Free speech is an important right, but, ...
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Christian Graus wrote:
Only religion, right ?
You seemed to suggest that I only classified people according to religion. And, yes, I know what a Muslim is. Everyone does.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
You seemed to suggest that I only classified people according to religion.
You did classify people by religion. Obviously you made other generalisations as well, I just thought I'd point that one out. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Christian Graus wrote:
Only religion, right ?
You seemed to suggest that I only classified people according to religion. And, yes, I know what a Muslim is. Everyone does.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, yes, I know what a Muslim is. Everyone does.
I don't. Please enlighten me. I would love to hear your opinion of what a Muslim is.
Josh Gray wrote:
I don't. Please enlighten me. I would love to hear your opinion of what a Muslim is.
Are you really interested in my opinion? I seriously doubt it after the way you bashed me in the thread about the European Union.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Josh Gray wrote:
I don't. Please enlighten me. I would love to hear your opinion of what a Muslim is.
Are you really interested in my opinion? I seriously doubt it after the way you bashed me in the thread about the European Union.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Are you really interested in my opinion? I seriously doubt it after the way you bashed me in the thread about the European Union.
Yes I am but that doesnt mean that i will agree with you. I am interested to see what an American teenager has been taught. Dont take things too personally.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
You seemed to suggest that I only classified people according to religion.
You did classify people by religion. Obviously you made other generalisations as well, I just thought I'd point that one out. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
You are correct. I feel that way toward muslims because their bible tells them to kill people of other religions. Here are a few verses from the Koran. Sura 9:5
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura 9:123
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Sura 4:101
When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Contact Prayers (Salat), if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.
This[^] Is an excellent article about the Koran.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I trust the people to determine what represents socially acceptable speech and what doesn't. In the US, at least, the first amendment was never considered by those who wrote it to provide for absolute freedoms. It was assumed that local communities would continue, as they had always done, to be the final arbiters of what sort of speech was appropriate.
You have a good point. The first ammendment says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The 10th ammendment says:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people
So, since it is not up to Congress what constitutes as acceptable speech, it must be up to the states and the people.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Are you really interested in my opinion? I seriously doubt it after the way you bashed me in the thread about the European Union.
Yes I am but that doesnt mean that i will agree with you. I am interested to see what an American teenager has been taught. Dont take things too personally.
It is not what I have been taught. I am actually homeschooled, and have gotten my views on my own. The way I see muslims is they are not a religion of peace, and the terrorists are the ones who truly follow the teachings of Mohammad. The peaceful muslims are the more liberal ones who don't follow Mohammad's teachings. The Koran clearly tells you to kill unbelievers. I know you will want me to back that up, so Here[^] is a site where the verses I am talking about are shown. I view Islam as a militant religion. That may not be the political correct multicultural kind of view that alot of people have, but it is what I believe.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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I understand you all are saying. It just seems weird that there is an "American Nazi Party", considering what Nazi Germany did to the Jews during WWII.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
And they bombed London, killing thousands, they killed 3 million Polacks, the total fatalities for the war was over 50 million. Plus don't forget the Japanese - luckily for us all their websites are indefierable but they might start up a Tojo fan club, and we would have to through them all in jail for that.
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You are correct. I feel that way toward muslims because their bible tells them to kill people of other religions. Here are a few verses from the Koran. Sura 9:5
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura 9:123
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Sura 4:101
When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Contact Prayers (Salat), if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.
This[^] Is an excellent article about the Koran.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I feel that way toward muslims because their bible tells them to kill people of other religions.
Well, apparently. I'm a Christian, FWIW, but I can find Old Testament verses that taken in isolation would infer exactly what these verses seem to imply. However, I had the chance to talk to a Muslim recently about his beliefs, and I would have to say it's the most untenable religion I've ever heard of. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I feel that way toward muslims because their bible tells them to kill people of other religions.
Well, apparently. I'm a Christian, FWIW, but I can find Old Testament verses that taken in isolation would infer exactly what these verses seem to imply. However, I had the chance to talk to a Muslim recently about his beliefs, and I would have to say it's the most untenable religion I've ever heard of. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, apparently. I'm a Christian, FWIW, but I can find Old Testament verses that taken in isolation would infer exactly what these verses seem to imply.
Well, yes, like when the Israelites were to kill the Cannanites when they entered the promised land. But, you don't see Christians strapping on bombs and blowing up people in the name of God.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I feel that way toward muslims because their bible tells them to kill people of other religions.
Well, apparently. I'm a Christian, FWIW, but I can find Old Testament verses that taken in isolation would infer exactly what these verses seem to imply. However, I had the chance to talk to a Muslim recently about his beliefs, and I would have to say it's the most untenable religion I've ever heard of. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
But, you don't see Christians strapping on bombs and blowing up people in the name of God.
No, not often. I'd suggest the core difference is that we're talking about people who often don't have the standard of living that we do, to put it politely, which makes them more succeptable to this sort of thing. I'm not suggesting anything other than making those sort of generalisations probably does not help anyone. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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It is not what I have been taught. I am actually homeschooled, and have gotten my views on my own. The way I see muslims is they are not a religion of peace, and the terrorists are the ones who truly follow the teachings of Mohammad. The peaceful muslims are the more liberal ones who don't follow Mohammad's teachings. The Koran clearly tells you to kill unbelievers. I know you will want me to back that up, so Here[^] is a site where the verses I am talking about are shown. I view Islam as a militant religion. That may not be the political correct multicultural kind of view that alot of people have, but it is what I believe.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
It is not what I have been taught. I am actually homeschooled
Does home schooling not involve teaching? :)
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
and have gotten my views on my own.
So what are your views based on? Do you know any Muslim people or is it just what you get from TV? I appreciate you giving me the link but it is not a great example for your point. The reason being that it is obviously written by a Muslim hater. There is nothing there to back up what is said. I am not familiar with the Koran so there is no way for me to know if that is true or not. An example written by a Muslim would be much better for your argument. Your link even gives multiple translations of the same passages with very ambiguous meanings. My question was 'what is a Muslim'. I guess you are saying that a Muslim is someone who follows all the teachings of Muhammad and therefore wants to kill nonbelievers and therefore is a terrorist. You yourself have said that you would be happy if all terrorists were killed. Therefore you want all (real) Muslims killed. You say that Islam is not a religion of peace. Do you really think Christianity is? Have you seen the movie 'Saved'?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, apparently. I'm a Christian, FWIW, but I can find Old Testament verses that taken in isolation would infer exactly what these verses seem to imply.
Well, yes, like when the Israelites were to kill the Cannanites when they entered the promised land. But, you don't see Christians strapping on bombs and blowing up people in the name of God.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Christians strapping on bombs and blowing up people in the name of God.
Nope, just blowing up places in Ireland a while back, shooting a few people here and there in the USA, or raping women on native american land. Blowing up a building in Oklahoma, a doctors office here or or there, maybe a black church or three here or or there. Providing an exception for what you choose NOT to see, does not make it go away. Crime exists everywhere and in every group. You can choose to see it, or ignore it. Most people choose to ignore it as long is it could anyway relate to themselves. There is that fear, if joe normal down the street decided to shoot up a school, perhaps someone else I know would. So we forget. We forget the violence that makes news every single day every single state and pick any group other than ourselves to blame it on. Now you truly understand that group you pointed out. Rather than look at problems generally, they pick a group of their own and exempt them. "we're all innocent, they are all guilty" and blame all the problems of the world on that group. It's an easy way out, it feels great to relax and make believe that if we just kill everyone in that "other" group all the problems will go away. Except it has been tried a hundred or more times in a 10,000 years and it never has made the problems go away. But we still try it anyway. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
It is not what I have been taught. I am actually homeschooled
Does home schooling not involve teaching? :)
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
and have gotten my views on my own.
So what are your views based on? Do you know any Muslim people or is it just what you get from TV? I appreciate you giving me the link but it is not a great example for your point. The reason being that it is obviously written by a Muslim hater. There is nothing there to back up what is said. I am not familiar with the Koran so there is no way for me to know if that is true or not. An example written by a Muslim would be much better for your argument. Your link even gives multiple translations of the same passages with very ambiguous meanings. My question was 'what is a Muslim'. I guess you are saying that a Muslim is someone who follows all the teachings of Muhammad and therefore wants to kill nonbelievers and therefore is a terrorist. You yourself have said that you would be happy if all terrorists were killed. Therefore you want all (real) Muslims killed. You say that Islam is not a religion of peace. Do you really think Christianity is? Have you seen the movie 'Saved'?
Josh Gray wrote:
Does home schooling not involve teaching?
Well, not about politics.
Josh Gray wrote:
So what are your views based on? Do you know any Muslim people or is it just what you get from TV?
I don't really watch TV. I read the news, and read on the internet.
Josh Gray wrote:
I appreciate you giving me the link but it is not a great example for your point. The reason being that it is obviously written by a Muslim hater. There is nothing there to back up what is said. I am not familiar with the Koran so there is no way for me to know if that is true or not. An example written by a Muslim would be much better for your argument. Your link even gives multiple translations of the same passages with very ambiguous meanings.
You have a point about the link, but it did show some verses that I thought were very clear in telling you to kill infadels.
Josh Gray wrote:
My question was 'what is a Muslim'. I guess you are saying that a Muslim is someone who follows all the teachings of Muhammad and therefore wants to kill nonbelievers and therefore is a terrorist. You yourself have said that you would be happy if all terrorists were killed. Therefore you want all (real) Muslims killed.
I think that any terrorist, regardless of their religion should be killed. I also know that the Koran commands you to kill unbelievers, and motivates many people to be terrorists. I did not say that all muslims should be killed, just the fundamentalist terrorists who do things like fly planes into buildings, and make bombs to blow up civilians for no reason.
Josh Gray wrote:
You say that Islam is not a religion of peace. Do you really think Christianity is?
No, I don't. Peace is not always the answer. Christianity does not promote the killing of others on the basis of religion though.
Josh Gray wrote:
Have you seen the movie 'Saved'?
No
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Josh Gray wrote:
Does home schooling not involve teaching?
Well, not about politics.
Josh Gray wrote:
So what are your views based on? Do you know any Muslim people or is it just what you get from TV?
I don't really watch TV. I read the news, and read on the internet.
Josh Gray wrote:
I appreciate you giving me the link but it is not a great example for your point. The reason being that it is obviously written by a Muslim hater. There is nothing there to back up what is said. I am not familiar with the Koran so there is no way for me to know if that is true or not. An example written by a Muslim would be much better for your argument. Your link even gives multiple translations of the same passages with very ambiguous meanings.
You have a point about the link, but it did show some verses that I thought were very clear in telling you to kill infadels.
Josh Gray wrote:
My question was 'what is a Muslim'. I guess you are saying that a Muslim is someone who follows all the teachings of Muhammad and therefore wants to kill nonbelievers and therefore is a terrorist. You yourself have said that you would be happy if all terrorists were killed. Therefore you want all (real) Muslims killed.
I think that any terrorist, regardless of their religion should be killed. I also know that the Koran commands you to kill unbelievers, and motivates many people to be terrorists. I did not say that all muslims should be killed, just the fundamentalist terrorists who do things like fly planes into buildings, and make bombs to blow up civilians for no reason.
Josh Gray wrote:
You say that Islam is not a religion of peace. Do you really think Christianity is?
No, I don't. Peace is not always the answer. Christianity does not promote the killing of others on the basis of religion though.
Josh Gray wrote:
Have you seen the movie 'Saved'?
No
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Well, not about politics.
Why not? Is that not part of a rounded education? Why would you want to be home schooled? How will you ever get laid? Who teaches you and what do they teach?
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I think that any terrorist, regardless of their religion should be killed. I also know that the Koran commands you to kill unbelievers, and motivates many people to be terrorists. I did not say that all muslims should be killed, just the fundamentalist terrorists who do things like fly planes into buildings, and make bombs to blow up civilians for no reason.
Then you can understand how a poorly educated Iraqi man who's family has been killed by American soldiers would see them as terrorists and want to kill them?
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Well, not about politics.
Why not? Is that not part of a rounded education? Why would you want to be home schooled? How will you ever get laid? Who teaches you and what do they teach?
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I think that any terrorist, regardless of their religion should be killed. I also know that the Koran commands you to kill unbelievers, and motivates many people to be terrorists. I did not say that all muslims should be killed, just the fundamentalist terrorists who do things like fly planes into buildings, and make bombs to blow up civilians for no reason.
Then you can understand how a poorly educated Iraqi man who's family has been killed by American soldiers would see them as terrorists and want to kill them?
Josh Gray wrote:
Why not? Is that not part of a rounded education? Why would you want to be home schooled? How will you ever get laid? Who teaches you and what do they teach?
I do my schoolwork on my own on the computer. You answer the questions on there, and it grades your work for you. What I meant by that was that I don't get the political slant of alot of teachers at school. I have been in public school here before, and some of the teachers did try to spread around their political beliefs.
Josh Gray wrote:
Then you can understand how a poorly educated Iraqi man who's family has been killed by American soldiers would see them as terrorists and want to kill them?
I guess I can understand that. I do think we mistaken to be occupying Iraq. By staying, we are creating a resistance movement there similar to the Viet Cong. If we do not pull out, it is possible that it will turn into another long, costly, pointless war like Vietnam, or the Russians' war in Chechnya.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Josh Gray wrote:
Why not? Is that not part of a rounded education? Why would you want to be home schooled? How will you ever get laid? Who teaches you and what do they teach?
I do my schoolwork on my own on the computer. You answer the questions on there, and it grades your work for you. What I meant by that was that I don't get the political slant of alot of teachers at school. I have been in public school here before, and some of the teachers did try to spread around their political beliefs.
Josh Gray wrote:
Then you can understand how a poorly educated Iraqi man who's family has been killed by American soldiers would see them as terrorists and want to kill them?
I guess I can understand that. I do think we mistaken to be occupying Iraq. By staying, we are creating a resistance movement there similar to the Viet Cong. If we do not pull out, it is possible that it will turn into another long, costly, pointless war like Vietnam, or the Russians' war in Chechnya.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I do my schoolwork on my own on the computer. You answer the questions on there, and it grades your work for you. What I meant by that was that I don't get the political slant of alot of teachers at school. I have been in public school here before, and some of the teachers did try to spread around their political beliefs.
Dont you miss the social part of going to school? Why did your parents choose to make you do that? Do you think it will cause problems for you in the future? For example if I was an employer and had to choose between two similar people who had just finished school and one was homed schooled I would probably pick the one who was not home schooled.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I guess I can understand that. I do think we mistaken to be occupying Iraq. By staying, we are creating a resistance movement there similar to the Viet Cong. If we do not pull out, it is possible that it will turn into another long, costly, pointless war like Vietnam, or the Russians' war in Chechnya.
Well its too late now. You are in a no win situation. If you walk away people will say that the US abandoned Iraq after you bommed all their infustructure. What do you think of the majority of your fellow Americans that voted for Bush in his second term when he clearly broke the law to get his first term?
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I do my schoolwork on my own on the computer. You answer the questions on there, and it grades your work for you. What I meant by that was that I don't get the political slant of alot of teachers at school. I have been in public school here before, and some of the teachers did try to spread around their political beliefs.
Dont you miss the social part of going to school? Why did your parents choose to make you do that? Do you think it will cause problems for you in the future? For example if I was an employer and had to choose between two similar people who had just finished school and one was homed schooled I would probably pick the one who was not home schooled.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I guess I can understand that. I do think we mistaken to be occupying Iraq. By staying, we are creating a resistance movement there similar to the Viet Cong. If we do not pull out, it is possible that it will turn into another long, costly, pointless war like Vietnam, or the Russians' war in Chechnya.
Well its too late now. You are in a no win situation. If you walk away people will say that the US abandoned Iraq after you bommed all their infustructure. What do you think of the majority of your fellow Americans that voted for Bush in his second term when he clearly broke the law to get his first term?
Josh Gray wrote:
Dont you miss the social part of going to school? Why did your parents choose to make you do that? Do you think it will cause problems for you in the future? For example if I was an employer and had to choose between two similar people who had just finished school and one was homed schooled I would probably pick the one who was not home schooled.
I chose home schooling. My parents did not make me do it. It seems best for me because I am not a social type of person.
Josh Gray wrote:
Well its too late now. You are in a no win situation. If you walk away people will say that the US abandoned Iraq after you bommed all their infustructure.
You are right.
Josh Gray wrote:
What do you think of the majority of your fellow Americans that voted for Bush in his second term when he clearly broke the law to get his first term?
I think that they voted for him because John Kerry was an idiot. Nobody wants a president that has several different positions for each issue. But, Bush has one position, and it is bad, so it is a matter of the lesser of two evils. Perhaps Kerry would have been a better president because he would probably not do much of anything, as opposed to Bush who is busy getting us engaged in stupid pointless wars, and making more and more of the world turn against America.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Inteelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray