Hate campaigns in the EU
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Tomaž Štih wrote: That is because this man speaks of his personal views. And? He is a public man, who wants a public function. He has the right to have his opinions, but his opinions can have an influence on his political future. If Benita Ferrero-Waldner declared that in her personal views Americans were arrogant monkeys and Russians underdeveloped barbarians, would she then fit well the post of commissioner for Foreign Affairs? Tomaž Štih wrote: You think he has prejudice againsta a part of the population I don't think, he has, and because he said so! It's like somebody who says that Jews are part of a deicide people and then claim he has no prejudice against jews. This guy consider gays as people deserving Hell, but he has no prejudice against gays, of course X| Tomaž Štih wrote: my wriiting is also part of democratic process I'm not sure anti-parliamentarism is part of a democratic process.
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K(arl) wrote: f Benita Ferrero-Waldner declared that in her personal views Americans were arrogant monkeys In France? Probably ;P Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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A little stilted and un-informative there Tomaz. Who's to say a right-wing christian should be sitting on a Civil Liberties committee? Historically strong right-wing bias has not led itself to a reasonable assessment and protection of civil liberties, but as you clearly state, (every time :-)), neither has a strong left-wing bias. Both political wings generally lead and strive towards more governmental control and a nanny-state mentality, wheras civil liberties should be about freedom from those controls, but protection from unfair treatment because of your views. Homosexuality isn't a sin, and shouldn't be regarded as so as Religion should play no part in politics or policy in the EU, and if marriage exists (as you state Buttiglione believes) to subjegate women to a point of near-slavery shouldn't it be outlawed in order to protect the civil liberties of women? Can you never accept that at times it's perfectly reasonable to doubt someones ability to perform a role due to concerns that their own personal viewpoint could affect the role they're performing and thusly the validitay and legitimacy of the EU as a whole? Don't get me wrong I'm politically middle of the road, and I'd like to see less legislation and nanny state mentality and more freedom from Government, but don't believe it's possible with too strong a bias to the right or left. Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Rhys666 wrote: Homosexuality isn't a sin, and shouldn't be regarded as so as On what basis do you make this assumption ? Is this what you meant to say ? Rhys666 wrote: Religion should play no part in politics or policy in the EU Yes, this is obviously the case. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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The ghost of extreme Marxism, Lacanism, and Chomskism has fathered recent hate campaigns against Neelie Kroes and Rocco Buttiglione in Europe. What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? What made so called "Civil Liberties Committee" reject Buttiglione? He said that "he regards homosexuality as a sin and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband". Personal conviction about family and homosexuality seems to be a crime in Europe. But only if liberal (Am. libertarian) as with Neelie Kroes or conservative as with Rocco Buttiglione. In Europe it is acceptable to be commie, socialist or marxist; but not to go to church, have positive opinions about America and (god forbids) GOP and support low taxes and small goverment. More people in Europe should read books like You can't say that[^]. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: Rocco Buttiglione Tomaž Štih wrote: Personal conviction about family and homosexuality In his designated position, there are no "personal" statements anymore.
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jan larsen wrote: Hah!, if he said that to my girlfriends face, he would find out how hard it is to pick up his teeth with broken fingers In my many years of experience one of the few absolute truths I have learned is never - I repeat - never - go out with a woman who can kick your ass. Its time to move on friend to smoother and gentler pastures. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: Its time to move on friend to smoother and gentler pastures Can't, She'll kick my ass... :-) Besides, we've just got these two[^], so if I left her, I would make her a bad mother in Buttigliones eyes. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus