Women Programmers
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
You're right on one count, but I disagree on the other. The few that I've known have been pretty switched on, and good luck to them! :cool: It begs the question: how many incompetant male programmers do you know? ;P Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
(andy.metcalfe@lineone.net)
http://www.resorg.co.uk"I used to be a medieval re-enactor, but I'm (nearly) alright now..."
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
A similar thread was posted a few weeks ago. Here's an exerpt from my Opinions web page that may (or may not) be pertinent: ----------------------------------- I was having a discussion with some of the female staff at work yesterday, and it was universally accepted (based on reliable input from male members of the staff and male passers-by) that the very first thought to cross a guys mind when he sees a woman, a picture of a woman, or even a drawing (cartoon, lifelike, or otherwise) is somehow connected with SEX. Anyone (male or female) that says otherwise is a bald-face liar. Even after hundreds of years of sensitivity training by the church (and more recently, by women), and after being exposed to what I laughingly call civilization, men (as a group) are still driven by primal urges to propagate the species. Don't get me wrong - I don't think there's millions of guys are walking around ready to pop a woody at the slightest hint of a sexual encounter, but their very first thought, no matter how fleeting, is connected in some manner with sex. ------------------------------------ No amount of political correctness is gonna change what millions of years of evolution has planted in our brains. Female programmer? I dunno, I've only known/seen two - both were competent programmers and easy on the eyes to boot. You can't lose with a combo like that (and yeah, if invited, i would have bent them over any convenient horizontal surface). Once you get beyond the caveman stuff, they're just programmers. :-)
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
I don't know many good neither but I've noted that 'Sarah' and 'Lisa' (from CodeProject's forum) are sending a few questions these days.;) :rose: - "Whoever believe in me, shall be saved!" - Jesus "God bless America!" - US President
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
We recently hired two female programmers from the PRC, and they are good programmers. About 1/3 of the serious candidates I've seen during the hiring process were female.
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You're right on one count, but I disagree on the other. The few that I've known have been pretty switched on, and good luck to them! :cool: It begs the question: how many incompetant male programmers do you know? ;P Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
(andy.metcalfe@lineone.net)
http://www.resorg.co.uk"I used to be a medieval re-enactor, but I'm (nearly) alright now..."
:laugh: Good call, Andy! I am male (I need to specify that given the nature of this thread, and the fact that my name is unisex), but we do have a female programmer here where I work. She does VB/Access programming, and she's very good at it. Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
I know some one named Kate Gregory who's a great programmer. She knows Visual C++ like the back of her hand and she's written many wonderful books on the topic. Very useful and pertinent books I might add, too. Plus, Karen Watterson, an editorial director at Apress LP (http://www.apress.com/) has been programming in VB/SQL/ASP for over 10 years, and she had a lot of expertise. Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart "And that's the news from Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, the men are good-looking, and the children are above-average." - Garrison Keillor
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A similar thread was posted a few weeks ago. Here's an exerpt from my Opinions web page that may (or may not) be pertinent: ----------------------------------- I was having a discussion with some of the female staff at work yesterday, and it was universally accepted (based on reliable input from male members of the staff and male passers-by) that the very first thought to cross a guys mind when he sees a woman, a picture of a woman, or even a drawing (cartoon, lifelike, or otherwise) is somehow connected with SEX. Anyone (male or female) that says otherwise is a bald-face liar. Even after hundreds of years of sensitivity training by the church (and more recently, by women), and after being exposed to what I laughingly call civilization, men (as a group) are still driven by primal urges to propagate the species. Don't get me wrong - I don't think there's millions of guys are walking around ready to pop a woody at the slightest hint of a sexual encounter, but their very first thought, no matter how fleeting, is connected in some manner with sex. ------------------------------------ No amount of political correctness is gonna change what millions of years of evolution has planted in our brains. Female programmer? I dunno, I've only known/seen two - both were competent programmers and easy on the eyes to boot. You can't lose with a combo like that (and yeah, if invited, i would have bent them over any convenient horizontal surface). Once you get beyond the caveman stuff, they're just programmers. :-)
I completely agree. :) Yes, we can be programmers and "beat" the machine (even if it's often the opposite), but after all we are just animals :eek: Cheers, Paolo ------ "airplane is cool, but space shuttle is even better" (J. Kaczorowski)
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:laugh: Good call, Andy! I am male (I need to specify that given the nature of this thread, and the fact that my name is unisex), but we do have a female programmer here where I work. She does VB/Access programming, and she's very good at it. Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA
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I doubt she'd be interested. She went to school specifically for Access/VB programming, and between two teenage daughters, probably doesn't have the time anyway. If she asked however, I'd be more than happy to. :) Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. Are you for real? The female developers I've met are, without exception, smart, focussed, motivated, and accomplished. IT is a male world - maybe women feel they have to overcompensate/over-achieve in order to feel accepted - maybe they are simply better developers but insist on having a life hence there are less of them. Who knows. I would love to do an interview with women developers who visit CodeProject - get their views and comments on the whole industry. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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I have noticed that you don't find many Women Programmers, especially when using C++. When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. What sort of experience have you guys come across. I know this is a bit Sexist, but hey who cares !! :cool:
Women generally don't get into programming for a variety of reasons in my experience. 1) They're more "social" beings, and prefer dealing with humans to machines, they'll use machines in their interaction with humans, but the interaction has to be the primary activity. 2) Women tend to be looked down upon by men programmers (even you are doing it), and only the most determined geekettes can get past it. There is a definite "Prove yourself" mentality in programming, and women are not as competitive on the same level as men, especially when they have to compete with men. 3) Women often feel outnumbered in programming (actually, most engineering fields) and feel uncomfortable. They often have to deal with men who have little social skills trying to hit on them, or being gawked at.
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When you usually come across Women Programmers they are usually not bright and struggle with projects. Are you for real? The female developers I've met are, without exception, smart, focussed, motivated, and accomplished. IT is a male world - maybe women feel they have to overcompensate/over-achieve in order to feel accepted - maybe they are simply better developers but insist on having a life hence there are less of them. Who knows. I would love to do an interview with women developers who visit CodeProject - get their views and comments on the whole industry. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
This is another issue. I've found that managers tend not to hire female programmers because they expect their programmers to not have lives, and women (more so than men) are much more family oriented. I think most managers will believe that a woman will tend to take more time off for sick children, not work overtime because they need to be home for the children, or of course take months off for maternity leave when they get pregnant, then coming back with skills that are rusted and out of date. Now, I don't agree with that, i'm simply saying that this is my perception of what managers think.
