No Confidence
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... : don't do things that make people want to kill you. I know it's an unpopular way to think about it - but it's really the only one that makes sense. You can't hunt them down and kill them or take over their countries or kill their leaders - you'll just breed a new generation of terrorists. It's that simple. And really, it seems that all they want is for the US to stay the hell out of their lives. We've been fucking around in their business for decades, just to keep oil prices low, and now they've had enough. So, if I was running the show, I'd quit worrying about who to kill and how, and I'd focus on getting the hell out of those countries for good - in all ways : military, economic, humanitarian, religious, political, etc.. Let them all kill each other, oppress each other, fight over sand, whatever they want to do. To hell with em. We'll take our ball and go home. If they want to sell us oil on their own terms, great. If not, we can buy from South America. I'm not saying give in to every two-bit terrorist's demands. But this is bigger than someone bitching about political prisoners - we've been pissing in their sandbox for a long time and they have every right to be mad (not to kill thousands of us, but to be mad, yes). -c (american, but reasonable) ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
First, I doubt that many people in the World Trade Center nor in any of the airplanes had done anything to make al Qida want to kill them. Second, sometimes it's good to do things that make people want to kill you. Martin Luther King provoked a lot of terrorism in his nonviolent fight to bring economic and racial justice to the U.S. and to eliminate war from the world. He should not have and did not desist simply because it was provoking terrorism. Third, and here is where we agree, responding to violence with violence is wrong and counterproductive. Read Martin Luther King's Eulogy for the Martyred Children. King does not call for the terrorists to be brought to justice, "dead or alive," as President Bush has for Osama bin Laden. He did not call for reprisals against the state (Alabama) that harbored the terrorists. Instead, he told his flock,
And so I stand here to say this afternoon to all assembled here, that in spite of the darkness of this hour, we must not despair. We must not become bitter, nor must we harbor the desire to retaliate with violence. No, we must not lose faith in our white brothers. Somehow we must believe that the most misguided among them can learn to respect the dignity and the worth of all human personality.
The United States built up bin Laden and al Qida not to keep oil prices low (our involvement in the Gulf War is one of the things that turned bin Laden against us), but to fight Communism. In the early 1980s, under President Reagan, bin Laden was recruited by intelligence agencies from the U.S., Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan to fight the Communist occupation of Afghanistan. The concept of jihad, which had lain dormant for centuries, was revived to stimulate a fundamentalist Islamic war against the Soviet occupying army and its Afghan pawns. The U.S. alone sent about a billion dollars of aid and advanced armaments to the Mujahideen, including to bin Laden and his supporters. Today innocent Americans reap the whirlwind whose seeds Washington politicians and intelligence operatives planted. We should fear indeed that further violence on our part will only kill more innocents and will not bring peace. The answer is what Dr. King wrote in his Christmas 1967 sermon:
Bomb our homes and threaten our children, and, as difficult as it is, we will still love you. Send your hooded perpetrators of violence into our communities at the
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First, I doubt that many people in the World Trade Center nor in any of the airplanes had done anything to make al Qida want to kill them. Second, sometimes it's good to do things that make people want to kill you. Martin Luther King provoked a lot of terrorism in his nonviolent fight to bring economic and racial justice to the U.S. and to eliminate war from the world. He should not have and did not desist simply because it was provoking terrorism. Third, and here is where we agree, responding to violence with violence is wrong and counterproductive. Read Martin Luther King's Eulogy for the Martyred Children. King does not call for the terrorists to be brought to justice, "dead or alive," as President Bush has for Osama bin Laden. He did not call for reprisals against the state (Alabama) that harbored the terrorists. Instead, he told his flock,
And so I stand here to say this afternoon to all assembled here, that in spite of the darkness of this hour, we must not despair. We must not become bitter, nor must we harbor the desire to retaliate with violence. No, we must not lose faith in our white brothers. Somehow we must believe that the most misguided among them can learn to respect the dignity and the worth of all human personality.
The United States built up bin Laden and al Qida not to keep oil prices low (our involvement in the Gulf War is one of the things that turned bin Laden against us), but to fight Communism. In the early 1980s, under President Reagan, bin Laden was recruited by intelligence agencies from the U.S., Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan to fight the Communist occupation of Afghanistan. The concept of jihad, which had lain dormant for centuries, was revived to stimulate a fundamentalist Islamic war against the Soviet occupying army and its Afghan pawns. The U.S. alone sent about a billion dollars of aid and advanced armaments to the Mujahideen, including to bin Laden and his supporters. Today innocent Americans reap the whirlwind whose seeds Washington politicians and intelligence operatives planted. We should fear indeed that further violence on our part will only kill more innocents and will not bring peace. The answer is what Dr. King wrote in his Christmas 1967 sermon:
Bomb our homes and threaten our children, and, as difficult as it is, we will still love you. Send your hooded perpetrators of violence into our communities at the
excellent points. -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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Soviet Union used to have an even larger border before it split up, I believe, but was able to have it protected.
You're claiming lots of people *wanted* to get into the former USSR ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.