What a classy group
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Kerry/Edwards don't do anything for me in any regard. Stan Shannon wrote: I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. I am so tired of voting against someone... THIS STINKS :mad:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
palbano wrote: The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. What extremism? Specifics? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Exactly. And it is exactly because of this crowd that I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. what do you mean by "extremism" ? this kind:
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Li'l Annie Coulter. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom [ie. the State Department], I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" The Reverend Pat Robertson. "Oh, you're one of the sodomites... You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it." Michael Savage.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Kerry/Edwards don't do anything for me in any regard. Stan Shannon wrote: I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. I am so tired of voting against someone... THIS STINKS :mad:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
palbano wrote: The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. Unless you mean "extremist" concepts such as capitalism and the constitutional right to free exercise of religion - I don't know what extremism you are referring to. I think the Repbulicans have done an outstanding job of separating themselves from whatever extremism exists on the right (In any case, "extremist conservatism" is an oxymoron. ) "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Exactly. And it is exactly because of this crowd that I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country Skip some of your stronger wording but in a nutshell. Ditto, at least at the national level. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
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Stan Shannon wrote: As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. what do you mean by "extremism" ? this kind:
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Li'l Annie Coulter. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom [ie. the State Department], I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" The Reverend Pat Robertson. "Oh, you're one of the sodomites... You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it." Michael Savage.
When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? well, that is why i asked what you meant by extremism... you weren't very clear . and, maybe there have been such comments made at R fund raisers - by some "major league asshole", perhaps. i don't have any links handy, but if i run across some, i'll be sure to post them here. ;) in any case, swearing and insulting people is not "extremism" Software | Cleek
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Just how old are you ? Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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palbano wrote: trot out the "Values" issue Exactly where did I mention anything about the values of Bush, his father or the GOP? If you'd like to argue whether or not the Kerry fundraiser was as described, I'm listening. palbano wrote: Like i said before... you guys are a F**king joke Yeah, but at least we can discuss issues without resorting to profanity. "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
Mike Mullikin wrote: Yeah, but at least we can discuss issues without resorting to profanity. Umm - does "we" include the vice-president? Whoopi Goldberg is a comedian - a not-very-good one, IMHO - who relies on profanity to seem funny. Ozzie and Harriet ended their run 50 years ago; get over it.
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palbano wrote: The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. What extremism? Specifics? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
Mike Gaskey wrote: What extremism? Specifics? Man, you're dense. Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you?
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Yeah, but at least we can discuss issues without resorting to profanity. Umm - does "we" include the vice-president? Whoopi Goldberg is a comedian - a not-very-good one, IMHO - who relies on profanity to seem funny. Ozzie and Harriet ended their run 50 years ago; get over it.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: Umm - does "we" include the vice-president? In retrospect "we" means "me, myself and I". :-O Jim A. Johnson wrote: Ozzie and Harriet ended their run 50 years ago; get over it. I'm hardly a prude. I just think her comments were juvenile and lacked class. If you feel overwise, please explain. "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
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When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." Nothing obscene there, of coruse, other than the reality behind the comments. Repubs save obscene words for the halls of Congress.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: What extremism? Specifics? Man, you're dense. Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you?
Defending the country from terrorism is extremism? :confused: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Mike Gaskey wrote: What extremism? Specifics? Man, you're dense. Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you?
Jim A. Johnson wrote: Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you? Yes. I remain thrilled that we no longer have self indulgent children running the country. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Jim A. Johnson wrote: Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you? Yes. I remain thrilled that we no longer have self indulgent children running the country. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Stan Shannon wrote: When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." Nothing obscene there, of coruse, other than the reality behind the comments. Repubs save obscene words for the halls of Congress.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." That really compels me to vote for such common, average Joe's like Kerry and Edwards supported by middle class people like Goldberg... :rolleyes: Jim A. Johnson wrote: Repubs save obscene words for the halls of Congress. Yeah, Kerry has had a bad influence on Cheney! :laugh: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: Mike Mullikin wrote: Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? it's been that way as long as i've been alive. I won't disagree with you but just what sort of person are you looking for in the role of president? What qualifies someone for the job? Successful... Businessman? Lawyer? Senator? Governor? Actor? Wrestler? Mayor? Garbage man? Photomat attendant? What qualifications are necessary for POTUS? Dave
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Defending the country from terrorism is extremism? :confused: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: Defending the country from terrorism They're not doing that.. Key points to remember: 1) bin Laden was enemy number 1 for aboyt 9 months; after that, Bush said (paraphrasing) "I'm not giving much thought to him." He's still at large. 2) Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, had no weapons of mass destruction, was not a threat to anyone (except its own people), and had never launched an attack on the US. Our invasion of that country had nothing to do with the "war on terror".
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Chris Losinger wrote: Mike Mullikin wrote: Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? it's been that way as long as i've been alive. I won't disagree with you but just what sort of person are you looking for in the role of president? What qualifies someone for the job? Successful... Businessman? Lawyer? Senator? Governor? Actor? Wrestler? Mayor? Garbage man? Photomat attendant? What qualifications are necessary for POTUS? Dave
DRHuff wrote: just what sort of person are you looking for in the role of president? Dave!!! i don't know what kind of profession would ensure that a person would be good at the job. DRHuff wrote: What qualifications are necessary for POTUS? at least 35 years old, American born citizen. non-felon? Software | Cleek
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DRHuff wrote: just what sort of person are you looking for in the role of president? Dave!!! i don't know what kind of profession would ensure that a person would be good at the job. DRHuff wrote: What qualifications are necessary for POTUS? at least 35 years old, American born citizen. non-felon? Software | Cleek
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Exactly. And it is exactly because of this crowd that I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. I think you have extremism right there. Anyone who deviates slightly from the right-wing Republican line is, in your mind, opposed to everything about America. You find mild dissent intolerable. Democrats believe in democracy, the rule of law, human rights and market capitalism. Compared to Republicans, they might set tax rates at slightly different levels, support stronger legislation to protect the environment and be less interventionist in the bedrooms of the nation, but these are comparatively minor variations around a capitalist-democratic consensus. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy