expensive (at least my wife will think so if I try to justify it). What do you think of the Nikon D50[^] vs. the Canon EOS 350D[^]? Gary Marc Clifton: "In other words, VB is like a bad parent. It can really screw up your childhood."
Oh that D200 is a beauty. If I was not a Canon man I'd be all over it. I wrote a short introduction[^] on it. I spent a day thinking about selling my Canon lenses and getting into Nikon thanks to that D200. As for D50 vs. 350D I'd go for the 350D. If it were the D70 vs. the 350D then it would be a tougher call. But I recommend you go and man handle the 350D before you buy it. I find it too small to be really comfortable to use. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN! -- modified at 9:41 Friday 11th November, 2005
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Oh that D200 is a beauty. If I was not a Canon man I'd be all over it. I wrote a short introduction[^] on it. I spent a day thinking about selling my Canon lenses and getting into Nikon thanks to that D200. As for D50 vs. 350D I'd go for the 350D. If it were the D70 vs. the 350D then it would be a tougher call. But I recommend you go and man handle the 350D before you buy it. I find it too small to be really comfortable to use. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN! -- modified at 9:41 Friday 11th November, 2005
Hi Paul, thanks for the input. From all I have read, the D50 seems to be superior in most ways to the D70 (though the lack of Depth of Field preview is a dissapointment). 1/4000s vs. 1/8000 won't make too much diffence to me (at least that I can foresee). What (in your opinion) makes the D70 more comparible to the 350D? I wonder if I could sell some body parts to buy the D200? :)
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The talk (below) about camera's got me thinking (dangerous); I've been looking at new camera's for a few of weeks. I really want this one Nikon D200[^], it's just a wee bit expensive (at least my wife will think so if I try to justify it). What do you think of the Nikon D50[^] vs. the Canon EOS 350D[^]? Gary Marc Clifton: "In other words, VB is like a bad parent. It can really screw up your childhood."
Gary Thom wrote:
it's just a wee bit expensive (at least my wife will think so if I try to justify it).
Okay, what you do is you attempt to justify a really expensive camera that you know your wife will disallow outright. Then you negociate down to the camera that you actually want and "reluctantly" accept that that is the best you can afford. So, just remember that once you have your camera to keep talking as if the next model or two up is the one your really wanted for a few days so it doesn't seem like you were manipulating the situation.
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
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Gary Thom wrote:
it's just a wee bit expensive (at least my wife will think so if I try to justify it).
Okay, what you do is you attempt to justify a really expensive camera that you know your wife will disallow outright. Then you negociate down to the camera that you actually want and "reluctantly" accept that that is the best you can afford. So, just remember that once you have your camera to keep talking as if the next model or two up is the one your really wanted for a few days so it doesn't seem like you were manipulating the situation.
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
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The talk (below) about camera's got me thinking (dangerous); I've been looking at new camera's for a few of weeks. I really want this one Nikon D200[^], it's just a wee bit expensive (at least my wife will think so if I try to justify it). What do you think of the Nikon D50[^] vs. the Canon EOS 350D[^]? Gary Marc Clifton: "In other words, VB is like a bad parent. It can really screw up your childhood."
I know it isn't the best camera on the market (far from it) but I bought a Kodak EasyShare 740(i think this is the model) a month back for about $325 dollars. It has a 10x optical zoom and come with 32mb of memeory. I am a very amateur photographer and this camera has really helped me out in my skills. It has a lot of dummy proof options to help me take pictures but it also has some manual ones that can help me improve my skills so I can learn to use a really good one. I definitely recommend my camera for a family man because it takes awesome stills and takes very good action pictures. Brett A. Whittington Application Developer
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Oh that D200 is a beauty. If I was not a Canon man I'd be all over it. I wrote a short introduction[^] on it. I spent a day thinking about selling my Canon lenses and getting into Nikon thanks to that D200. As for D50 vs. 350D I'd go for the 350D. If it were the D70 vs. the 350D then it would be a tougher call. But I recommend you go and man handle the 350D before you buy it. I find it too small to be really comfortable to use. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN! -- modified at 9:41 Friday 11th November, 2005
Paul Watson wrote:
If it were the D70 vs. the 350D then it would be a tougher call.
It is, and it was. The only reason I chose the D70 was some past experience with Nikons. It was a very tough call, and you could still argue it either way. They are both good cameras though. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The talk (below) about camera's got me thinking (dangerous); I've been looking at new camera's for a few of weeks. I really want this one Nikon D200[^], it's just a wee bit expensive (at least my wife will think so if I try to justify it). What do you think of the Nikon D50[^] vs. the Canon EOS 350D[^]? Gary Marc Clifton: "In other words, VB is like a bad parent. It can really screw up your childhood."
Gary Thom wrote:
The talk (below) about camera's got me thinking (dangerous); I've been looking at new camera's for a few of weeks.
I'll go out on a limb and ask you what you enjoy photographing most? landscapes? Sunsets? Night shots? Indoor? people (indoor or outdoor)? action? Even if you intend to do all kinds of photography it helps to know what you are going to enjoy most with your camera. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Hi Paul, thanks for the input. From all I have read, the D50 seems to be superior in most ways to the D70 (though the lack of Depth of Field preview is a dissapointment). 1/4000s vs. 1/8000 won't make too much diffence to me (at least that I can foresee). What (in your opinion) makes the D70 more comparible to the 350D? I wonder if I could sell some body parts to buy the D200? :)
Apologies, I should have said D70s, the update to the D70. The D50 is the very base entry level DSLR model from Nikon. The D70s is a bit up from it. From what I have read the D70s is a better handling camera than the D50. It has more direct control while the D50 has been simplified. Various functions on the D70s have dedicated buttons while on the D50 they have been simplified into the menu system. Specs are one thing but how a camera handles is also very important. So if you are just a casual shooter then the D50 is probably a better bet but if you want to push it you will get frustrated and wish you had the handling and control of the D70s. Much the same thoughts ran through my head when I was choosing between the 350D and the 20D. The 20D is a good deal more but spec wise they are very similar. What makes the 20D worth the extra money are the extra physical controls, the rugged body and the slightly faster performance. If none of that matters to you then no worries, get the D50. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Gary Thom wrote:
The talk (below) about camera's got me thinking (dangerous); I've been looking at new camera's for a few of weeks.
I'll go out on a limb and ask you what you enjoy photographing most? landscapes? Sunsets? Night shots? Indoor? people (indoor or outdoor)? action? Even if you intend to do all kinds of photography it helps to know what you are going to enjoy most with your camera. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: landscapes? Sunsets? Night shots? Indoor? people (indoor or outdoor)? action? Hmm. All of the above. I currently have the Nikon Coolpix 5700, the most annoying things are 1. startup speed, capturing that expression on my daughters face is impossible when it takes 2.5 seconds to power up. 2. Low light autofocus, is spends far to long hunting (and often failing), in low light (i.e. couple of 60W bulbs in the apartment).
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Apologies, I should have said D70s, the update to the D70. The D50 is the very base entry level DSLR model from Nikon. The D70s is a bit up from it. From what I have read the D70s is a better handling camera than the D50. It has more direct control while the D50 has been simplified. Various functions on the D70s have dedicated buttons while on the D50 they have been simplified into the menu system. Specs are one thing but how a camera handles is also very important. So if you are just a casual shooter then the D50 is probably a better bet but if you want to push it you will get frustrated and wish you had the handling and control of the D70s. Much the same thoughts ran through my head when I was choosing between the 350D and the 20D. The 20D is a good deal more but spec wise they are very similar. What makes the 20D worth the extra money are the extra physical controls, the rugged body and the slightly faster performance. If none of that matters to you then no worries, get the D50. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
What you just mentioned is one of the reasons I've not just gone and bought the D50. I'd prefer the button approach to hunting through the menus. I'm getting frustrated with my current camera Nikon 5700, while I've managed to get some amazing pictures from it, I think I've reached the limit of what it can do (or I can do with it)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: landscapes? Sunsets? Night shots? Indoor? people (indoor or outdoor)? action? Hmm. All of the above. I currently have the Nikon Coolpix 5700, the most annoying things are 1. startup speed, capturing that expression on my daughters face is impossible when it takes 2.5 seconds to power up. 2. Low light autofocus, is spends far to long hunting (and often failing), in low light (i.e. couple of 60W bulbs in the apartment).
Gary Thom wrote:
I currently have the Nikon Coolpix 5700, the most annoying things are 1. startup speed, capturing that expression on my daughters face is impossible when it takes 2.5 seconds to power up. 2. Low light autofocus, is spends far to long hunting (and often failing), in low light (i.e. couple of 60W bulbs in the apartment).
Do you intend to learn the finer points of SLR photography, or will you primarily use it in point-n-shoot mode? My 5400 is sitting on the shelf to my left. I decided that I no longer wanted just a poin-n-shoot camera, that although it had been a decade since I used an SLR, and then only briefly, that I wanted to learn. I now almost never use the point-n-shoot switch on the camera, and often don't use the scene buttons (portrait, landscape, action is the one I will use), in order to force me to learn how to adapt and learn. So... do you intend to use the manual functions to setup the lens aperature and shutter speed? If you are taking pictures of your daughter, of any person. I think you definately need the depth of field information and greater control. That's my recent playground and I am still working on it. Give me time and I can think it through, but with people I had a few problems (thus the dancer pointing at me has her finger out of focus). These shots have to come second nature, and I am still working on it. I still think you would like the D70s better [edit: than the D50]. If the choice has to be the D50 or the Canon 350D, go with the Canon hands down. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) -- modified at 11:40 Friday 11th November, 2005
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Gary Thom wrote:
I currently have the Nikon Coolpix 5700, the most annoying things are 1. startup speed, capturing that expression on my daughters face is impossible when it takes 2.5 seconds to power up. 2. Low light autofocus, is spends far to long hunting (and often failing), in low light (i.e. couple of 60W bulbs in the apartment).
Do you intend to learn the finer points of SLR photography, or will you primarily use it in point-n-shoot mode? My 5400 is sitting on the shelf to my left. I decided that I no longer wanted just a poin-n-shoot camera, that although it had been a decade since I used an SLR, and then only briefly, that I wanted to learn. I now almost never use the point-n-shoot switch on the camera, and often don't use the scene buttons (portrait, landscape, action is the one I will use), in order to force me to learn how to adapt and learn. So... do you intend to use the manual functions to setup the lens aperature and shutter speed? If you are taking pictures of your daughter, of any person. I think you definately need the depth of field information and greater control. That's my recent playground and I am still working on it. Give me time and I can think it through, but with people I had a few problems (thus the dancer pointing at me has her finger out of focus). These shots have to come second nature, and I am still working on it. I still think you would like the D70s better [edit: than the D50]. If the choice has to be the D50 or the Canon 350D, go with the Canon hands down. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) -- modified at 11:40 Friday 11th November, 2005
I've not used the auto setting on the camera for about a year, maybe more. I tend to use it in apeture priority (to get the depth of field I want), keeping a close eye on the shutter speed of course. The only scene selectors are when I use the macro or landscape settings, otherwise I do everything manually. Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: If the choice has to be the D50 or the Canon 350D, go with the Canon hands down. Why? OK, I know the 350D has higher resolution, but if memory serves it doesn't have spot metering, it's small and a bit light in the hand (I need to go compare them side by side in my hands). I had sort of gone off the D70s idea, but maybe I should have another look at it. :) Thanks for the input.
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Oh that D200 is a beauty. If I was not a Canon man I'd be all over it. I wrote a short introduction[^] on it. I spent a day thinking about selling my Canon lenses and getting into Nikon thanks to that D200. As for D50 vs. 350D I'd go for the 350D. If it were the D70 vs. the 350D then it would be a tougher call. But I recommend you go and man handle the 350D before you buy it. I find it too small to be really comfortable to use. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN! -- modified at 9:41 Friday 11th November, 2005
What is it that everyone raves about with the D200? I can understand people want the sealed body, but other than that it's not better than the 20D IMO. And... Nikons high-ISO levels are not exactly good, there are no reason to believe they are comparable to Canons, but of course we will know much more about that when the camera actually is released for sale ;) Well, I'm not switching to Nikon whatever they comes out with, I have way too much invested in Canon glass (like the 400 f/2.8 :-D ) - Anders
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What is it that everyone raves about with the D200? I can understand people want the sealed body, but other than that it's not better than the 20D IMO. And... Nikons high-ISO levels are not exactly good, there are no reason to believe they are comparable to Canons, but of course we will know much more about that when the camera actually is released for sale ;) Well, I'm not switching to Nikon whatever they comes out with, I have way too much invested in Canon glass (like the 400 f/2.8 :-D ) - Anders
To me it is so great for being so rounded. Nothing stands out in the camera because everything in it is of good quality and well balanced. For instance the 5D is an awesome image maker but the body is not on the same level. My take on the D200[^]. But yeah. Having Canon glass and Canon noise-quality does also keep me in the Canon camp. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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To me it is so great for being so rounded. Nothing stands out in the camera because everything in it is of good quality and well balanced. For instance the 5D is an awesome image maker but the body is not on the same level. My take on the D200[^]. But yeah. Having Canon glass and Canon noise-quality does also keep me in the Canon camp. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
My take on the D200[^].
Yeah, I read that, nice post :) I have no doubt that the D200 is a great camera, but what makes me wonder is all those people that want to switch from Canon to Nikon ;) All new Nikon and Canon DSLR are great cameras, and sometimes Nikon have a slight edge over Canon and sometimes the other way around. (A bit OT: It also depends what you do with your camera, nothing beats the 1DMkII for sport photography) - Anders
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Paul Watson wrote:
My take on the D200[^].
Yeah, I read that, nice post :) I have no doubt that the D200 is a great camera, but what makes me wonder is all those people that want to switch from Canon to Nikon ;) All new Nikon and Canon DSLR are great cameras, and sometimes Nikon have a slight edge over Canon and sometimes the other way around. (A bit OT: It also depends what you do with your camera, nothing beats the 1DMkII for sport photography) - Anders
Anders Molin wrote:
All new Nikon and Canon DSLR are great cameras, and sometimes Nikon have a slight edge over Canon and sometimes the other way around.
Oh completely, well said and quite right. Canon vs. Nikon vs. my dad is better than your dad. Nothing in it. And I'll just forget you have a 1D MkII. One day :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Anders Molin wrote:
All new Nikon and Canon DSLR are great cameras, and sometimes Nikon have a slight edge over Canon and sometimes the other way around.
Oh completely, well said and quite right. Canon vs. Nikon vs. my dad is better than your dad. Nothing in it. And I'll just forget you have a 1D MkII. One day :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
And I'll just forget you have a 1D MkII.
So now is the wrong time to tell I have 2 of them? ;) - Anders
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Paul Watson wrote:
And I'll just forget you have a 1D MkII.
So now is the wrong time to tell I have 2 of them? ;) - Anders
I can get a flight to your city this weekend, I'll pick your spare 1D MkII up then... ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I can get a flight to your city this weekend, I'll pick your spare 1D MkII up then... ;) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
I'll buy you a beer and we could probably have some fun and go on a phototrip somewhere ;) But, you would have to kill me to get it with you to ireland :) - Anders