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    Nigel Savidge
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    Is your computer is close to a road - this may cause it to crash: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3890127.stm[^] :~

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      Is your computer is close to a road - this may cause it to crash: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3890127.stm[^] :~

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      As more cars increase their use of the drive-by-wire concept won't this actually be dangerous? If it knocks out the computer now that's fine the steering wheel and brakes are physically connected to the road wheels, but in a drive-by-wire system they won't be. However, if a car is drive-by-wire then most likely, I suppose, it's on board computer system wouldn't allow it to be stolen in the first place - or at least the legitimate owner could shut it down remotely.


      "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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        Is your computer is close to a road - this may cause it to crash: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3890127.stm[^] :~

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        Michael A Barnhart
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        Nigel Savidge wrote: Is your computer is close to a road - this may cause it to crash: My question is: And every other car within what range. The value given is gaurantee, so a percentage much further away is also impacted. If these go into usage I think it maybe time to invest in the chip industry again. There are going to be a lot of replacement demand. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.

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          As more cars increase their use of the drive-by-wire concept won't this actually be dangerous? If it knocks out the computer now that's fine the steering wheel and brakes are physically connected to the road wheels, but in a drive-by-wire system they won't be. However, if a car is drive-by-wire then most likely, I suppose, it's on board computer system wouldn't allow it to be stolen in the first place - or at least the legitimate owner could shut it down remotely.


          "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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          Nigel Savidge
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          Good point but haven't they thought of that? It is for use on cars driven by their owners as well as stolen ones. I wouldn't mind too much but I am sure that transmitter is not very directional and will knock out anything electronic within 50 meters. It must be possible to shield your computer otherwise the police car would also be disabled!

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            Good point but haven't they thought of that? It is for use on cars driven by their owners as well as stolen ones. I wouldn't mind too much but I am sure that transmitter is not very directional and will knock out anything electronic within 50 meters. It must be possible to shield your computer otherwise the police car would also be disabled!

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            Nigel Savidge wrote: It must be possible to shield your computer otherwise the police car would also be disabled! I think the transmitter is a parabola like a satellite dish. I would hope the directionality is tight because I wouldn't want to be driving by on the other side of the road when they let that thing off. Nigel Savidge wrote: It must be possible to shield your computer I would guess a Faraday cage would do it, but that wouldn't be very practical unless it can be build into the car's structure.


            "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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              Nigel Savidge wrote: It must be possible to shield your computer otherwise the police car would also be disabled! I think the transmitter is a parabola like a satellite dish. I would hope the directionality is tight because I wouldn't want to be driving by on the other side of the road when they let that thing off. Nigel Savidge wrote: It must be possible to shield your computer I would guess a Faraday cage would do it, but that wouldn't be very practical unless it can be build into the car's structure.


              "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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              Nigel Savidge
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              Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I think the transmitter is a parabola like a satellite dish. I would hope the directionality is tight because I wouldn't want to be driving by on the other side of the road when they let that thing off. I think not - have you looked at the picture and also do you know a way to get that sort of power out of a microwave dish? Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I would guess a Faraday cage would do it, but that wouldn't be very practical unless it can be build into the car's structure. Cars are already Faraday cages - at least thats the explanation always given when talking about lightning.

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                Nigel Savidge wrote: It must be possible to shield your computer otherwise the police car would also be disabled! I think the transmitter is a parabola like a satellite dish. I would hope the directionality is tight because I wouldn't want to be driving by on the other side of the road when they let that thing off. Nigel Savidge wrote: It must be possible to shield your computer I would guess a Faraday cage would do it, but that wouldn't be very practical unless it can be build into the car's structure.


                "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                Gary Thom
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                A car is basically a faraday cage (its one of the safest places to be in a thunderstorm).. That aside, I think I will switch profession, to law! :-D Think of all those lovely lawsuits by the families of the criminals (and innocent car owners) who have their pacemakers disrupted.. I'm going to make a fortune! :) Every tried driving a heavy car after the engine stalls? Power steering stops, and what about ABS, does it failsafe to STOP? :eek: Gary "A fellow with the inventiveness of Albert Einstein but with the attention span of Daffy Duck." Tom Shales talking about Robin Williams

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                  Is your computer is close to a road - this may cause it to crash: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3890127.stm[^] :~

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                  Both of these systems suffer from the problem that the assumption is that the police car is ahead of the runaway car, and from what i have seen and heard about car chases, this is often the main problem and hardest thing for the police driver to do! Hence the reason the chase takes so long? If they cant get in front these systems can't halt a chase, so surely these systems are not gonna end chases earlier? Also lets assume the chase is ended isn't there the risk of financial claims from the car owner for damage to their vehicle? I wouldnt want my Clio Sport getting its electrics messed with even if it is for only a few seconds - how coud i be sure its not been screwed up? Anyway just my thoughts Simon Wren simon.wren@nesltd.co.uk Senior Software Architect National Energy Services Ltd Visit Us: www.nesltd.co.uk or: www.nher.co.uk

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                    Both of these systems suffer from the problem that the assumption is that the police car is ahead of the runaway car, and from what i have seen and heard about car chases, this is often the main problem and hardest thing for the police driver to do! Hence the reason the chase takes so long? If they cant get in front these systems can't halt a chase, so surely these systems are not gonna end chases earlier? Also lets assume the chase is ended isn't there the risk of financial claims from the car owner for damage to their vehicle? I wouldnt want my Clio Sport getting its electrics messed with even if it is for only a few seconds - how coud i be sure its not been screwed up? Anyway just my thoughts Simon Wren simon.wren@nesltd.co.uk Senior Software Architect National Energy Services Ltd Visit Us: www.nesltd.co.uk or: www.nher.co.uk

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                    Nigel Savidge
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                    I guess they couldnt fire it forward or it would get the police cars engine:confused:??

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                      Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I think the transmitter is a parabola like a satellite dish. I would hope the directionality is tight because I wouldn't want to be driving by on the other side of the road when they let that thing off. I think not - have you looked at the picture and also do you know a way to get that sort of power out of a microwave dish? Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I would guess a Faraday cage would do it, but that wouldn't be very practical unless it can be build into the car's structure. Cars are already Faraday cages - at least thats the explanation always given when talking about lightning.

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                      Colin Angus Mackay
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                      Nigel Savidge wrote: Cars are already Faraday cages - at least thats the explanation always given when talking about lightning I thought cars were increasingly made of plastic, so that it was just the chasse(sp?) that was metalic and all the rest of the body work was plastic.


                      "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                        Nigel Savidge wrote: Cars are already Faraday cages - at least thats the explanation always given when talking about lightning I thought cars were increasingly made of plastic, so that it was just the chasse(sp?) that was metalic and all the rest of the body work was plastic.


                        "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                        Nigel Savidge
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                        The car in front of me is made from carbon fibre - both body and chassis (sp;)) - I guess that would be quite safe.

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