Just got my first BSOD in Win Xp
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Firefox does crash occasionally - I recommend session saver 0.2[^]. When you reload FF, everything is back exactly where you left it! Clever stuff..... -- modified at 9:08 Monday 14th November, 2005
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Out of curiosity, could a memory shortage *ever* cause a BSOD?
Low memory conditions can *theoretically* cause a BSOD, but, this is more a Win9x thing... What's more probable is that you're overheating your processor, or that increased memory use can be increasing the probability of using a bad memory section, but it's very hard to say without a minidump. As a suggestion, I'd run MemTest86[^]. Just burn the ISO into a CD and boot with it, it'll stress test your memory chips and list anything that is bad. My experience with it is that 50% of the BSODs are simply bad memory chips or mis-configured BIOSes. Sometimes, simply lowering the memory speed can make them work safely. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: MemTest86 Can't. :( The PC in question is my office PC and it doesn't even have a CD Drive. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Out of curiosity, could a memory shortage *ever* cause a BSOD?
Low memory conditions can *theoretically* cause a BSOD, but, this is more a Win9x thing... What's more probable is that you're overheating your processor, or that increased memory use can be increasing the probability of using a bad memory section, but it's very hard to say without a minidump. As a suggestion, I'd run MemTest86[^]. Just burn the ISO into a CD and boot with it, it'll stress test your memory chips and list anything that is bad. My experience with it is that 50% of the BSODs are simply bad memory chips or mis-configured BIOSes. Sometimes, simply lowering the memory speed can make them work safely. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: MemTest86 Can't. :( The PC in question is my office PC and it doesn't even have a CD Drive. Cheers, Vikram.
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Daniel Turini wrote: MemTest86 Can't. :( The PC in question is my office PC and it doesn't even have a CD Drive. Cheers, Vikram.
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Sorry, but a Firefox extension could *NEVER* cause a BSOD by itself. It's just user-mode code, and can't corrupt kernel memory or do something else that could cause a BSOD...
*never* is a pretty strong word, I would venture to say it is possible to write software that as a side effect causes a BSOD.
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*never* is a pretty strong word, I would venture to say it is possible to write software that as a side effect causes a BSOD.
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Could you please point me how to code something in userland that causes a BSOD? Besides bugs in privileged code or hardware problems, it's not possible for user code to induce a BSOD.
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Was that reply meant for me? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Could you please point me how to code something in userland that causes a BSOD? Besides bugs in privileged code or hardware problems, it's not possible for user code to induce a BSOD.
I was going to mention the bug that was sent around a few years ago that involved the using
printfwith control characters (backspaces) that caused Windows to crash. And this was a simple few-liner C/C++ application. However, the "besides bugs" caveat is quite wide - it covers pretty much all possible scenarios... One could easily argue that all crashes are due to bugs in privileged code. :) Peace! -=- James
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It was, purely because you mentioned Firefox and crashing in the same sentence - that SessionSaver plugin has saved me a load of grief in the past from FF crashes, so I thought I'd mention it. Cheers, Paul
Indeed, it is a brilliant extension :) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I was going to mention the bug that was sent around a few years ago that involved the using
printfwith control characters (backspaces) that caused Windows to crash. And this was a simple few-liner C/C++ application. However, the "besides bugs" caveat is quite wide - it covers pretty much all possible scenarios... One could easily argue that all crashes are due to bugs in privileged code. :) Peace! -=- James
If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
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DeleteFXPFiles & CheckFavorites (Please rate this post!)James R. Twine wrote: I was going to mention the bug that was sent around a few years ago that involved the using printf with control characters (backspaces) that caused Windows to crash. And this was a simple few-liner C/C++ application. Any idea where I can get the code? :) Cheers, Vikram.
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James R. Twine wrote: I was going to mention the bug that was sent around a few years ago that involved the using printf with control characters (backspaces) that caused Windows to crash. And this was a simple few-liner C/C++ application. Any idea where I can get the code? :) Cheers, Vikram.
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Google up "CSRSS Backspace bug" for more info. An example that would crash NT4 and (some?) Win2K systems is/was:
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int iArgC, char *pArgV[] )
{
while( true )
{
for( int iLoop = 0; iLoop < 5; iLoop++ )
{
printf( "\t\t\b\b\b" );
}
}
return( 0 );
}Peace! -=- James
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Sorry, but a Firefox extension could *NEVER* cause a BSOD by itself. It's just user-mode code, and can't corrupt kernel memory or do something else that could cause a BSOD...
No, but this could BSOD on Windows 2000: printf("CrashMe\t\t\b\b\b\b\b\b");
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James R. Twine wrote: I was going to mention the bug that was sent around a few years ago that involved the using printf with control characters (backspaces) that caused Windows to crash. And this was a simple few-liner C/C++ application. Any idea where I can get the code? :) Cheers, Vikram.
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printf("CrashMe\t\t\b\b\b\b\b\b");
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Could you please point me how to code something in userland that causes a BSOD? Besides bugs in privileged code or hardware problems, it's not possible for user code to induce a BSOD.