Anyone see the 60 Minutes segment on undercover marketing?
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/60minutes/main579657.shtml[^]
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So? You want to be left alone? You make others responsible for what you buy? Fekkin Privacy, you are doing it for the greater goods of all! Happiness Through Capitalism! There is a long way between "being responsible for one's decisions" and "making money on people who failed to".
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So? You want to be left alone? You make others responsible for what you buy? Fekkin Privacy, you are doing it for the greater goods of all! Happiness Through Capitalism! There is a long way between "being responsible for one's decisions" and "making money on people who failed to".
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
sighist || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: So? You want to be left alone? You make others responsible for what you buy? Nice job of making assumptions. Yeah that is a bit toned down from my first thought. I didn’t post an opinion about it because I don't have one. I didn't know i needed an opinion to post something I thought others might find interesting. I was going to vote on your post but I couldn't find a number low enough.
Hate is not a family value.
-pete
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/60minutes/main579657.shtml[^]
Hate is not a family value.
-pete
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peterchen wrote: So? You want to be left alone? You make others responsible for what you buy? Nice job of making assumptions. Yeah that is a bit toned down from my first thought. I didn’t post an opinion about it because I don't have one. I didn't know i needed an opinion to post something I thought others might find interesting. I was going to vote on your post but I couldn't find a number low enough.
Hate is not a family value.
-pete
palbano wrote: but I couldn't find a number low enough. seems to be a skill I developed recently. You could start with a one and hope that others chime in...
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So? You want to be left alone? You make others responsible for what you buy? Fekkin Privacy, you are doing it for the greater goods of all! Happiness Through Capitalism! There is a long way between "being responsible for one's decisions" and "making money on people who failed to".
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
sighist || Agile Programming | doxygenOMG dude, make some sense won't you? What's your point? What does undercover marketing have to do with privacy or Capitalism? Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
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OMG dude, make some sense won't you? What's your point? What does undercover marketing have to do with privacy or Capitalism? Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
In my home town, there was a building with a huge sign of a local soft drink maker. I always thought The sign is there simply because they make bottles there. Only when I was ten or eleven I realized that it's merely there to make you drink their product, and for years, the building was still "the factory" in my thoughts. That's the attitude towards advertisement I grew up in. I know radio stations 24hrs without any advertisement (except for programs of the staiton itself - and not more than once an hour) I grew up without advertisement on TV. "Privacy" here does not mean noone knowing what I am doing, but just everybody getting off my back. Giving me the freedom to inform myself. I have no reason to praise that society, but let it be known that it worked with very limited amounts. And the world was more beautiful back then. Just a week ago, in the center of my city, five huge chestnut trees, planted soon after WW2, were cut. It weas one of the few downtown places where you could sit down after a shopping spree or a tour through the historic center, have a snack, shadowed from the sun, protected form the rain. Reason: The shops around it complained that their Advertisement signs were not properly visible from afar, which would give them a competitive disadvantage, and they would move out of the city center if "nothing would bedone about it". The city folded. Advertisements not having anything to do with capitalism? Give me a break.
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
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In my home town, there was a building with a huge sign of a local soft drink maker. I always thought The sign is there simply because they make bottles there. Only when I was ten or eleven I realized that it's merely there to make you drink their product, and for years, the building was still "the factory" in my thoughts. That's the attitude towards advertisement I grew up in. I know radio stations 24hrs without any advertisement (except for programs of the staiton itself - and not more than once an hour) I grew up without advertisement on TV. "Privacy" here does not mean noone knowing what I am doing, but just everybody getting off my back. Giving me the freedom to inform myself. I have no reason to praise that society, but let it be known that it worked with very limited amounts. And the world was more beautiful back then. Just a week ago, in the center of my city, five huge chestnut trees, planted soon after WW2, were cut. It weas one of the few downtown places where you could sit down after a shopping spree or a tour through the historic center, have a snack, shadowed from the sun, protected form the rain. Reason: The shops around it complained that their Advertisement signs were not properly visible from afar, which would give them a competitive disadvantage, and they would move out of the city center if "nothing would bedone about it". The city folded. Advertisements not having anything to do with capitalism? Give me a break.
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
sighist || Agile Programming | doxygen -
In my home town, there was a building with a huge sign of a local soft drink maker. I always thought The sign is there simply because they make bottles there. Only when I was ten or eleven I realized that it's merely there to make you drink their product, and for years, the building was still "the factory" in my thoughts. That's the attitude towards advertisement I grew up in. I know radio stations 24hrs without any advertisement (except for programs of the staiton itself - and not more than once an hour) I grew up without advertisement on TV. "Privacy" here does not mean noone knowing what I am doing, but just everybody getting off my back. Giving me the freedom to inform myself. I have no reason to praise that society, but let it be known that it worked with very limited amounts. And the world was more beautiful back then. Just a week ago, in the center of my city, five huge chestnut trees, planted soon after WW2, were cut. It weas one of the few downtown places where you could sit down after a shopping spree or a tour through the historic center, have a snack, shadowed from the sun, protected form the rain. Reason: The shops around it complained that their Advertisement signs were not properly visible from afar, which would give them a competitive disadvantage, and they would move out of the city center if "nothing would bedone about it". The city folded. Advertisements not having anything to do with capitalism? Give me a break.
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
sighist || Agile Programming | doxygenOK, so you don't like advertising. You don't like someone persuading you to buy their product or use their service. And I agree that it can be annoying at times. I myself skip over the commercials when I watch a TV program I've recorded. But I don't deny that advertising is a good thing! It pays for a lot of the things that cost little or no money, like TV, radio, public transportation, newspapers, magazines, and last but not least, websites (like this one). In this case, the article was about undercover advertising, which I have nothing against. When you buy a nice gadget, don't you show it to your friends and family? Haven't you ever said, "Man, I wish they were paying me to endorse this great product."? So what's wrong with people striking up a conversation with you to tell you about some great product or service? Oh, yeah... it's advertising and you don't like that. I would have never guessed it by the links in your sig. peterchen wrote: The city folded Yeah well, the city sucks, not advertising. I've seen some cities here actually go the other way -- make laws to reduce or eliminate billboard advertising. peterchen wrote: Advertisements not having anything to do with capitalism? Give me a break. I was referring to undercover advertising, not advertising in general. BTW, communist countries also use propaganda (false advertising) to brainwash the masses. I'd rather listen to the McDonald's commercials any day. Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
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OK, so you don't like advertising. You don't like someone persuading you to buy their product or use their service. And I agree that it can be annoying at times. I myself skip over the commercials when I watch a TV program I've recorded. But I don't deny that advertising is a good thing! It pays for a lot of the things that cost little or no money, like TV, radio, public transportation, newspapers, magazines, and last but not least, websites (like this one). In this case, the article was about undercover advertising, which I have nothing against. When you buy a nice gadget, don't you show it to your friends and family? Haven't you ever said, "Man, I wish they were paying me to endorse this great product."? So what's wrong with people striking up a conversation with you to tell you about some great product or service? Oh, yeah... it's advertising and you don't like that. I would have never guessed it by the links in your sig. peterchen wrote: The city folded Yeah well, the city sucks, not advertising. I've seen some cities here actually go the other way -- make laws to reduce or eliminate billboard advertising. peterchen wrote: Advertisements not having anything to do with capitalism? Give me a break. I was referring to undercover advertising, not advertising in general. BTW, communist countries also use propaganda (false advertising) to brainwash the masses. I'd rather listen to the McDonald's commercials any day. Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
Alvaro Mendez wrote: OK, so you don't like advertising. To a limited amount, I like it. But it's intruding more and more spaces, that could remain free without competetive harm. I understand that ads are the current societies way to pay for complimentary services - but this very concept has made TV unwatchable except in the post-midnight hours, and radio watered down to a happiness-schmappines 24hrs/7Statios-the-same-shite show. I have no TV, and I don't listen to radio anymore because of that. Alvaro Mendez wrote: When you buy a nice gadget, don't you show it to your friends and family? Yes, and proud. Alvaro Mendez wrote: "Man, I wish they were paying me to endorse this great product."? No. Imagine: if it's so good they get it for free! (free as in beer! (not just speech (but free speech included!))) The city had no other chance under the current economic pressure, with the goal to keep the town center alive. For them, it was the right decision. But we are already at the heart of how capitalism works, and anybody has seen this tree and wants to cut it for his phuketing neon sign on a concrete wall should be buried head down in an ant hill. 50 year old chestnut trees, phuketing god, replaced by concrete and teenee weene mini trees. (And the money spent there would be so much needed somewhere else) BTW, communist countries also use propaganda to brainwash the masses. You arrived at a point I was trying to avoid :rolleyes: Propaganda works due to it's constant presence, and intrusiveness. Yet, Advertising has grown more influencing, more intrusive, more broad-band more non-escapable than every propaganda I was exposed to. Advertising has decided to go beyond "product information", go the way of propaganda. Being against it means questioning the system, doing something against tells you pretty quickly where this "freedom" thing ends. Advertising is propaganda for capitalism. (this can be taken quite literally - commie propaganda isn't usually as simple as "commies good, capies bad" - rather it focuses on small goodies and byproducts - not unlike product ads) And reverse - popaganda isn't as terrible as you think - you just skip it. Just the unskippable part is what causes problems anyway.
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