For all you Linux haters
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
JimRivera wrote: For all you Linux haters I don't hate linux. It's the zealots that irritate the hell out of me.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
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just joking with everybody, and the fact that you always get a better thread with better comments if you throw a few insulting remarks. In life its better to catch bees with honey. In CP you bruise egos lol ;P Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
Forgive me for messing with all of you i am no zealot its was just a joke, with a link to something interesting i'd like to get some opinions on forgive me for not being funny. Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
I think most Windows developers wish Linux the best. We all understand that competition is a good thing. The sore spot we all have with Linux is not so much the technology as it is the politics that the Linux side can't seem to free itself. The very minute I can create applications for as wide a range of customers with Linux, or any other operating system, that I can with Windows, is the very minute I will begin using it. But it will be about technology, not politics.
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JimRivera wrote: For all you Linux haters I don't hate linux. It's the zealots that irritate the hell out of me.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
Amen to that! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
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I think most Windows developers wish Linux the best. We all understand that competition is a good thing. The sore spot we all have with Linux is not so much the technology as it is the politics that the Linux side can't seem to free itself. The very minute I can create applications for as wide a range of customers with Linux, or any other operating system, that I can with Windows, is the very minute I will begin using it. But it will be about technology, not politics.
But it will be about technology, not politics. Double amen to this! And sadly, politics is a major driving force of "linux", with technical decisions frequently taking a back seat to the politics of licensing, as well as spawning an endless, mindless drivel of disucssions about said licnese . ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
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JimRivera wrote: For all you Linux haters I don't hate linux. It's the zealots that irritate the hell out of me.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
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Forgive me for messing with all of you i am no zealot its was just a joke, with a link to something interesting i'd like to get some opinions on forgive me for not being funny. Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
Almost everything can be forgiven - but never not being funny.
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
Interestingly enough, although I am a Windows programmer I have recently started reading a book about the Linux Kernel (Understanding the Linux Kernel, 2nd Edition), to gain some insight. The article states that there are 2 major differences in Linux and Windows, and the first is security. We all know how well Windows handles that! A single wayward user process can corrupt a whole machine, because it is almost impossible to use Windows without being an administrator or a "power user". On the other hand, on Linux, a user process can only damage a very limited amount, and no part of the operating system. The second difference is in Window handling. Linux made a bold choice to make the OS more flexible, and secure, although there were performance compromises. Sure, Windows has the upper hand in terms of Windowing performance, but on the latest processors, that margin is about gone. Architecturally, the kernels may be similar, but no current version of Windows can boot off of a 1.4 inch floppy. (Yes that is possible with Linux). Certainly, there is no recent version of Windows that boots off of a normal CD, and allows full Windowing functionality with a complete set of MS Office applications. Knoppix can. The point being, that as developers we should respect the architectural choices of the Linux programmers. They made the right choices in terms of making an OS that was flexible and powerful. Windows programmers were driven by money, which is not wrong, but led them to make choices that led to a lot of today's security problems.
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Interestingly enough, although I am a Windows programmer I have recently started reading a book about the Linux Kernel (Understanding the Linux Kernel, 2nd Edition), to gain some insight. The article states that there are 2 major differences in Linux and Windows, and the first is security. We all know how well Windows handles that! A single wayward user process can corrupt a whole machine, because it is almost impossible to use Windows without being an administrator or a "power user". On the other hand, on Linux, a user process can only damage a very limited amount, and no part of the operating system. The second difference is in Window handling. Linux made a bold choice to make the OS more flexible, and secure, although there were performance compromises. Sure, Windows has the upper hand in terms of Windowing performance, but on the latest processors, that margin is about gone. Architecturally, the kernels may be similar, but no current version of Windows can boot off of a 1.4 inch floppy. (Yes that is possible with Linux). Certainly, there is no recent version of Windows that boots off of a normal CD, and allows full Windowing functionality with a complete set of MS Office applications. Knoppix can. The point being, that as developers we should respect the architectural choices of the Linux programmers. They made the right choices in terms of making an OS that was flexible and powerful. Windows programmers were driven by money, which is not wrong, but led them to make choices that led to a lot of today's security problems.
Steven Campbell wrote: the first is security. We all know how well Windows handles that! About as well as (or as bad as) Linux as far as I can see. Linux is not immune to security issues because it is built by software developers and software developers are human, and humans make errors sometimes. Steven Campbell wrote: because it is almost impossible to use Windows without being an administrator or a "power user". This is really a cofiguration issue. You can run in windows in a perfectly acceptable manner as a less privileged user. You can use "Run As..." in order to run a process as the Administrator if need be, just like Linux can spawn processes running as root if need be. Steven Campbell wrote: 1.4 inch floppy I'm being facetious with this but: A 1.4" floppy disk?! Wow, I never knew they made them so small. Steven Campbell wrote: The point being, that as developers we should respect the architectural choices of the Linux programmers. They made the right choices in terms of making an OS that was flexible and powerful I don't think we should look as this as right and wrong. They made a choice to use Linux, we've (mostly) made a choice to use Windows. I happen to think that the Windows OS is flexible and powerful - It has served me well over the years and I find it has been able to do everything I've asked of it. Probably if I was developing for Linux I would say the same thing about that as well. Steven Campbell wrote: Windows programmers were driven by money, which is not wrong, but led them to make choices that led to a lot of today's security problems. Way back when I started my career my choice which was "driven by money" was because that is what put food on my table. I set up a company that delivered a Windows based product because that is what the world used. If I had build a Unix based (this was in the days before Linux) product we wouldn't have got far - expecially as the prime goal was to make the application as easy to use as possible for the end user. Today's security problems in Windows are no worse pro-rata than those security problems in Linux. If it gains market leadership you will find it is attacked just as much as Windows is today. Because it will become a big target as it is easier to shoot at a bigger target than a smaller one.
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Interestingly enough, although I am a Windows programmer I have recently started reading a book about the Linux Kernel (Understanding the Linux Kernel, 2nd Edition), to gain some insight. The article states that there are 2 major differences in Linux and Windows, and the first is security. We all know how well Windows handles that! A single wayward user process can corrupt a whole machine, because it is almost impossible to use Windows without being an administrator or a "power user". On the other hand, on Linux, a user process can only damage a very limited amount, and no part of the operating system. The second difference is in Window handling. Linux made a bold choice to make the OS more flexible, and secure, although there were performance compromises. Sure, Windows has the upper hand in terms of Windowing performance, but on the latest processors, that margin is about gone. Architecturally, the kernels may be similar, but no current version of Windows can boot off of a 1.4 inch floppy. (Yes that is possible with Linux). Certainly, there is no recent version of Windows that boots off of a normal CD, and allows full Windowing functionality with a complete set of MS Office applications. Knoppix can. The point being, that as developers we should respect the architectural choices of the Linux programmers. They made the right choices in terms of making an OS that was flexible and powerful. Windows programmers were driven by money, which is not wrong, but led them to make choices that led to a lot of today's security problems.
Except there are actually more security breaches in Linux than in Windows ;) And yes, that is a well known fact. [edit]When you talk about servers that is[/edit] - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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Except there are actually more security breaches in Linux than in Windows ;) And yes, that is a well known fact. [edit]When you talk about servers that is[/edit] - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
My Photos[^] New developersite: RealDevs.NetAnders Molin wrote: Except there are actually more security breaches in Linux than in Windows Really?! Wow!
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
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Anders Molin wrote: Except there are actually more security breaches in Linux than in Windows Really?! Wow!
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
What really matters is that both OS'es is pretty secure with the right people managing them, and both are pretty insecure when the wrong people try to manage them... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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What really matters is that both OS'es is pretty secure with the right people managing them, and both are pretty insecure when the wrong people try to manage them... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
My Photos[^] New developersite: RealDevs.NetAnders Molin wrote: both OS'es is pretty secure with the right people managing them, and both are pretty insecure when the wrong people try to manage them True. I think most security breaches are caused by eejits leaving their password on a postit note on their monitor, or handing out security information to anyone who asks without question. On every communication with my bank there is always a big notice to say that they will never ask for your PIN and not to tell anyone what it is regardless of who they are so it must happen frequently enough for them to have to keep reminding people.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
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This will definately get your fingers typing......flame me now :suss: Linux and Windows Kernel are almost identical, except for message hadling and security Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
I would comment on this article, but the comments posted on the bottom of the page after the article do it all for me. Jason nirgle@gmail.com SonorkID 100.611
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JimRivera wrote: For all you Linux haters I don't hate linux. It's the zealots that irritate the hell out of me.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
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:confused: Was that a general statement or were you aiming it at me?
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog