How logo can you go??? Round II...
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code-frog wrote:
Linux - Linus Torvalds and Unix. They picked a penguin. Hmmmm...
They're good at programming (some may question even this), not at marketing :-D
code-frog wrote:
Admittedly it's household now but at the time Micro and Soft were pretty disjoint.
I was a kid when they started and recall it clearly, I always thought it was "Software" for "Microcomputers"
code-frog wrote:
Oracle - Reference Oracle and tell me what that has to do with databases?
An oracle knows all.
code-frog wrote:
Aside from that I think the name doesn't make you, you make the name.
I agree. I only pointed it because in Brazil, a frog is often a symbol for something ugly, stupid and lazy (it just sits there the whole day). "Ugly as a frog", "Stupid as a frog", and "Lazy as a frog" are commonplace here. Maybe it's one of those cultural differences, and, in other countries that image is not the same. I wish you luck, though, I know how hard you work and you deserve success in your venture. Just don't forget, when your multi-million company starts spreading throughout the world, that a frog may project other images :-D From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
Daniel Turini wrote:
I only pointed it because in Brazil, a frog is often a symbol for something ugly, stupid and lazy
You can go endlessly with animal representation in different cultures and if you have to please everyone, you'll never get an animal as a logo. In some cultures the bat is associated with good luck, in others fear and disease. IN some cultures the frog is associated with good luck, in others as you said.... Coyote and the spider are associated with decept, laziness and manipulation... A bear can be both strength and resolve, but also laziness or extreme violence... Anyhow you can go on and on, and if your logo has to mean something good in every culture in every country everywhere on the earth. Every logo would have problems .... _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Daniel Turini wrote:
I only pointed it because in Brazil, a frog is often a symbol for something ugly, stupid and lazy
You can go endlessly with animal representation in different cultures and if you have to please everyone, you'll never get an animal as a logo. In some cultures the bat is associated with good luck, in others fear and disease. IN some cultures the frog is associated with good luck, in others as you said.... Coyote and the spider are associated with decept, laziness and manipulation... A bear can be both strength and resolve, but also laziness or extreme violence... Anyhow you can go on and on, and if your logo has to mean something good in every culture in every country everywhere on the earth. Every logo would have problems .... _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
You can go endlessly with animal representation in different cultures and if you have to please everyone, you'll never get an animal as a logo.
I pointed that because, in Brazil, where I live, frogs have this image. Only by reading his answer, I noticed that it was not an universal thing. From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
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Matt Newman wrote:
I believe the Chevy Nova was renamed in mexico because it translated roughly to the Chevy won't go. Not 100% sure about it, heard it several times before.
one of the best known urban legends that even has been put in marketing text books and taught at universities... but has no reality to its history. http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp[^] I love puns, so I do use the no va as a pun, but I know it also was an urban legend. :) I like it as much as the Found On Road Dead which was my Grandfather's favorite joke. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Matt Newman wrote:
I believe the Chevy Nova was renamed in mexico because it translated roughly to the Chevy won't go.
Although, 30 years later, Citröen Picasso was released here with its name untouched ("Picasso" means something like "Impressive Penis"). Maybe because nowadays people don't care too much about those stupidities or because the artist is well known. From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
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Matt Newman wrote:
I believe the Chevy Nova was renamed in mexico because it translated roughly to the Chevy won't go. Not 100% sure about it, heard it several times before.
one of the best known urban legends that even has been put in marketing text books and taught at universities... but has no reality to its history. http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp[^] I love puns, so I do use the no va as a pun, but I know it also was an urban legend. :) I like it as much as the Found On Road Dead which was my Grandfather's favorite joke. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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code-frog wrote:
I agree with you on the cultural difference but as businesses and countries become international that way of thinking needs to be bi-directional. People in Brazil just need to realize, "Stupid Americans, don't they know what that means." Then they'll go on to say, "Well, he may not know that but he's damned good with this other stuff. Let's do business."
And you can always rename it. You see, the Ford Pinto here was renamed to Ford Corcel, because "Pinto" here is something like "Dick" in English. Needless to say, those were the 70's, when men bought cars, and not too much of them wanted to sit on a "Pinto" :-D From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
Ford forgot to change the name of the Ford Probe over here (in the UK) To an American, "Probe" brings up images of space exploration and adventure to a Brit, they think of a Gynecological exam :doh: -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
You can go endlessly with animal representation in different cultures and if you have to please everyone, you'll never get an animal as a logo.
I pointed that because, in Brazil, where I live, frogs have this image. Only by reading his answer, I noticed that it was not an universal thing. From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
To brits, Frog is a slang term for somebody who's french -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
You can go endlessly with animal representation in different cultures and if you have to please everyone, you'll never get an animal as a logo.
I pointed that because, in Brazil, where I live, frogs have this image. Only by reading his answer, I noticed that it was not an universal thing. From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
Daniel Turini wrote:
Only by reading his answer, I noticed that it was not an universal thing.
I am just surprised anyone still believes there is any universal constants.... It's kind of like Steve Irwin coming to the states, he loves reptiles and his respect for the rattlesnake was "admirable" and he did keep his wife back.... But as even he discovered, the diamond back rattlesnake is short tempered, unpredictable, just plain a nasty neighbor (I think he came within an inch or two of getting bit several times in the arm, leg and between the legs). :) I hear other locations have more predictable varieties of rattlesnake but the desert rattlesnake makes "grumpy" look "happy". :laugh: I still hear tourists say, don't worry, he won't bite you if you don't threaten him.... take your kid... back away slowly... until the rattling stops then choose any direction but his.... If you hear rattling, he's already threatened which basically means he "saw you." My point is we all have different environments, the animals behave differently, whether we grew up here for one generation or 10 or 1000, the effects of the environment change the view to a local only perspective all around the world. In the desert frogs are absolutely good luck. It means you have water nearby. Water is actually easier to find at night during the frog season than during the day. Follow the singing, its more reliable because of the mirages and atmospheric lenses during the daylight. :) and the deermouse, which carries hantavirus, had been a feared animal until someone else convinced the locals it was all superstition. :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Your internet presence is more like 35-ish.
I will have to show this to my son, who thinks I act really old :-D Darn. with beginning to revert to childhood at 40, I should be upper 20's by now. I will try harder? PS: There are more of us mature guys around then first impressions give. "Simplicity is more complicated than you think. But it’s well worth it” (Ron Jeffries)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Your internet presence is more like 35-ish.
I will have to show this to my son, who thinks I act really old :-D Darn. with beginning to revert to childhood at 40, I should be upper 20's by now. I will try harder? PS: There are more of us mature guys around then first impressions give. "Simplicity is more complicated than you think. But it’s well worth it” (Ron Jeffries)
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
I will have to show this to my son, who thinks I act really old
Typical parent/child relations I suppose. I used to think that of my mother, and she used to think I was acting really childishly. But I think we've met somewhere halfway by now. :)
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
Darn. with beginning to revert to childhood at 40, I should be upper 20's by now. I will try harder?
You will have to let go of reason, and let emotions take over. Then you'll be down to 27-28 in no time. (But don't overdo it, as you might end up a teenager! :-D)
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
PS: There are more of us mature guys around then first impressions give.
There's at least another youngster here that I know of: Roger Wright :) -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
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Matt Newman wrote:
I believe the Chevy Nova was renamed in mexico because it translated roughly to the Chevy won't go. Not 100% sure about it, heard it several times before.
one of the best known urban legends that even has been put in marketing text books and taught at universities... but has no reality to its history. http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp[^] I love puns, so I do use the no va as a pun, but I know it also was an urban legend. :) I like it as much as the Found On Road Dead which was my Grandfather's favorite joke. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Shoot - I loved that one :( I remember a Sociology class I took to fill out elective hours in college did a few days on cultural interpretations. The funniest was a Tide (laundry detergent) add in the Middle East. The add was a series of three pictures on a magazine page: - The leftmost picture was of a woman holding some dirty clothes above a washing machine. She had a disgusted look on her face - The middle picture was of her adding Tide to the washing machine - The rightmost picture was of her holding clean clothes above the washer. She had a very satisfied look on her face. Tide wondered why they weren't seeing any increased revenue or product takeup in the area - the ad campaign was a total bomb. Turns out, folks who read Arabic - which is always written right to left - tend to interpret sequences right to left as well, if possible. They interpreted the Tide ad as saying 'Tide makes clean clothes dirty'. I couldn't help but picture the shock and horror that must have been on the face of the ad guy who was responsible for the creation and distribution in that region... ;P
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
I will have to show this to my son, who thinks I act really old
Typical parent/child relations I suppose. I used to think that of my mother, and she used to think I was acting really childishly. But I think we've met somewhere halfway by now. :)
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
Darn. with beginning to revert to childhood at 40, I should be upper 20's by now. I will try harder?
You will have to let go of reason, and let emotions take over. Then you'll be down to 27-28 in no time. (But don't overdo it, as you might end up a teenager! :-D)
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
PS: There are more of us mature guys around then first impressions give.
There's at least another youngster here that I know of: Roger Wright :) -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
There's at least another youngster here that I know of: Roger Wright
Did you know that Roger and I spent time at the SAME hospital as little ones. It is amazing how small a world this is.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
and let emotions take over
I can promise you emotions were VERY high this morning. I guess the "Demons of Stupidity" drive it out of me during the day. X| "Simplicity is more complicated than you think. But it’s well worth it” (Ron Jeffries)
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This is the thing about organization of posts here. There's no way to bump a post back up and the replies don't notify everyone in the topic only the person you reply to. Hence me title with a play on "how low can I go" as I feel like this is semi-spam. So if you perceive it as spam I apologize *WAY* up-front. However you are my peers and quite honestly a very fine group of people who opinions I actually value pretty highly. (Read that as a compliment, I'm not always the best with wording.) So here is ROUND II. My wife suggested dumping the egg/rock and going for a wireframe and Jed also took a lot of the other feedback to heart so feel free to critique again. My first impressions are that I really like it. It stayed the same but it's subtley different to. Most importantly John Simmons suggestion was brought to life. I like it both ways. Be curious to see what he thinks and others who also agreed with him. I've gotten some interest emails from people wondering how expensive Jed is. I think his rates are incredibly good. I send any work I can his way because he's great to work with. If you want feel free to contact him directly with questions and just reference his work on my logo as a starting point. His email is jedREMOVEsplitREMOVE@hotmailREMOVE.com I think he'd be happy to answer questions and provide the same type of service if you are interested. Second Batch of Logo Artwork courtesy of Jed Split Graphics[^]
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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I can't actually notice any difference between 2 & 3, but if you go with 3 the one suggestion i would make is to make the globe a bit smaller so it doesn't go so far down behind the "ARC" letters. IMO the 'system architects' in solid colour looks better than the gradient effect. Using the globe as an 'O' is cool, but not consistent with the first O in CODE. just my 2 cents. Good luck!
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To brits, Frog is a slang term for somebody who's french -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
Maybe the "O" should be replaced with a beret hung on a wheel of cheese. :rolleyes: BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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This is the thing about organization of posts here. There's no way to bump a post back up and the replies don't notify everyone in the topic only the person you reply to. Hence me title with a play on "how low can I go" as I feel like this is semi-spam. So if you perceive it as spam I apologize *WAY* up-front. However you are my peers and quite honestly a very fine group of people who opinions I actually value pretty highly. (Read that as a compliment, I'm not always the best with wording.) So here is ROUND II. My wife suggested dumping the egg/rock and going for a wireframe and Jed also took a lot of the other feedback to heart so feel free to critique again. My first impressions are that I really like it. It stayed the same but it's subtley different to. Most importantly John Simmons suggestion was brought to life. I like it both ways. Be curious to see what he thinks and others who also agreed with him. I've gotten some interest emails from people wondering how expensive Jed is. I think his rates are incredibly good. I send any work I can his way because he's great to work with. If you want feel free to contact him directly with questions and just reference his work on my logo as a starting point. His email is jedREMOVEsplitREMOVE@hotmailREMOVE.com I think he'd be happy to answer questions and provide the same type of service if you are interested. Second Batch of Logo Artwork courtesy of Jed Split Graphics[^]
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
-- modified at 11:50 Wednesday 14th December, 2005
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This is the thing about organization of posts here. There's no way to bump a post back up and the replies don't notify everyone in the topic only the person you reply to. Hence me title with a play on "how low can I go" as I feel like this is semi-spam. So if you perceive it as spam I apologize *WAY* up-front. However you are my peers and quite honestly a very fine group of people who opinions I actually value pretty highly. (Read that as a compliment, I'm not always the best with wording.) So here is ROUND II. My wife suggested dumping the egg/rock and going for a wireframe and Jed also took a lot of the other feedback to heart so feel free to critique again. My first impressions are that I really like it. It stayed the same but it's subtley different to. Most importantly John Simmons suggestion was brought to life. I like it both ways. Be curious to see what he thinks and others who also agreed with him. I've gotten some interest emails from people wondering how expensive Jed is. I think his rates are incredibly good. I send any work I can his way because he's great to work with. If you want feel free to contact him directly with questions and just reference his work on my logo as a starting point. His email is jedREMOVEsplitREMOVE@hotmailREMOVE.com I think he'd be happy to answer questions and provide the same type of service if you are interested. Second Batch of Logo Artwork courtesy of Jed Split Graphics[^]
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
-- modified at 11:50 Wednesday 14th December, 2005
I rather like #7. Second choice would be #9. :) Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.