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Cathy, I sincerely hope I am proved wrong on both counts. But look on the bright side; breakable encryption keeps us in our jobs (even if you don't directly do encryption you probably need to upgrade your systems to take advantage of the latest encryption system). Also un-breakable encryption could be used for good AND bad. For planning terrorist attacks, ones in which no one may ever know about until too late. Crumbs I really need a happy thought right now, everything is doom & gloom and I am not helping. *wanders off to make a cup of tea, anybody want? happiness is a cup of tea every 45 minutes* :-D regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Check the other reply to your message... one more reason why I hope it is them or that they are somehow involved. They have caused so much grief in so many peoples histories. We, here in Cape Town, have been in direct line of fire from them (a dozen or so car bombs were detonated in and around Cape Town last year) so I hold no love for them or their ways. Fanatical anything is bad... fanatical OS lovers too :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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..."I mean, this certainly gives Bush the backing that he needed to go ahead with the missile shield everyone had been opposing him on. It also gives Israel the US backing it's been missing lately. Hmmm..."... Firstly it does the complete opposite of supporting the missile defense shield. CNN is already scorning the missile shield and calling for the money to be spent on internal terrorist protection. As we have seen it is not ICBMs America should be fearing but rather it's own planes and already planted terrorists. Secondly I hope America does give Israel the support it needs and I hope every other moral and free country joins them. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
Frankly, I don't care about the opinion of some liberal working for CNN. The fact is we need to protect America. And a missile defense shield is one way. Beefing up airport security is certainly another. But one doesn't negate the other. Regards, Alvaro
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Frankly, I don't care about the opinion of some liberal working for CNN. The fact is we need to protect America. And a missile defense shield is one way. Beefing up airport security is certainly another. But one doesn't negate the other. Regards, Alvaro
As a friend of mine put it, nobody is going to be stupid enough to fire a tracable, interceptible missile at someone like the US. Sadly, 21st-century warfare seems to be shifting towards terrorism -- since you can't beat a powerful country with a "normal" attack, you attack their civilians and economic/political/social base. We don't need a missile shield to prevent non-existant nukes from hitting our country, we need an improved way to deal with terrorism.
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Frankly, I don't care about the opinion of some liberal working for CNN. The fact is we need to protect America. And a missile defense shield is one way. Beefing up airport security is certainly another. But one doesn't negate the other. Regards, Alvaro
Well the same sentiment has been expressed on both Sky News and BBC not to mention our own third-world media networks. I tend to agree with them, though a missile shield is neccesary too. Also, frankly, someone has to first display a workable missile defense shield before one can spend vast amounts of money on implementing a half-assed, problem ridden idea. One of my favourite problems with Bush's proposed shield is that in some scenarios the warheads (in his plan only the propulsion system is targeted and destroyed, not the warheads) will fall on European countries, possibly detonating as their fail-safe anti-tampering devices kick in. Do American ppl really want a shield which could potentially kill tens-of-thousands in Europe? I sincerely hope not. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Oh I can see the headlines: Broken Windows on Air Force One Lead To Hijacking Reports confirm that a russian hacker has taken control of Air Force One though the much ballyhooed FAA Remote Control software, designed to combat hijackings. Sources say the russian, Boris Linuxlover, used a well known security in Outlook activating an insecure ActiveX component which allows emails to be sent to the FAA Remote Control software. The Russian states he is merely pointing out some security holes, but officials are not amused and want the plane back. *anyone offended by this please realise I am in no way making fun of todays happenings, I just want to make a point that remote control for planes is a bad idea regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
WTF. why do you even bring Linux into this ? what a stupid fucking thing to say. Linux is about people sharing and helping each other, not about socialism or communism or any fucking othe ism. give it a rest. ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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You're right on about the lack of security becoming a major issue. I'm actually kind of suspicious about the whole thing. I mean, how the hell could it had been that possible to hijack 4 planes in one day??? And usually when someone hijacks a plane the pilot immediately tells ground control about it. In this case, nothing. It's almost as if the pilots were the terrorists themselves. I don't know, the whole things smells bad. I also remember hearing somewhere that the Pearl Harbor attack was actually known by the US government before it happened. But they let it just happen so that it would make the whole country want to go to war. In this case I can't help but wonder if there isn't some sort of secret conspiracy behind the whole thing... I mean, this certainly gives Bush the backing that he needed to go ahead with the missile shield everyone had been opposing him on. It also gives Israel the US backing it's been missing lately. Hmmm... Let's hope it was just as it seemed: some legitimate terrorists who wanted to... well, terrorize the hell out of us. And let's hope we can accurately identify them and blow them up so neither they nor anyone else repeats this same horrific act. Regards, Alvaro
Unfortunately, the security at American airports is not as good as it should be. I think it was 20/20 (or maybe 60 Minutes) that just a few years ago did some investigating on this issue. They were able to get their staff into secured areas without identification, even onto airplanes being prepped for service. We may have had some indications a few weeks ago that "something" was going to happen. But then it becomes a case of what and when. I truly hate to say this - but that SOB was very smart and very good. A lot of resources, time, and money went into this. Just the sheer magnitude of the destruction he has caused is staggering. But that was Round 1. Now it's our turn. And I hope that when we get done with him - there isn't enough to put it an envelope. :mad: Phil Boyd MCP "I took the road less traveled..."
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You're right on about the lack of security becoming a major issue. I'm actually kind of suspicious about the whole thing. I mean, how the hell could it had been that possible to hijack 4 planes in one day??? And usually when someone hijacks a plane the pilot immediately tells ground control about it. In this case, nothing. It's almost as if the pilots were the terrorists themselves. I don't know, the whole things smells bad. I also remember hearing somewhere that the Pearl Harbor attack was actually known by the US government before it happened. But they let it just happen so that it would make the whole country want to go to war. In this case I can't help but wonder if there isn't some sort of secret conspiracy behind the whole thing... I mean, this certainly gives Bush the backing that he needed to go ahead with the missile shield everyone had been opposing him on. It also gives Israel the US backing it's been missing lately. Hmmm... Let's hope it was just as it seemed: some legitimate terrorists who wanted to... well, terrorize the hell out of us. And let's hope we can accurately identify them and blow them up so neither they nor anyone else repeats this same horrific act. Regards, Alvaro
I don't think the missile shield would have worked in this case...
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WTF. why do you even bring Linux into this ? what a stupid fucking thing to say. Linux is about people sharing and helping each other, not about socialism or communism or any fucking othe ism. give it a rest. ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
He mentioned Windows as well so it was a balanced piss take. If you read the whole message, disclaimer included it was about the stupidity of remote control of an airliner. Nothing to do with OS wars or trivialising the terrorist incidents that have happened. Calm down. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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He mentioned Windows as well so it was a balanced piss take. If you read the whole message, disclaimer included it was about the stupidity of remote control of an airliner. Nothing to do with OS wars or trivialising the terrorist incidents that have happened. Calm down. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Thanks Michael. It was late and I probably shouldn't have even written the piss-take but nonetheless, thank you. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Oh I can see the headlines: Broken Windows on Air Force One Lead To Hijacking Reports confirm that a russian hacker has taken control of Air Force One though the much ballyhooed FAA Remote Control software, designed to combat hijackings. Sources say the russian, Boris Linuxlover, used a well known security in Outlook activating an insecure ActiveX component which allows emails to be sent to the FAA Remote Control software. The Russian states he is merely pointing out some security holes, but officials are not amused and want the plane back. *anyone offended by this please realise I am in no way making fun of todays happenings, I just want to make a point that remote control for planes is a bad idea regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
lol! (2b || !2b)
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WTF. why do you even bring Linux into this ? what a stupid fucking thing to say. Linux is about people sharing and helping each other, not about socialism or communism or any fucking othe ism. give it a rest. ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
Hey Chris, as I said (did you read the whole post?) I was in no way taking anything away from the days events (which is why I assume you really reacted so badly to my post, it's been a bad day for us all and we don't always think rationally). Plus you may have noticed that actually Windows ended up being the butt of the joke. I also never said Linux was some communist plot or some socialist gathering. I know friends from Palestine, Libya, Russia, America and even Timbuktu who all swear by Linux. That does not make it a terrorist, communist, red kneck village-idiot inspired product, now does it? If you have something against Russians then you had better get over it ok? There are a lot of good people in a lot of bad places and vice versa. Just because I use Windows does not make me a capitalist pig (I am a capitalist because money means I can eat at night and lead a productive life). So once again my disclaimer runs along the lines of "sorry if this offends you but that is not its intention", also humour is indeed a good medicine. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Why can't they install remote control devices on all airplains so that if an airplane goes off course we can overide the cockpit controls and control it from the ground?
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He mentioned Windows as well so it was a balanced piss take. If you read the whole message, disclaimer included it was about the stupidity of remote control of an airliner. Nothing to do with OS wars or trivialising the terrorist incidents that have happened. Calm down. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
i read the whole message, and i realize it's a joke. but it's a joke that's offensive to me for a number of reasons, one of which is the assumption that Linux users are dangerous shady characters. as a Linux user, i am offended. -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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Hey Chris, as I said (did you read the whole post?) I was in no way taking anything away from the days events (which is why I assume you really reacted so badly to my post, it's been a bad day for us all and we don't always think rationally). Plus you may have noticed that actually Windows ended up being the butt of the joke. I also never said Linux was some communist plot or some socialist gathering. I know friends from Palestine, Libya, Russia, America and even Timbuktu who all swear by Linux. That does not make it a terrorist, communist, red kneck village-idiot inspired product, now does it? If you have something against Russians then you had better get over it ok? There are a lot of good people in a lot of bad places and vice versa. Just because I use Windows does not make me a capitalist pig (I am a capitalist because money means I can eat at night and lead a productive life). So once again my disclaimer runs along the lines of "sorry if this offends you but that is not its intention", also humour is indeed a good medicine. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
you implied that Linux users are dangerous shady and out to cause trouble. that offends me, regardless of the WTC events. -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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Oh I can see the headlines: Broken Windows on Air Force One Lead To Hijacking Reports confirm that a russian hacker has taken control of Air Force One though the much ballyhooed FAA Remote Control software, designed to combat hijackings. Sources say the russian, Boris Linuxlover, used a well known security in Outlook activating an insecure ActiveX component which allows emails to be sent to the FAA Remote Control software. The Russian states he is merely pointing out some security holes, but officials are not amused and want the plane back. *anyone offended by this please realise I am in no way making fun of todays happenings, I just want to make a point that remote control for planes is a bad idea regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
As I think about this, I agree that remote control would be a very scary proposition. However, Cathy's thought may have some merit. A remote controllable "trigger" (which could also be flipped from the plane) could turn on an on-board auto-landing feature to cause the plane to land at the nearest airport. There already exist quite reliable auto-landing setups, so forcing this sort of thing to happen would remove control away from the pilot and hijackers. Hopefully, there would be little to no benefit for a hijacker to _want_ to force the plane to land safely at the nearest airport... Of course, the U.S. is already developing remote control / A.I. drone airplanes. Maybe the do have a secure remote control system. *doubts it* John
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As I think about this, I agree that remote control would be a very scary proposition. However, Cathy's thought may have some merit. A remote controllable "trigger" (which could also be flipped from the plane) could turn on an on-board auto-landing feature to cause the plane to land at the nearest airport. There already exist quite reliable auto-landing setups, so forcing this sort of thing to happen would remove control away from the pilot and hijackers. Hopefully, there would be little to no benefit for a hijacker to _want_ to force the plane to land safely at the nearest airport... Of course, the U.S. is already developing remote control / A.I. drone airplanes. Maybe the do have a secure remote control system. *doubts it* John
John, very good points and ideas. The "remote force landing" idea could be workable, with some development (I don't think that auto-landing is sophisticated enough yet to really avoid other aircraft (on the tarmack or in the air), right?) but it is a step in the right direction. However it must be made *very* public that there are no backdoor methods to stop the landing once it is forced or the terrorists will simply say "stop the landing or we will blow the aircraft up right here and now". As the counter-terrorism forces say "objective one, get the plane on the ground". ..."Of course, the U.S. is already developing remote control / A.I. drone airplanes. Maybe the do have a secure remote control system"... I had not thought of that and I am sure that this is a good area to cross-develop. Heck every thought is productive in this matter. If we find something does not work then we are simply closer to the right answer :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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As I think about this, I agree that remote control would be a very scary proposition. However, Cathy's thought may have some merit. A remote controllable "trigger" (which could also be flipped from the plane) could turn on an on-board auto-landing feature to cause the plane to land at the nearest airport. There already exist quite reliable auto-landing setups, so forcing this sort of thing to happen would remove control away from the pilot and hijackers. Hopefully, there would be little to no benefit for a hijacker to _want_ to force the plane to land safely at the nearest airport... Of course, the U.S. is already developing remote control / A.I. drone airplanes. Maybe the do have a secure remote control system. *doubts it* John
Just saw this article on New Scientist (got it from Wired.com) on auto landing of an airliner. Seems as though the technology is advanced enough. Also other information on other remote control technology being developed. take care. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
