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    We aren't going to let any mace stop us. We are masters in our nonviolent movement in disarming police forces; they don't know what to do. I've seen them so often. I remember in Birmingham, Alabama, when we were in that majestic struggle there, we would move out of the 16th Street Baptist Church day after day; by the hundreds we would move out. And Bull Connor would tell them to send the dogs forth, and they did come; but we just went before the dogs singing, "Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around." Bull Connor next would say, "Turn the fire hoses on." And as I said to you the other night, Bull Connor didn't know history. He knew a kind of physics that somehow didn't relate to the transphysics that we knew about. And that was the fact that there was a certain kind of fire that no water could put out. And we went before the fire hoses; we had known water. If we were Baptist or some other denominations, we had been immersed. If we were Methodist, and some others, we had been sprinkled, but we knew water. That couldn't stop us. And we just went on before the dogs and we would look at them; and we'd go on before the water hoses and we would look at it, and we'd just go on singing "Over my head I see freedom in the air." And then we would be thrown in the paddy wagons, and sometimes we were stacked in there like sardines in a can. And they would throw us in, and old Bull would say, "Take 'em off," and they did; and we would just go in the paddy wagon singing, "We Shall Overcome." And every now and then we'd get in jail, and we'd see the jailers looking through the windows being moved by our prayers, and being moved by our words and our songs. And there was a power there which Bull Connor couldn't adjust to; and so we ended up transforming Bull into a steer, and we won our struggle in Birmingham. Now we've got to go on to Memphis just like that. I call upon you to be with us Monday. Now about injunctions: We have an injunction and we're going into court tomorrow morning to fight this illegal, unconstitutional injunction. All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper." If I lived in China or even Russia, or any totalitarian country, maybe I could understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges, because they hadn't committed themselves to that over there. But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of the press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right. And so just as

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      We aren't going to let any mace stop us. We are masters in our nonviolent movement in disarming police forces; they don't know what to do. I've seen them so often. I remember in Birmingham, Alabama, when we were in that majestic struggle there, we would move out of the 16th Street Baptist Church day after day; by the hundreds we would move out. And Bull Connor would tell them to send the dogs forth, and they did come; but we just went before the dogs singing, "Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around." Bull Connor next would say, "Turn the fire hoses on." And as I said to you the other night, Bull Connor didn't know history. He knew a kind of physics that somehow didn't relate to the transphysics that we knew about. And that was the fact that there was a certain kind of fire that no water could put out. And we went before the fire hoses; we had known water. If we were Baptist or some other denominations, we had been immersed. If we were Methodist, and some others, we had been sprinkled, but we knew water. That couldn't stop us. And we just went on before the dogs and we would look at them; and we'd go on before the water hoses and we would look at it, and we'd just go on singing "Over my head I see freedom in the air." And then we would be thrown in the paddy wagons, and sometimes we were stacked in there like sardines in a can. And they would throw us in, and old Bull would say, "Take 'em off," and they did; and we would just go in the paddy wagon singing, "We Shall Overcome." And every now and then we'd get in jail, and we'd see the jailers looking through the windows being moved by our prayers, and being moved by our words and our songs. And there was a power there which Bull Connor couldn't adjust to; and so we ended up transforming Bull into a steer, and we won our struggle in Birmingham. Now we've got to go on to Memphis just like that. I call upon you to be with us Monday. Now about injunctions: We have an injunction and we're going into court tomorrow morning to fight this illegal, unconstitutional injunction. All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper." If I lived in China or even Russia, or any totalitarian country, maybe I could understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges, because they hadn't committed themselves to that over there. But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of the press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right. And so just as

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      Marc Clifton
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      joshfl wrote:

      "Truth needs no laws to support it.

      "But what IS truth? Not easy to define! We both have truths! Are yours the same as mine?" - Pontious Pilate, Jesus Christ Superstar Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!

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        joshfl wrote:

        "Truth needs no laws to support it.

        "But what IS truth? Not easy to define! We both have truths! Are yours the same as mine?" - Pontious Pilate, Jesus Christ Superstar Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!

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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        "But what IS truth?

        It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If 'is' means 'is and never has been' that's one thing - if it means 'there is none', that was a completely true statement. - Bill Clinton, Grand Jury Testimony ;P P.S. I did not have sexual relations with that woman... I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana -- modified at 0:25 Tuesday 22nd November, 2005

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          Marc Clifton wrote:

          "But what IS truth?

          It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If 'is' means 'is and never has been' that's one thing - if it means 'there is none', that was a completely true statement. - Bill Clinton, Grand Jury Testimony ;P P.S. I did not have sexual relations with that woman... I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana -- modified at 0:25 Tuesday 22nd November, 2005

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          joshfl wrote:

          P.S. I did not have sexual relations with that woman...

          I've seen her picture, good choice Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!

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            joshfl wrote:

            "Truth needs no laws to support it.

            "But what IS truth? Not easy to define! We both have truths! Are yours the same as mine?" - Pontious Pilate, Jesus Christ Superstar Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!

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            bugDanny
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            Marc Clifton wrote:

            "But what IS truth? Not easy to define! We both have truths! Are yours the same as mine?" - Pontious Pilate, Jesus Christ Superstar

            First of all, your quote is a twisting of what was actually written in the Bible. Jesus had told Pilate "You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I sould bear witness to the truth. Everyone that is on the side of the truth listens to my voice." Pilate responded simply, "What is truth?" - John 18: 37, 38 Jesus didn't answer probably because Pilate was really not looking for an answer to that question. But Jesus did say in a prayer to God earlier in the book of John: "Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth." - John 17:17 So if you're really looking for an answer to that question, 'truth' is God's word. (I don't know how this applies to the original post. I didn't read that long message.) Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!

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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              "But what IS truth? Not easy to define! We both have truths! Are yours the same as mine?" - Pontious Pilate, Jesus Christ Superstar

              First of all, your quote is a twisting of what was actually written in the Bible. Jesus had told Pilate "You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I sould bear witness to the truth. Everyone that is on the side of the truth listens to my voice." Pilate responded simply, "What is truth?" - John 18: 37, 38 Jesus didn't answer probably because Pilate was really not looking for an answer to that question. But Jesus did say in a prayer to God earlier in the book of John: "Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth." - John 17:17 So if you're really looking for an answer to that question, 'truth' is God's word. (I don't know how this applies to the original post. I didn't read that long message.) Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!

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              bugDanny wrote:

              First of all, your quote is a twisting of what was actually written in the Bible.

              Um, duh. :) You will note that I am quoting the play/movie JCS, not the Bible.

              bugDanny wrote:

              So if you're really looking for an answer to that question, 'truth' is God's word.

              While I am happy to accept such a concept, I am not happy to accept the idea that God's word has to be given to us by priests, popes, and Muslim clerics. In that regard, I consider myself a gnostic Christian, as I feel I am quite capable of knowing the word of God directly myself. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!

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