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    Matt W
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    After playing around with the various Windows XP betas and release candidates, I have come to the conclusion that there are two main changes from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. 1. The GUI. Microsoft calls it the Inductive User Interface (ICI). 2. And the product activation system. Besides these is there any real changes under the hood? Or just the bits and pieces that would not squeeze into the Windows 2000 release date? :confused: Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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      After playing around with the various Windows XP betas and release candidates, I have come to the conclusion that there are two main changes from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. 1. The GUI. Microsoft calls it the Inductive User Interface (ICI). 2. And the product activation system. Besides these is there any real changes under the hood? Or just the bits and pieces that would not squeeze into the Windows 2000 release date? :confused: Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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      Anders Molin
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      There's also a lot of other changes. It supports a lot more hardware than Win2k, and it runs a lot of software way better (games). - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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        After playing around with the various Windows XP betas and release candidates, I have come to the conclusion that there are two main changes from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. 1. The GUI. Microsoft calls it the Inductive User Interface (ICI). 2. And the product activation system. Besides these is there any real changes under the hood? Or just the bits and pieces that would not squeeze into the Windows 2000 release date? :confused: Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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        You forgot the major addition: 3. Compatability Mode - this allows Windows XP to use most Win9x software etc that Win2000 can't use due to compatability issues. Compatability Mode even lets you play DOS games (duke nukem 3d etc) under WinXP with full resolution VESA and full audio that wasn't possible under Win2000. Also: 4. Remote Admin mode (basically single session terminal server) so you can use you PC from anywhere. 5. Termination of dual windows versions (ie. nonNT (Win95/98/ME) and NT based (WinNT/Win2000) OS). From now on Windows will be NT based only. (this merge was meant to occur with Win95 but was delayed as most hardware/software manufacters were not ready) 6. XP is designed to have Win2000 stability but with the usability of Win9x so that win9x users who would not understand Win2000 can use XP (installer has also been simplified).

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          You forgot the major addition: 3. Compatability Mode - this allows Windows XP to use most Win9x software etc that Win2000 can't use due to compatability issues. Compatability Mode even lets you play DOS games (duke nukem 3d etc) under WinXP with full resolution VESA and full audio that wasn't possible under Win2000. Also: 4. Remote Admin mode (basically single session terminal server) so you can use you PC from anywhere. 5. Termination of dual windows versions (ie. nonNT (Win95/98/ME) and NT based (WinNT/Win2000) OS). From now on Windows will be NT based only. (this merge was meant to occur with Win95 but was delayed as most hardware/software manufacters were not ready) 6. XP is designed to have Win2000 stability but with the usability of Win9x so that win9x users who would not understand Win2000 can use XP (installer has also been simplified).

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          I'm wondering if there is still a lot of people playing games under DOS? In my opinion the very big change is the merging of the Win9X and NT systems. What a big change, in a few years when most of the systems will be at least XP, we won't have to develop for 3 or 4 systems (Win95, Win98, NT4, win2000, ...) but just for one!!! Serge :)

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            I'm wondering if there is still a lot of people playing games under DOS? In my opinion the very big change is the merging of the Win9X and NT systems. What a big change, in a few years when most of the systems will be at least XP, we won't have to develop for 3 or 4 systems (Win95, Win98, NT4, win2000, ...) but just for one!!! Serge :)

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            Simon Capewell
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            OK we'll have much similar APIs to work with, but we'll still be getting a new operating system from MS every 2 years or so and I'm sure we'll need to test on them instead :(

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              You forgot the major addition: 3. Compatability Mode - this allows Windows XP to use most Win9x software etc that Win2000 can't use due to compatability issues. Compatability Mode even lets you play DOS games (duke nukem 3d etc) under WinXP with full resolution VESA and full audio that wasn't possible under Win2000. Also: 4. Remote Admin mode (basically single session terminal server) so you can use you PC from anywhere. 5. Termination of dual windows versions (ie. nonNT (Win95/98/ME) and NT based (WinNT/Win2000) OS). From now on Windows will be NT based only. (this merge was meant to occur with Win95 but was delayed as most hardware/software manufacters were not ready) 6. XP is designed to have Win2000 stability but with the usability of Win9x so that win9x users who would not understand Win2000 can use XP (installer has also been simplified).

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              3. is not corrected. Since SP2 Win2K knows that compatibility mode as well.


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                OK we'll have much similar APIs to work with, but we'll still be getting a new operating system from MS every 2 years or so and I'm sure we'll need to test on them instead :(

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                Serge Weinstock
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                Yes and no. For example, if you target your product for the international market, writing a unicode application really simplifies the job. Now (I mean in a few years when the XP base will be big enough), we will be able to develop only unicode applications and so we will avoid the hell of DBCS strings, codepages, .... Serge

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                  After playing around with the various Windows XP betas and release candidates, I have come to the conclusion that there are two main changes from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. 1. The GUI. Microsoft calls it the Inductive User Interface (ICI). 2. And the product activation system. Besides these is there any real changes under the hood? Or just the bits and pieces that would not squeeze into the Windows 2000 release date? :confused: Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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                  Hi All, I'm not subscribed to MSDN at the moment - does the XP as shipped in MSDN also required this product activation thingy everytime I change the colour / shape / hair style of the computer? I plan to resubscribe when XP is finally released. Old Simon HB9DRV

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                    After playing around with the various Windows XP betas and release candidates, I have come to the conclusion that there are two main changes from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. 1. The GUI. Microsoft calls it the Inductive User Interface (ICI). 2. And the product activation system. Besides these is there any real changes under the hood? Or just the bits and pieces that would not squeeze into the Windows 2000 release date? :confused: Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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                    Steven Hicks n 1
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                    Use linux its a lot better and more advanced. And it doesn't have the BS that Windows calls a User INterface Visit Ltpb.8m.com Surf the web faster than ever: http://www.404Browser.com

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                      Use linux its a lot better and more advanced. And it doesn't have the BS that Windows calls a User INterface Visit Ltpb.8m.com Surf the web faster than ever: http://www.404Browser.com

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                      Jim A Johnson
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                      Why are you here?

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                        Use linux its a lot better and more advanced. And it doesn't have the BS that Windows calls a User INterface Visit Ltpb.8m.com Surf the web faster than ever: http://www.404Browser.com

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                        realJSOP
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                        I personally like the Windows user interface, but I don't like the way Microsoft does business. No XP for me. Now, if someone could PLEASE tell me how to make my Mandrake 8.0 installation connect to the internet all the way, I'd be a truly happy camper (for a while, anyway). :-)

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                          Why are you here?

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                          Ahhh, another religious battle. :-)

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                            Ahhh, another religious battle. :-)

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                            Steven Hicks n 1
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                            I am a Visual C++ developer but i have tried linux (I have seen the light ! ;) ), I still use windows. The user interface is not too far off from windows. The bs i am referring to is the outragous product activation. Visit Ltpb.8m.com Surf the web faster than ever: http://www.404Browser.com

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                              Hi All, I'm not subscribed to MSDN at the moment - does the XP as shipped in MSDN also required this product activation thingy everytime I change the colour / shape / hair style of the computer? I plan to resubscribe when XP is finally released. Old Simon HB9DRV

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                              Yes the latest version of XP that comes in the MSDN requires activation. Earlier versions can be disabled using a registry key. As far as I know you can do upgrade most items ie video card, more RAM, etc without requiring reactivation, but big changes will require the process. Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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                                Yes the latest version of XP that comes in the MSDN requires activation. Earlier versions can be disabled using a registry key. As far as I know you can do upgrade most items ie video card, more RAM, etc without requiring reactivation, but big changes will require the process. Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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                                Richard Lund
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                                On a slightly related note: With my box copy of Windows, am I allowed to install it twice on the same PC, (ie. dual-boot it) or do I have to own two copies for that? I've always figured that this was acceptable, but if the two images are on separate physical disks, I'm wondering if product activation will think the hardware is different. Anyone tried this with the MSDN XP release? Rich.

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                                  On a slightly related note: With my box copy of Windows, am I allowed to install it twice on the same PC, (ie. dual-boot it) or do I have to own two copies for that? I've always figured that this was acceptable, but if the two images are on separate physical disks, I'm wondering if product activation will think the hardware is different. Anyone tried this with the MSDN XP release? Rich.

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                                  Matt W
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                                  I am not sure on whether what you propose is legal or not. You will have to have a look at the EULA (End User License Agreement) that XP will come with. As for whether it is technologically possible, I have not tried. My understanding is that each installation of the operating system does require activation. Personally I think what you propose is unlikely to be legal or technologically possible with serious (illegal) tampering, but I am no expert. Take a look at the MS product activation FAQ. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/overviews/activation.asp :) Matt ------ Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

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