King Kong and a Five-year old?
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Marc Clifton wrote:
think it is stupider to take a 5 year old to a movie rated PG-13.
:laugh: Don't hold back, Marc. ;) BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
Don't hold back, Marc.
On the issue of kids and media exposure, I rarely do. :rolleyes: Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
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Maximilien wrote:
it's 3 hours long
Damn! I hate movies that go beyond 2 hours.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I hate movies that go beyond 2 hours.
You cannot state this : it is a time relativity question (Thanks, Einstein). I know "long" movies (Lord of the Rings, long version or even Revenge of the Siths) that are very long but you cannot see time go by, and you are surprised at the end of the movie that so much time went by. I know "short" movies that are sooo boring they seem to last an eternity. :-D And there are also long boring movies (Lars van Trien ones, for example). :rolleyes: ~RaGE();
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Jim A. Johnson wrote:
but I'm getting understandable resistance from his mother.
Good!
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
He know the difference between movies and reality
That's BS. You think he does because you see him through your adult eyes. 5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality. Nor should they. They should have an imagination that only laters questions, "why isn't this possible". imHo. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Marc Clifton wrote:
5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality.
So what. It doesn't have to be clear, as long as the end result is they know it is fantasy, even if they have to question you somewhere along the line. I reckon my son has seen stuff you still don't allow your son to watch and he's what, about 6 years older. As long as I (or his mother) is there to remove him from the movie or press the stop button if there is something beyond his capabilities I see no problem. My son has a much clearer view on the world and takes less shit from his peers and teachers than the rest of his classmates who have been babied along and kept too far away from the reality of the big bad world or fantasy of the big bad movie. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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brianwelsch wrote:
Don't hold back, Marc.
On the issue of kids and media exposure, I rarely do. :rolleyes: Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Yeah, I question some people decisions on what they expose their children to. Yesterday at the mall, I was in Spencer's Gifts looking for a gag gift for a party and someone was in there with a 6-7 year old. For people not familiar, Spencer's sells Adult novelty items like drinking games, drug paraphernalia, sex toys, plenty of t-shirts with explicit sayings and pictures, etc.. Not a kid's store. BW
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I'd love to take my son to see King Kong, but I'm getting understandable resistance from his mother. Has anyone seen it? I know this is a difficult question, but is it OK for a five-year old? This kid.. of course he's smart, he enjoys dinosaur movies (duh), he really enjoyed Planet of the Apes when he was 3 ("Daddy.. why do the apes hate the humans so much?"). He know the difference between movies and reality. TIA for informed opinions.
You know your child better than the rest of us, however, I have to agree with Marc. I wouldn't take any of my young children to see a PG-13 movie; in many cases, I wouldn't take a 13 year old to see a PG-13 movie (mainly because the content in today's PG-13 movies is what I remember 'R' rated movies being). Regardless, it's your job as a parent to protect your child's innocence and do things that are in the best interest of the child. In my opinion, taking a 5 year old to see a PG-13 movie of ANY kind, is doing neither of those jobs.
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I'd love to take my son to see King Kong, but I'm getting understandable resistance from his mother. Has anyone seen it? I know this is a difficult question, but is it OK for a five-year old? This kid.. of course he's smart, he enjoys dinosaur movies (duh), he really enjoyed Planet of the Apes when he was 3 ("Daddy.. why do the apes hate the humans so much?"). He know the difference between movies and reality. TIA for informed opinions.
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
He know the difference between movies and reality.
I also thought that of my 7 year old boy, but, when I took him to see "Herbie Fully Loaded", on that scene when the Monster truck was about to destroy Herbie, I look at his face: it was covered in tears, because he was so revolted that they would destroy his newest hero, Herbie. At that point I understood that he knows the difference between movies and reality, but, if the emotion shown in the movie is too strong, he won't know the difference anymore. Just be careful... From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
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Marc Clifton wrote:
5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality.
So what. It doesn't have to be clear, as long as the end result is they know it is fantasy, even if they have to question you somewhere along the line. I reckon my son has seen stuff you still don't allow your son to watch and he's what, about 6 years older. As long as I (or his mother) is there to remove him from the movie or press the stop button if there is something beyond his capabilities I see no problem. My son has a much clearer view on the world and takes less shit from his peers and teachers than the rest of his classmates who have been babied along and kept too far away from the reality of the big bad world or fantasy of the big bad movie. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
And sadly, because you and so many other parents feel the same way, the violence of children against children is perpetuated as they act out their on-screen fantasies and roll models against each other, and as they mature into adults, the result is a decensitization to all forms of violence. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome! -- modified at 11:34 Friday 16th December, 2005
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I hate movies that go beyond 2 hours.
You cannot state this : it is a time relativity question (Thanks, Einstein). I know "long" movies (Lord of the Rings, long version or even Revenge of the Siths) that are very long but you cannot see time go by, and you are surprised at the end of the movie that so much time went by. I know "short" movies that are sooo boring they seem to last an eternity. :-D And there are also long boring movies (Lars van Trien ones, for example). :rolleyes: ~RaGE();
Rage wrote:
You cannot state this : it is a time relativity question (Thanks, Einstein). I know "long" movies (Lord of the Rings, long version or even Revenge of the Siths) that are very long but you cannot see time go by, and you are surprised at the end of the movie that so much time went by. I know "short" movies that are sooo boring they seem to last an eternity.
True :-)
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Jim A. Johnson wrote:
He know the difference between movies and reality.
I also thought that of my 7 year old boy, but, when I took him to see "Herbie Fully Loaded", on that scene when the Monster truck was about to destroy Herbie, I look at his face: it was covered in tears, because he was so revolted that they would destroy his newest hero, Herbie. At that point I understood that he knows the difference between movies and reality, but, if the emotion shown in the movie is too strong, he won't know the difference anymore. Just be careful... From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
What about all the adults who cry at movies then, it's not about knowing the difference between reality and fantasy, it's just about temporarily losing track of it when you are watching it. Imagine watching Matrix or Star Wars and spending each second thinking how everything is just computer animation, it won't be so much fun then, will it? To really enjoy a movie, you have to dissolve into a fantasy world! I appreciate your points though and even gave you a 5, though it was partly because I love the Ajax voting :-)
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What about all the adults who cry at movies then, it's not about knowing the difference between reality and fantasy, it's just about temporarily losing track of it when you are watching it. Imagine watching Matrix or Star Wars and spending each second thinking how everything is just computer animation, it won't be so much fun then, will it? To really enjoy a movie, you have to dissolve into a fantasy world! I appreciate your points though and even gave you a 5, though it was partly because I love the Ajax voting :-)
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Imagine watching Matrix or Star Wars and spending each second thinking how everything is just computer animation, it won't be so much fun then, will it?
I know it, and this is called Suspension of Disbelief[^]. At that moment, my son was not experiencing it. It was stronger, and he was clearly mixing the movie with the reality. I don't know if you're a dad yet, but small children sometimes cannot differ fantasy from reality. It's a state similar to what adults often experience in dreams. While dreaming, you often don't know that you're dreaming. When you're watching a movie, you do know that you're watching a movie. BTW, thanks for the 5. I also started voting more and posting more after CPHog :) From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
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And sadly, because you and so many other parents feel the same way, the violence of children against children is perpetuated as they act out their on-screen fantasies and roll models against each other, and as they mature into adults, the result is a decensitization to all forms of violence. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome! -- modified at 11:34 Friday 16th December, 2005
Marc Clifton wrote:
And sadly, because you and so many other parents feel the same way, the violence of children against children is perpetuated as they act out their on-screen fantasies and roll models against each other...
Of the couple of times we have been called to school it has all been retaliation to someone else, never has he been the perpetrator. Closest he gets is at home, but that is his little sister, who just like mine was, is a scheming little bitch who niggles and niggles till he explodes. If he does the right thing and leaves it up to me she gets the flogging, if he can't help himself and let's loose he cops it.
Marc Clifton wrote:
and as they mature into adults, the result is a decensitization to all forms of violence.
Now if only I was lucky enough to have watch movies to get my desensitivation. Movies are the least of the worlds problems when it comes to kids becoming fucked up adults. In the end it comes down to the mental strength of the individual to what they do. With my childhood I should be out killing everything and everypone I don't like and molesting the rest. I'm not doing it though. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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One more thing. Regardless of how stupid I think the movie rating system is, I think it is stupider to take a 5 year old to a movie rated PG-13. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
My jaw just about hit the floor when one of my co-workers said he took his 5 year old to see Saving Private Ryan. I just don't get people.
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Jim A. Johnson wrote:
He know the difference between movies and reality.
I also thought that of my 7 year old boy, but, when I took him to see "Herbie Fully Loaded", on that scene when the Monster truck was about to destroy Herbie, I look at his face: it was covered in tears, because he was so revolted that they would destroy his newest hero, Herbie. At that point I understood that he knows the difference between movies and reality, but, if the emotion shown in the movie is too strong, he won't know the difference anymore. Just be careful... From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
Daniel Turini wrote:
I also thought that of my 7 year old boy, but, when I took him to see "Herbie Fully Loaded", on that scene when the Monster truck was about to destroy Herbie, I look at his face: it was covered in tears, because he was so revolted that they would destroy his newest hero, Herbie.
Christ, my 5 year daughter just waited for Herbie to get out of trouble. She had seen through out the movie that nothing really bad ever happened to Herbie. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And sadly, because you and so many other parents feel the same way, the violence of children against children is perpetuated as they act out their on-screen fantasies and roll models against each other...
Of the couple of times we have been called to school it has all been retaliation to someone else, never has he been the perpetrator. Closest he gets is at home, but that is his little sister, who just like mine was, is a scheming little bitch who niggles and niggles till he explodes. If he does the right thing and leaves it up to me she gets the flogging, if he can't help himself and let's loose he cops it.
Marc Clifton wrote:
and as they mature into adults, the result is a decensitization to all forms of violence.
Now if only I was lucky enough to have watch movies to get my desensitivation. Movies are the least of the worlds problems when it comes to kids becoming fucked up adults. In the end it comes down to the mental strength of the individual to what they do. With my childhood I should be out killing everything and everypone I don't like and molesting the rest. I'm not doing it though. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
In the end it comes down to the mental strength of the individual to what they do.
I agree, and personally feel that exposure to the media weakens this strength of character rather than building it. Just because a person isn't exposed to the problems of the world as a child doesn't mean they have they are inept at handling them as an adult. After all, isn't that what "education" should achieve (but of course, fails miserably)?
Michael Martin wrote:
With my childhood I should be out killing everything and everypone I don't like and molesting the rest.
A serious question--why is that? What part of your life do you feel is a result of your childhood? Do you feel you had a defining moment, as an adult, where you said "I'm no longer letting my past control me?" I for one do not buy into Freudian psychology. At some point, as an adult, we have the ability to grow out of our childhood traumas. It may be incredibly difficult, but I think the modern day shrink emphasizes digging into the past too much, and not enough of "get a spine and grow out of it". Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
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Daniel Turini wrote:
I also thought that of my 7 year old boy, but, when I took him to see "Herbie Fully Loaded", on that scene when the Monster truck was about to destroy Herbie, I look at his face: it was covered in tears, because he was so revolted that they would destroy his newest hero, Herbie.
Christ, my 5 year daughter just waited for Herbie to get out of trouble. She had seen through out the movie that nothing really bad ever happened to Herbie. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Christ, my 5 year daughter just waited for Herbie to get out of trouble. She had seen through out the movie that nothing really bad ever happened to Herbie.
You see, women are immune to men suffering :) From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
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My jaw just about hit the floor when one of my co-workers said he took his 5 year old to see Saving Private Ryan. I just don't get people.
andy brummer wrote:
My jaw just about hit the floor when one of my co-workers said he took his 5 year old to see Saving Private Ryan.
You should ask him why. I bet he says "I want my son to know what war is like". Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
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Daniel Turini wrote:
I also thought that of my 7 year old boy, but, when I took him to see "Herbie Fully Loaded", on that scene when the Monster truck was about to destroy Herbie, I look at his face: it was covered in tears, because he was so revolted that they would destroy his newest hero, Herbie.
Christ, my 5 year daughter just waited for Herbie to get out of trouble. She had seen through out the movie that nothing really bad ever happened to Herbie. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Christ, my 5 year daughter just waited for Herbie to get out of trouble. She had seen through out the movie that nothing really bad ever happened to Herbie.
Proof positive from your own "mouth" that she has become desensitized to violence.
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Jim A. Johnson wrote:
but I'm getting understandable resistance from his mother.
Good!
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
He know the difference between movies and reality
That's BS. You think he does because you see him through your adult eyes. 5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality. Nor should they. They should have an imagination that only laters questions, "why isn't this possible". imHo. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Marc Clifton wrote:
5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality.
That's BS. Most 5 year olds are much wiser than adults give them credit for. In addition, it's important to feed their imaginations with a little fantasy now and them. I say, bring the kid to the movies. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality.
That's BS. Most 5 year olds are much wiser than adults give them credit for. In addition, it's important to feed their imaginations with a little fantasy now and them. I say, bring the kid to the movies. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
it's important to feed their imaginations with a little fantasy now and them.
I prefer to watch children develop their imaginations without being spoon fed images of disguisting monsters and violence, which, lacking any other imagination, they act out toward each other at the day care. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
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Michael Martin wrote:
In the end it comes down to the mental strength of the individual to what they do.
I agree, and personally feel that exposure to the media weakens this strength of character rather than building it. Just because a person isn't exposed to the problems of the world as a child doesn't mean they have they are inept at handling them as an adult. After all, isn't that what "education" should achieve (but of course, fails miserably)?
Michael Martin wrote:
With my childhood I should be out killing everything and everypone I don't like and molesting the rest.
A serious question--why is that? What part of your life do you feel is a result of your childhood? Do you feel you had a defining moment, as an adult, where you said "I'm no longer letting my past control me?" I for one do not buy into Freudian psychology. At some point, as an adult, we have the ability to grow out of our childhood traumas. It may be incredibly difficult, but I think the modern day shrink emphasizes digging into the past too much, and not enough of "get a spine and grow out of it". Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Marc Clifton wrote:
A serious question--why is that? What part of your life do you feel is a result of your childhood?
Permanent anger and rage. This eased off quite a bit in 2000 when I won my court case. After that my brain/mind was able to turn off at night and let me sleep.
Marc Clifton wrote:
Do you feel you had a defining moment, as an adult, where you said "I'm no longer letting my past control me?"
No, at about 10 or 11 I made up my mind never to be anything like my father.
Marc Clifton wrote:
I for one do not buy into Freudian psychology. At some point, as an adult, we have the ability to grow out of our childhood traumas. It may be incredibly difficult, but I think the modern day shrink emphasizes digging into the past too much, and not enough of "get a spine and grow out of it".
Never been to a psychiatrist, probably would have been good as a child but but the time I was an adult my putrecent hatred of the world was complete. I did see a psychologist twice in 2000 as part of my court case (a requirement), but told her that further visits were a waste of time as it was too late to fix the problem. Obviously you have missed the posts years ago or have forgotten them so a quick attempted cleaned up version for the lounge. Mother was chased off when I was 4 after catching daddy if in the act of poo pushing. Poofter pedophile who used me as bait to get mothers to allow their kids to stay over and play with me. They got molested, live in poofter boyfriend pedophile molseted me. Older molested boys also decided the best way to get back at the perpetrator was to molest me as well. Completely fucked up. There is a shitload more to it. As for the whole spine thing (I know you weren't directing this at me), without blowing too much sunshine up my own arse, there aren't too many people on earth who could live through my childhood and be fucked up as little as I am. I refuse to hide my kids from too much (somethings have to wait until they are older) because that is what my father did. As much as I love a drink I am not an alcoholic or addicted to anything, why?? Because that faggot was an alcoholic and I will die before I am anything like him. It's late, I worked a shitload again today, am having a couple of drinks and am losing track of where my post was going, will stop now as several rereads haven't helped any.