Cheerful topic: US lost 400K tech jobs
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KevinMac wrote: We may be rebounding I think we did rebound a bit during the summer, but there seems to me that there was a bit of a slump after that and we are in the middle of downturn, now. That is just my impression. I've met alot of Brits, but they have been around my part of the world for quite a while. My opinion is that Britain is overcrowded and they are happy to see our wide open spaces, and relatively low property costs. British emigration is not a new phenomenon at all, and of course many of us are at least part British under the skin.
Personally I prefer HB1Visa to outsourcing just because I think it makes the US a more diverse and interesting place. He blamed his wife on wanting to stay here but, my impression was that he liked the work the 3000 sft house and two cars. He did mention that it was hard to find work and the houses are very expensive in Britain. I was not certain what he was talking about but it seems that taxes are over 50% of your income which I think is a little high. But let me tell you he could drink beer do not take him out drinking unless he is footing the bill! The whole time he was talking about how weak our beer was and throwing them back like we were at the lemonade stand. I ended up broke and hungover.:)
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KevinMac wrote: We may be rebounding I think we did rebound a bit during the summer, but there seems to me that there was a bit of a slump after that and we are in the middle of downturn, now. That is just my impression. I've met alot of Brits, but they have been around my part of the world for quite a while. My opinion is that Britain is overcrowded and they are happy to see our wide open spaces, and relatively low property costs. British emigration is not a new phenomenon at all, and of course many of us are at least part British under the skin.
I worked for Virgin Games for a while in LA and there were a lot of Brits there. We took 2 hour lunches where they drank heavily (which was nothing to them). Great bunch of guys but boy they could drink.
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From the article :- "Companies are producing more products without needing to hire workers," he said. Most jobs here, including manufacturing jobs, have been lost to productivity improvements from technology, not outsourcing or moving abroad, Levy said. Interesting! .NET perhaps?
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It was a pretty good article. I agree with the assessment that it will never return to the "good old days." The cold reality is that during the bubble years, the high tech industray had massive overemployment and far too many overstaffed silly projects that made no economic sense. Companies are coming to their senses and targeting their IT dollars much better. Instead of rewriting their key systems on a continual basis, they are defining what they need and writing the key systems once. (They are also not feeding the Anderson Consulting, Perot Systems and other consulting companies who wrote crap then charged huge maintenance fees to fix their own garbage.) (Do note that at the end of the article, some of the analysts who did the study said they were seeing signs of a rebound in non-manufacturing high-tech--that's us.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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I believe most of this was a result of serious over employment caused by the Y2K bug (feature - hey I knew about this in the early 1980s) and the internet boom. Both were aboud dead when 9/11 occured and the stock market crashed big time companies realized to return to profitability they had to cut back. John
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It was a pretty good article. I agree with the assessment that it will never return to the "good old days." The cold reality is that during the bubble years, the high tech industray had massive overemployment and far too many overstaffed silly projects that made no economic sense. Companies are coming to their senses and targeting their IT dollars much better. Instead of rewriting their key systems on a continual basis, they are defining what they need and writing the key systems once. (They are also not feeding the Anderson Consulting, Perot Systems and other consulting companies who wrote crap then charged huge maintenance fees to fix their own garbage.) (Do note that at the end of the article, some of the analysts who did the study said they were seeing signs of a rebound in non-manufacturing high-tech--that's us.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote: They are also not feeding the Anderson Consulting, Perot Systems and other consulting companies who wrote crap then charged huge maintenance fees to fix their own garbage.) I gotta agree with that. I think a lot of that happened because companies had management that were 100% IT ignorant, and that has now changed. Those consulting companies still have their claws into quite a few companies though. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
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I worked for Virgin Games for a while in LA and there were a lot of Brits there. We took 2 hour lunches where they drank heavily (which was nothing to them). Great bunch of guys but boy they could drink.
The consuption of large ammounts of alcohol at any possible oppertunity is kind of a national pastime. Pubs tend to be the center of many people's social lives, so we often develop a high tolerance to alcohol. Unlike our continental friends, we generaly don't eat when drinking - hence the drunken swashbuckling activities around sporting events. Where do you septics go of an evening to meet your pals? I assume its quite similar if you live in a metropolitan area. Having to drive everywhere kind of cramps your drinking :) Ryan.
It's yet another shock to our system to discover that not only are we not the centre of the Universe and we're not made of anything, but we started out as some kind of slime and got to where we are via being a monkey. It just doesn't read well.
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The consuption of large ammounts of alcohol at any possible oppertunity is kind of a national pastime. Pubs tend to be the center of many people's social lives, so we often develop a high tolerance to alcohol. Unlike our continental friends, we generaly don't eat when drinking - hence the drunken swashbuckling activities around sporting events. Where do you septics go of an evening to meet your pals? I assume its quite similar if you live in a metropolitan area. Having to drive everywhere kind of cramps your drinking :) Ryan.
It's yet another shock to our system to discover that not only are we not the centre of the Universe and we're not made of anything, but we started out as some kind of slime and got to where we are via being a monkey. It just doesn't read well.
Douglas AdamsRyan Roberts wrote: Having to drive everywhere kind of cramps your drinking And hence, "locals" :-D I like my local, they know what I drink and have busty barmaids. Oh, and I like your sig :-)
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Ryan Roberts wrote: Having to drive everywhere kind of cramps your drinking And hence, "locals" :-D I like my local, they know what I drink and have busty barmaids. Oh, and I like your sig :-)
and you live where again? (starts planning his next trip to jolly ole England). :-D
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It was a pretty good article. I agree with the assessment that it will never return to the "good old days." The cold reality is that during the bubble years, the high tech industray had massive overemployment and far too many overstaffed silly projects that made no economic sense. Companies are coming to their senses and targeting their IT dollars much better. Instead of rewriting their key systems on a continual basis, they are defining what they need and writing the key systems once. (They are also not feeding the Anderson Consulting, Perot Systems and other consulting companies who wrote crap then charged huge maintenance fees to fix their own garbage.) (Do note that at the end of the article, some of the analysts who did the study said they were seeing signs of a rebound in non-manufacturing high-tech--that's us.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
so true.