Islamists demand Bangladeshi women wear veil
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May I know your country of origin? I assume you are a US citizen now - but I'd like to know if your parents (or their parents) come from a strictly Islamic country. Because I find it hard to believe that a North American would have some of the slightly extreme views you've expressed in the last few posts. [edit]This question is out of curiosity than out of any offensive intent[/edit]
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
May I know your country of origin?
Suffice it to say that several generations back I come from regions of the world that would be considered secular. Life here made it such that I had to decide wheather I believed in Islam or not; and in Islam a strong belief comes from knowledge I had to go around learning what it is. The benefit though of learning Islam here is that I was freed from alot of the culture norms that is attributed to the religion by alot of people.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Because I find it hard to believe that a North American would have some of the slightly extreme views you've expressed in the last few posts.
I am not sure which extreme views you are refering to but the vast majority Muslims[I am sure you can find a few exceptions] in the world realize the hijab is a religious obligation. As for origin, I have friends who can trace there origins back a couple of hundred years that will tell you the same thing; it has nothing to do with origin.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
[edit]This question is out of curiosity than out of any offensive intent[/edit]
None taken. :)
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to.
While you are right about the muslim women in non-islamic countries, for women who live in a theocracy like iran, wearing a burka is the obvious choice, considering that the other option is being punished publically.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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A.A. wrote:
Before you advocate sending your military on adventures that will be rejected by 'helpless women', you should prioritize and help those women oppressed by the caste system in many parts of India.
It has and still is being addressed in a big way. In more than 2 decades of living in India, I've never seen a lower-caste woman ill-treated in public (hard to tell what happens inside private households). So things are looking good. Evils like the caste system, purdah/burkah system etc should be banished. Not just in India, but everywhere!
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It has and still is being addressed in a big way. In more than 2 decades of living in India, I've never seen a lower-caste woman ill-treated in public (hard to tell what happens inside private households). So things are looking good.
According to what I read and documentries I've seen it is a real problem currently affecting hundreds of millions.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
purdah/burkah system etc should be banished. Not just in India, but everywhere!
I am not sure what you mean by system, but if you are talking about the hijab it isn't going anywhere. Muslim women in many parts of the world have shown even if they are barred from education, thrown out of jobs, etc they will keep to their principles.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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And I'm waiting for you to extrapolate this to say that Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A why do you waste time to respond a person who dont even know a bit about his own religion?..replying to him is wastage of time,..like convincing a mentally retard person that earth is NOT flat:laugh: MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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A.A. wrote:
Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
Nishant,my family women dont wear scarf cos they didn`t opt to,you live in Toronto,i wonder how many covered headed women have u seen over there MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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I demand reasons to argue with him..give me some MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
I wonder how many of them visit soapbox on CP
It's hard to type on a keyboard if 3/4th of your face is masked ;P
Masking is optional This[^],is enough to meet requirments of Hijab,I wonder where the face is vield? since when ppl type from Mouth :laugh: MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to.
Admittedly, I don't know as many Muslim women as you might, but I have known quite a few Muslim women (online) who have told me that they had married US-working men and moved abroad to avoid having to live in a strict society. Farhan, I am not attacking your religion, I am an atheist and I don't particularly think much of any of the existing world religions, but I strongly feel about women having to cover their faces with veils. Last month, we saw a young girl (maybe 16 or 17) who got into a bus with her mother and both of them were fully covered in a black material (I think that you call it the Purdah-Burkha, not sure) - and to be honest, it was a scary sight!
Burqah is not amongh muslims only anyway..and I wonder why covering face is scary for yo?cos you can`t see their faces. A woman who cover herself would be more secure,will be lesser chance to get harrased then a woman who`s exposing herbody..fair enough..it happens and its the fact MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to.
While you are right about the muslim women in non-islamic countries, for women who live in a theocracy like iran, wearing a burka is the obvious choice, considering that the other option is being punished publically.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Its wrong again..yet another ignorant statment,IRanis are only forced to wear HIjab..not covering face(Niqab)..i know several iranis,their wives,sisters etc dont viel the faces. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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A.A. wrote:
Before you advocate sending your military on adventures that will be rejected by 'helpless women', you should prioritize and help those women oppressed by the caste system in many parts of India.
It has and still is being addressed in a big way. In more than 2 decades of living in India, I've never seen a lower-caste woman ill-treated in public (hard to tell what happens inside private households). So things are looking good. Evils like the caste system, purdah/burkah system etc should be banished. Not just in India, but everywhere!
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It has and still is being addressed in a big way. In more than 2 decades of living in India, I've never seen a lower-caste woman ill-treated in public (hard to tell what happens inside private households). So things are looking good.
have u been really going thru,whats happening in India??think again:) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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expectng another GangRape of Kgaddy:laugh: MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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I'm waiting for Adnan Siddiqi to say the US does the same thing by "making" nuns wear a headdress.
kgaddy i have recently taken u on other thread,i dont screw one woman twice in such a short span of time MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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I'm waiting for Adnan Siddiqi to say the US does the same thing by "making" nuns wear a headdress.
So[^] 13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, 14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: 16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; 17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; Answe this first;) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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I'm waiting for Adnan Siddiqi to say the US does the same thing by "making" nuns wear a headdress.
Actually Kdaddy is a male slut..he follows following verses of Duet[^] and checks virginity of her daugther by using Tokens :laugh: 13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, 14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: 16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; 17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; :laugh: MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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I demand reasons to argue with him..give me some MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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kgaddy wrote:
I'm sure in free countries, like the US, Britian, Turkey, that women do wear it out of conviction only.
Not necessary. I believe that even in the US, UK etc. there are Muslim women who have to wear it even if they don't really want to.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Not necessary. I believe that even in the US, UK etc. there are Muslim women who have to wear it even if they don't really want to.
NIsh,i have seen women in India who wear saris,i ve seen thousands of people in life who wear and i believe there forced to wear clothes ,otherwise they wanted to be naked all the time. could you explain how why those women wear sarees and why ppl wear clothes?are they forced to wear anything? Thanks MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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If you are going to argue successfully, don't fall into the strawman trap. It may work against your opponent, as they are likely to be emotional. For the observers however, the strawman will not look too impressive. Since A.A.'s remark was clearly an ad hominem attack (unfounded or not), you should've defended yourself by saying "why are you attacking me, instead of my arguments?". Then you would definately have "won points" in the eyes of the observers, and you would also have made the opponent aware of his mistake, which gives you a psychological advantage. :) -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
some ppl never learns,kgaddy is one of them..amongn many ppl here,he`s ignored and his remarks are not credible due to promoting haterd amongh cultures and religions MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Burqah is not amongh muslims only anyway..and I wonder why covering face is scary for yo?cos you can`t see their faces. A woman who cover herself would be more secure,will be lesser chance to get harrased then a woman who`s exposing herbody..fair enough..it happens and its the fact MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A woman who cover herself would be more secure,will be lesser chance to get harrased then a woman who`s exposing herbody..fair enough..it happens and its the fact
That indicates that there is a problem with men, right? So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease. -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
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A.A. wrote:
Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
again,care to backup with some proof?:),majority pf pakitani women dont wear burqah or scarf,while on other side,indian muslim wear it...so..what the point here? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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The real test will be how the Bangladesh government responds to these ultimatums. Posting additional security guards only, seems a bit defeatist. If theses pieces of human flotsam are threatening the lives of private citizens then immediate action should be taken. Round up every one of the jackasses that you know about; go on the offensive and not wait for them murder somebody. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
care to refuse? anyone? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
