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  • L Lost User

    I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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    If the goodwill you generate by going generates one sale, that's $2,000 for 8 hours of music, $20 of petrol and an hour of work. Sounds like a good deal to me, I'd do it in a second. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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      I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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      Daniel Turini
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      The problem is: you're not 100% sure that they'll buy it, right? Can't you demo your application over the Internet? I mean, you can setup a machine with a Terminal Services (I'm supposing it's not a web application) and, while you show it to him, you talk on the phone. I recall selling our software, which costs way more than $2000, over the phone to more than one customer. In a few cases, we needed to go there only for a meeting to close the deal - and in your case, I believe that $2000 for a day driving and a quick meeting is fair enough. Yes, even I am blogging now!

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      • L Lost User

        I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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        Giles
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        Seems like a lot of time for me for a 1 hour demo, for so little potential reward. But if you have the time, then there is nothing to loose. Is there an alternative? e.g. a try before you buy? Its unfortunate, as I'm guessing if you're company was a little bigger, you would have a full time sales guy who would be able to do this kind of thing, and see maybe 2 or three potential customers in 1 day. It would look good though, making all that effort. If your chances of getting the sale are also good then you should do it.

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          If the goodwill you generate by going generates one sale, that's $2,000 for 8 hours of music, $20 of petrol and an hour of work. Sounds like a good deal to me, I'd do it in a second. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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          Lost User
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          make it 40$ of gas (we're in Canada!), 40$ of restaurant and one long boring drive :)

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            The problem is: you're not 100% sure that they'll buy it, right? Can't you demo your application over the Internet? I mean, you can setup a machine with a Terminal Services (I'm supposing it's not a web application) and, while you show it to him, you talk on the phone. I recall selling our software, which costs way more than $2000, over the phone to more than one customer. In a few cases, we needed to go there only for a meeting to close the deal - and in your case, I believe that $2000 for a day driving and a quick meeting is fair enough. Yes, even I am blogging now!

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            Lost User
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            I'm considering demo'ing the application over the Internet using VNC, but I'm not quite sure how well it will perform over a regular DSL connection (100KB/sec or so).

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            • L Lost User

              I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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              markstu
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              Potential customers will always remember the extra effort when looking into what product to go with. If you make the effort and give a good presentation, and even if they do not decide to go with you, they might refer you to somebody else.

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              • L Lost User

                make it 40$ of gas (we're in Canada!), 40$ of restaurant and one long boring drive :)

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                Brian Delahunty
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                Carl Mercier wrote: one long boring drive Bring someone with you! Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Bloging![^]

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                • L Lost User

                  I'm considering demo'ing the application over the Internet using VNC, but I'm not quite sure how well it will perform over a regular DSL connection (100KB/sec or so).

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                  Daniel Turini
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                  Carl Mercier wrote: VNC Slow, very slow. There's a version (sorry, I don't remember the name) that installs a video driver and works in the same way than Terminal Services, which works very fine over a 128K DSL, unless you have lots of bitmaps in your application. Yes, even I am blogging now!

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                  • L Lost User

                    I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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                    brianwelsch
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                    If you can earn more than the price of the sale + goodwill, etc. in the same time doing something else, then don't bother. Otherwise, get moving. BW


                    "Get up and open your eyes. Don't let yourself ever fall down.
                    Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
                    Today"
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                    • L Lost User

                      make it 40$ of gas (we're in Canada!), 40$ of restaurant and one long boring drive :)

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                      Christian Graus
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                      Not a music fan ? What's wrong with packing a salad ? Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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                        If the goodwill you generate by going generates one sale, that's $2,000 for 8 hours of music, $20 of petrol and an hour of work. Sounds like a good deal to me, I'd do it in a second. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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                        Colin Urquhart
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                        Christian Graus wrote: $20 of petrol Wow - wish I could drive for 8 hours on only $20 worth of petrol ;P

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                        • C Colin Urquhart

                          Christian Graus wrote: $20 of petrol Wow - wish I could drive for 8 hours on only $20 worth of petrol ;P

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                          Colin Urquhart
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                          Why did my previous post end up down here????? :~

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                          • L Lost User

                            I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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                            Bill Miller
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                            What I started doing a while ago, is requesting a charge of $500.00 per day, and for them to cover travel expenses paid. Get this money up front. This way if they are serious they will pay it. They may whine a little about the cost, but this keeps you from working for minimum wage, or losing money. You may offer a small discount if they buy later on. A good friend of mine who has been a software dealer for many years uses this approach, and it works for him, and it has worked for me. Another option my friend uses is GoToMyPC. He actually gives demos, and lets them try the software, even across long distances.

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                            • D Daniel Turini

                              Carl Mercier wrote: VNC Slow, very slow. There's a version (sorry, I don't remember the name) that installs a video driver and works in the same way than Terminal Services, which works very fine over a 128K DSL, unless you have lots of bitmaps in your application. Yes, even I am blogging now!

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                              Are you talking about UltraVnc?

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                              • L Lost User

                                I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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                                Marc Clifton
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                                I flew across country (on the customer's dime, thankfully) to give a four hour presentation on IP over satellite. 10 minutes into the presentation a financial crisis occurred that took away 70% of the participants (there were many senior managers in the room). I was a bit p-o'd. Personally, I would suggest working out some compensation that can be voided if they decide to go ahead with the purchase. Otherwise, it's a big waste of time, IMO. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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                                  I flew across country (on the customer's dime, thankfully) to give a four hour presentation on IP over satellite. 10 minutes into the presentation a financial crisis occurred that took away 70% of the participants (there were many senior managers in the room). I was a bit p-o'd. Personally, I would suggest working out some compensation that can be voided if they decide to go ahead with the purchase. Otherwise, it's a big waste of time, IMO. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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                                  Lost User
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                                  But how to do it and not p-o the customer? I think that would simply make me: 1. lose the presentation, 2. lose the sale, 3. lose the customer forever. However, that would -DEFINATELY- be the best way for me.

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                                    I'm considering demo'ing the application over the Internet using VNC, but I'm not quite sure how well it will perform over a regular DSL connection (100KB/sec or so).

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                                    Marcus Spitzmiller
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                                    Carl - I've used WebEx from home over a slower connection than that and had good luck presenting. You might think about giving that a shot. Otherwise, get in the car. :) My 2 cents.... Marcus Spitzmiller "Why must life be so hard? Why must I fail at every attempt at masonry?" - Homer

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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                                      l a u r e n
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                                      i used to fly from cape town to joberg 2 or 3 times a week for customers of our software ... thats a 2hr flight plus getting to and from the airports we had happy customers (and i had no life) :)


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                                      biz stuff about me

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        I have a customer who wants me to drive to their office for a presentation of our application and ask a few questions. They know a number of users of the application who are quite happy with it. The thing is that they are 3.5 hours to 4 hours away from our offices. Our application sells for about 2000$ US. How far would you go for this kind of money? Quite frankly, I think this is hell of a drive (remember, I'll have to come back! 8 hours total! ish!)... It's a long of a drive especially for people who have heard a lot of good things about the software... I believe only one administrative person wants this demo. What would you do? Decline or drive like crazy? Thanks!

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                                        Nish Nishant
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                                        You could

                                        • Take your girl friend with you
                                        • Take a couple of buddies with you and some beer/vodka [drinks only for the return trip of course]
                                        • Go by flight
                                        • Go by a fast train

                                        Nish


                                        My blog on C++/CLI, MFC/Win32, .NET - void Nish(char* szBlog); My MVP tips, tricks and essays web site - www.voidnish.com

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                                        • L l a u r e n

                                          i used to fly from cape town to joberg 2 or 3 times a week for customers of our software ... thats a 2hr flight plus getting to and from the airports we had happy customers (and i had no life) :)


                                          "there is no spoon"
                                          biz stuff about me

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                                          Nish Nishant
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                                          l a u r e n wrote: and i had no life Is this an indirect way of telling us that you have one now? :rolleyes:


                                          My blog on C++/CLI, MFC/Win32, .NET - void Nish(char* szBlog); My MVP tips, tricks and essays web site - www.voidnish.com

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