USA's greatest threat, "oil or fat wars"
-
ColinDavies wrote: There is strong reason to believe what happens in rats happens in humans. Rats are way over rated. But that does not disqualify the observation. ColinDavies wrote: An easy solution to the supersizing of the USA alludes me And the rest of the world too. Deurbanization programs, (I do read Mother Earth News. Now I just need my 80 Acres in Northern Idaho.) Fat product taxes, (Already here, just no one notices the medial costs) Education and welfare systems, (Already here, just they do not work) Healthy food stations in inner city areas (they went out of busines, people buy the cheap mass produced stuff most of the time, See Fat Taxes.) I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Rats are way over rated. Yeah, rats make easy guinea pigs, :-):-) compared to humans. You need some correlation between rat's evidence before you can even consider drawing conclusions. - Good luck finding your 80 acres in Northern Idaho, it will make the world of difference. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
-
ColinDavies wrote: Northern Europe I estimate that Sweden is approximately 10 years behind on the fatality front. It's interesting that you see a connection between poverty1 and obesity. I've observed that the level of nutrition quality of food correlates to the price of the food. This will only fuel the problem. Another negative trend that's growing every day is that people (of all classes) have less free time. When the workday is over, late in the evening, it's easy to understand why some people choose to use the McD drive through instead of cooking "real food" when they get home. I'm in that category myself. I often buy a sandwhich/sub with way too much carbs and fat for my well being on my way home. Fortunately, I exercise a lot, so I manage my body quite well. ColinDavies wrote: So my personal conclusion is that the western world will fall to fat long before the war on terrorism can be won It fell a long time ago. We just haven't taken notice yet. But I'm not complaining. This planet is way overcrowded anyway. ;) 1 Poverty is perhaps a too strong word.. should I be using another word? I'm not talking about "afghan farmer/dirt poor" -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
I have read strong evidence supporting the link between western poverty and obesity. There are a whole host of reasons given for it. eg InnerCity residents are poor in densely populated areas, so it is to expensive to build supermarkets where affordable good food types are found. Poorer people are less self conscious about their looks. The fact that the processed foods that the western poor eat are made from rubbish food stuffs. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
-
I have read strong evidence supporting the link between western poverty and obesity. There are a whole host of reasons given for it. eg InnerCity residents are poor in densely populated areas, so it is to expensive to build supermarkets where affordable good food types are found. Poorer people are less self conscious about their looks. The fact that the processed foods that the western poor eat are made from rubbish food stuffs. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
The most important factor might well be that, being on welfare, they are not required to do anything that might actually require them to burn calories. Make them to go out and work for their income, and you might see them sliming down quite a lot.
-
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Poverty is perhaps a too strong word No, it is understood to be relative to the locality. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: it's easy to understand why some people choose to use the McD drive through instead of cooking "real food" when they get home. Have you seen or heard of the movie "Super Size Me"? The realization that it is not just the fatty stuff but also the chemically engineered products is more of a factor than many appreciated. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Have you seen or heard of the movie "Super Size Me"? The realization that it is not just the fatty stuff but also the chemically engineered products is more of a factor than many appreciated. Yes, I've seen it. And yes, the chemicals adds to the problem too. I see little or no difference between the stuff they put in junk food and nicotine. The only difference I can think of off the top of my head is that many of the commercials and ads for junk food are directed towards children. -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
-
The most important factor might well be that, being on welfare, they are not required to do anything that might actually require them to burn calories. Make them to go out and work for their income, and you might see them sliming down quite a lot.
Stan Shannon wrote: Make them to go out and work for their income, and you might see them sliming down quite a lot. I don't think work alone will change much. People such as construction workers, forrest workers, etc, who were normally well built, have begun "fattening up" as well. I can't remember when I last saw a naturally muscular man. Do they exist anymore? :~ -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
-
Stan Shannon wrote: Make them to go out and work for their income, and you might see them sliming down quite a lot. I don't think work alone will change much. People such as construction workers, forrest workers, etc, who were normally well built, have begun "fattening up" as well. I can't remember when I last saw a naturally muscular man. Do they exist anymore? :~ -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: People such as construction workers, forrest workers, etc, who were normally well built, have begun "fattening up" as well. That does seem to be the case. I wonder what other factors are contributing to it. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
-
Stan Shannon wrote: Make them to go out and work for their income, and you might see them sliming down quite a lot. I don't think work alone will change much. People such as construction workers, forrest workers, etc, who were normally well built, have begun "fattening up" as well. I can't remember when I last saw a naturally muscular man. Do they exist anymore? :~ -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I can't remember when I last saw a naturally muscular man. Do they exist anymore? I know what you mean. I grew up in a family of construction workers - men who never lifted weights but had very tough, rugged builds. That is something you don't see a lot these days (not that I spend a lot of time checking out the builds of construction workers :~ ). Still, I remember that my dad ate three huge meals a day. My mother put breafast, dinner and supper on the table and they all consisted of very generous amounts of fatty, fried and starchy food. Yet, while certainly not skinny, the man was not obese either (although he did have a fatal heart attack at 63). There are a lot more fat people in this generation than there was in that generation - and I think the big difference is the amount of physical labor we have to expend to put food on the table more so than the quality of the food itself. I think setting around watching soap operas while draining a bag of chips and a gallon of soda paid for with food stamps will probably put weight on pretty dang fast.
-
A lot of people in the USA beieve terrorism is the greatest threat. I'll agree it is an immediate threat but I believe another threat is floating to the top and will be the great longterm threat. But some scientific stuff I have been reading has got me thinking. In short: If a rat is starved or overfed then the next generations will either be smaller or obese. This can last up to 5 generations, and what appears to occur is that certain genes are turned off or on to influence the offsprings natal state. There is strong reason to believe what happens in rats happens in humans. In the western world obesity is become a big issue especially amongst the poorer segments of the community, this transcends race, religion, or political beliefs. Yes you can have fat, hispanic, protestant, libertarian persons as easy as any other grouping, as long as they are poor. And the poor are also the greatest breeders of our future inhabitants and workers. However the problem facing the future will be will Americans be too fat to work, to go into the military, to fit in polling booths. I haven't got the figures to do the math but I'm sure in 50 yrs there is going to be a serious crisis in the USA with this. The only saving grace is the inflow of immigrants who will be slim enough to perform. However evidence already suggests that their American born children will also suffer from obesity. Part of this problem stems from the serious urbanisation of America - I have been doing a bit of a personal study that shows that the greater the urbanization process is the higher the obesity percentage is. Already the results are showing 'good' results on a number of levels. (micro & macro). Northern Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ are in many ways no different from the USA. However they are not the leaders of the free world. So if the USA falls to obesity they will not be far behind. An easy solution to the supersizing of the USA alludes me, those I can think of are - Deurbanization programs, Fat product taxes, Education and welfare systems, Healthy food stations in inner city areas. None of these are likely to be practible or are what legislators are likely to promote and endorse. So my personal conclusion is that the western world will fall to fat long before the war on terrorism can be won. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
As a solution, i say make the environment exercise friendly. Make broad side walks available on every city street and on every neigborhood street. Companies must start looking seriously into ways to keep people from spending long hours at desk jobs (these are the jobs available in the modern job market), such as much shorter hours where people can do their jobs efficienty in short time spans and also invest in telecommuting so people can work from where ever they choose to. Make major investment in vast public transportation systems so people do not spend as much time riding in cars as they currently do.... Looking for me in cyberspace? I am the electron with the red hat, occupying 3rd sit on the left of the data bus. by the way, perl stinks. "I believe god invented man, because he was disappointed in the monkey" Mark Twain
-
The most important factor might well be that, being on welfare, they are not required to do anything that might actually require them to burn calories. Make them to go out and work for their income, and you might see them sliming down quite a lot.
There are over 40 million poor people in the US, i don't think the amount of people who collect welfare come anywhere close that number. Besides it seems the middle class is as equally fat. Looking for me in cyberspace? I am the electron with the red hat, occupying 3rd sit on the left of the data bus. by the way, perl stinks. "I believe god invented man, because he was disappointed in the monkey" Mark Twain
-
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I can't remember when I last saw a naturally muscular man. Do they exist anymore? I know what you mean. I grew up in a family of construction workers - men who never lifted weights but had very tough, rugged builds. That is something you don't see a lot these days (not that I spend a lot of time checking out the builds of construction workers :~ ). Still, I remember that my dad ate three huge meals a day. My mother put breafast, dinner and supper on the table and they all consisted of very generous amounts of fatty, fried and starchy food. Yet, while certainly not skinny, the man was not obese either (although he did have a fatal heart attack at 63). There are a lot more fat people in this generation than there was in that generation - and I think the big difference is the amount of physical labor we have to expend to put food on the table more so than the quality of the food itself. I think setting around watching soap operas while draining a bag of chips and a gallon of soda paid for with food stamps will probably put weight on pretty dang fast.
-->(not that I spend a lot of time checking out the builds of construction workers ). stay in tha closet, it is much safer in there.:) Looking for me in cyberspace? I am the electron with the red hat, occupying 3rd sit on the left of the data bus. by the way, perl stinks. "I believe god invented man, because he was disappointed in the monkey" Mark Twain
-
As a solution, i say make the environment exercise friendly. Make broad side walks available on every city street and on every neigborhood street. Companies must start looking seriously into ways to keep people from spending long hours at desk jobs (these are the jobs available in the modern job market), such as much shorter hours where people can do their jobs efficienty in short time spans and also invest in telecommuting so people can work from where ever they choose to. Make major investment in vast public transportation systems so people do not spend as much time riding in cars as they currently do.... Looking for me in cyberspace? I am the electron with the red hat, occupying 3rd sit on the left of the data bus. by the way, perl stinks. "I believe god invented man, because he was disappointed in the monkey" Mark Twain
mystro_AKA_kokie wrote: Make major investment in vast public transportation systems so people do not spend as much time riding in cars as they currently do.... Do you really think it makes any difference what kind of transportation people sit on their buts in? Better mass transport is a good idea for other reasons, but I hardly think it would make any difference to this problem...Closing the streets to all powered vehicles would help more, bicycles burn fat, not oil. Why would anyone waste time arguing with an accountant about anything? Their sole function is to record what happenned, and any higher aspirations are mere delusions of grandeur. On the ladder of productive contributions they are the little rubber pads at the bottom that keep the thing from sliding out from under you. - Roger Wright
-
There are over 40 million poor people in the US, i don't think the amount of people who collect welfare come anywhere close that number. Besides it seems the middle class is as equally fat. Looking for me in cyberspace? I am the electron with the red hat, occupying 3rd sit on the left of the data bus. by the way, perl stinks. "I believe god invented man, because he was disappointed in the monkey" Mark Twain
But others in this thread have posted opinions that obesity correlates to poverty in a positive way in western society. That is the observation that I was responding to. My oberservation would be that any society in which the poor's primary problem is eating too much is a society that has achieved something rather remarkable.
-
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Rats are way over rated. Yeah, rats make easy guinea pigs, :-):-) compared to humans. You need some correlation between rat's evidence before you can even consider drawing conclusions. - Good luck finding your 80 acres in Northern Idaho, it will make the world of difference. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
ColinDavies wrote: Good luck finding your 80 acres Thanks, Well, 2 kids to finish getting through college, 1/2 on the first. We will see where they go. I think the wife will put limits on how far away we get, and I agree with that. East Texas has some very nice places also, there is an entire "mountain" for sale near Tyler, but I do not have the 1/2 million USD for it. :sigh: I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
-
But others in this thread have posted opinions that obesity correlates to poverty in a positive way in western society. That is the observation that I was responding to. My oberservation would be that any society in which the poor's primary problem is eating too much is a society that has achieved something rather remarkable.
Stan Shannon wrote: My oberservation would be that any society in which the poor's primary problem is eating too much is a society that has achieved something rather remarkable. We need to be careful with our observations here. I remember a video from school (mid 60's) about poverty and it noted the much higher obesity rate. Many poor in the study had potatoes every meal and often little else. So they had the starch to get fat but, not the balance to be healthy strong workers, the diet did lead to some of the laziness. But yes they were not starving to death, step one. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
-
A lot of people in the USA beieve terrorism is the greatest threat. I'll agree it is an immediate threat but I believe another threat is floating to the top and will be the great longterm threat. But some scientific stuff I have been reading has got me thinking. In short: If a rat is starved or overfed then the next generations will either be smaller or obese. This can last up to 5 generations, and what appears to occur is that certain genes are turned off or on to influence the offsprings natal state. There is strong reason to believe what happens in rats happens in humans. In the western world obesity is become a big issue especially amongst the poorer segments of the community, this transcends race, religion, or political beliefs. Yes you can have fat, hispanic, protestant, libertarian persons as easy as any other grouping, as long as they are poor. And the poor are also the greatest breeders of our future inhabitants and workers. However the problem facing the future will be will Americans be too fat to work, to go into the military, to fit in polling booths. I haven't got the figures to do the math but I'm sure in 50 yrs there is going to be a serious crisis in the USA with this. The only saving grace is the inflow of immigrants who will be slim enough to perform. However evidence already suggests that their American born children will also suffer from obesity. Part of this problem stems from the serious urbanisation of America - I have been doing a bit of a personal study that shows that the greater the urbanization process is the higher the obesity percentage is. Already the results are showing 'good' results on a number of levels. (micro & macro). Northern Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ are in many ways no different from the USA. However they are not the leaders of the free world. So if the USA falls to obesity they will not be far behind. An easy solution to the supersizing of the USA alludes me, those I can think of are - Deurbanization programs, Fat product taxes, Education and welfare systems, Healthy food stations in inner city areas. None of these are likely to be practible or are what legislators are likely to promote and endorse. So my personal conclusion is that the western world will fall to fat long before the war on terrorism can be won. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
I suggest that we implement mandatory liposuction for the obese. Not only would we save America, but by recycling the byproducts we can also eliminate any conceivable need to harvest another whale. For that matter, through the magic of fractional distillation, we might also find a solution to the worldwide petroleum shortage, thus eliminating the need to annoy religious fanatics who happen to live on top of large oil reserves and, hopefully, reducing the motivation behind terrorism.;) "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City