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Saw this. Obviously, MS is concerned that IE will stop being an advantage and start being a weight around their necks if they don't do something to stop the bad press. But what i want to know is, can we finally expect fixes for the long-standing bugs? Hack-less PNG support? A window-less SELECT element rendering? You know, the stuff that has cost me literally weeks of dev time, and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. :rolleyes:
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Saw this. Obviously, MS is concerned that IE will stop being an advantage and start being a weight around their necks if they don't do something to stop the bad press. But what i want to know is, can we finally expect fixes for the long-standing bugs? Hack-less PNG support? A window-less SELECT element rendering? You know, the stuff that has cost me literally weeks of dev time, and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. :rolleyes:
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... Hey, you find that too? Whenever I'm working really heavily on the presentation side of a web project I find that my entire body slows down - hair growth, metabolism, sex drive, the lot. I always put it down to the extra stress of having something 99% working in no time at all then having to spend a month hacking everything to pieces to get it to work that other 0.9%. I wonder how long it will be till they ahve a tick box for "Web Developer" on life insurance policies. :~
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
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Shog9 wrote: and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... Hey, you find that too? Whenever I'm working really heavily on the presentation side of a web project I find that my entire body slows down - hair growth, metabolism, sex drive, the lot. I always put it down to the extra stress of having something 99% working in no time at all then having to spend a month hacking everything to pieces to get it to work that other 0.9%. I wonder how long it will be till they ahve a tick box for "Web Developer" on life insurance policies. :~
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
David Wulff wrote: I wonder how long it will be till they ahve a tick box for "Web Developer" on life insurance policies. :laugh: It might be a couple years; on the other hand, it might be when IE7 is released. My sig: "The so-called 'Bugs' do not exist, they are merely features hidden by developers with message boxes that say 'An unhandled exception has occurred'." - Programmer2k4 "And it is a professional faux pas to pay someone else to destroy your computer when you are perfectly capable of destroying it yourself." - Roger Wright I now use my CodeProject Blog!
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Shog9 wrote: and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... Hey, you find that too? Whenever I'm working really heavily on the presentation side of a web project I find that my entire body slows down - hair growth, metabolism, sex drive, the lot. I always put it down to the extra stress of having something 99% working in no time at all then having to spend a month hacking everything to pieces to get it to work that other 0.9%. I wonder how long it will be till they ahve a tick box for "Web Developer" on life insurance policies. :~
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
David Wulff wrote: Whenever I'm working really heavily on the presentation side of a web project I find that my entire body slows down - hair growth, metabolism, sex drive, the lot. Hmm, that's not quite it for me. When i'm working hard and really focusing on a problem, i pull my hair out. Generally don't realize i'm doing it... until i'm ready to leave for the day and must brush off my hair-covered shirt and chair... :~
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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David Wulff wrote: Whenever I'm working really heavily on the presentation side of a web project I find that my entire body slows down - hair growth, metabolism, sex drive, the lot. Hmm, that's not quite it for me. When i'm working hard and really focusing on a problem, i pull my hair out. Generally don't realize i'm doing it... until i'm ready to leave for the day and must brush off my hair-covered shirt and chair... :~
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
That sounds like a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder. Try wearing a hat and a doctor's face mask. :)
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
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That sounds like a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder. Try wearing a hat and a doctor's face mask. :)
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
Possibly. As i obsess over my code, i compulsively pluck. Or something... David Wulff wrote: Try wearing a hat and a doctor's face mask. Heheh! I should, at least for a day... and also bring in one of those big tubs of hand disinfectant, and a can of Lysol... :D
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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David Wulff wrote: Whenever I'm working really heavily on the presentation side of a web project I find that my entire body slows down - hair growth, metabolism, sex drive, the lot. Hmm, that's not quite it for me. When i'm working hard and really focusing on a problem, i pull my hair out. Generally don't realize i'm doing it... until i'm ready to leave for the day and must brush off my hair-covered shirt and chair... :~
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Damn I thought I was the only person who did this! It's why I don't grow a goatee anymore, I used to, but I get focusing on something and start pulling out the beard :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Saw this. Obviously, MS is concerned that IE will stop being an advantage and start being a weight around their necks if they don't do something to stop the bad press. But what i want to know is, can we finally expect fixes for the long-standing bugs? Hack-less PNG support? A window-less SELECT element rendering? You know, the stuff that has cost me literally weeks of dev time, and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. :rolleyes:
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Don't get me wrong, this is *unprintable joy enthused screaming* news. But this is the same Internet Explorer 7 that Microsoft swore they would not release? i.e. The "there will never be another stand-alone version of IE." Like you said. Poor Longhorn. It is being released as add-ons for Windows XP. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
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Shog9 wrote: and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... Hey, you find that too? Whenever I'm working really heavily on the presentation side of a web project I find that my entire body slows down - hair growth, metabolism, sex drive, the lot. I always put it down to the extra stress of having something 99% working in no time at all then having to spend a month hacking everything to pieces to get it to work that other 0.9%. I wonder how long it will be till they ahve a tick box for "Web Developer" on life insurance policies. :~
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
Damn, that screams lawsuit doesn't it? Hey, I'm just say'in ... today Zoloft, tomorrow IE7 ... ;P D.
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Don't get me wrong, this is *unprintable joy enthused screaming* news. But this is the same Internet Explorer 7 that Microsoft swore they would not release? i.e. The "there will never be another stand-alone version of IE." Like you said. Poor Longhorn. It is being released as add-ons for Windows XP. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul Watson wrote: Like you said. Poor Longhorn. It is being released as add-ons for Windows XP. According to what I read on Scoble this morning. Microsoft has a rethink on the contents of Longhorn to meet customer demands. I'm looking forward to hearing the official announcment on the new vision. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Saw this. Obviously, MS is concerned that IE will stop being an advantage and start being a weight around their necks if they don't do something to stop the bad press. But what i want to know is, can we finally expect fixes for the long-standing bugs? Hack-less PNG support? A window-less SELECT element rendering? You know, the stuff that has cost me literally weeks of dev time, and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. :rolleyes:
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: Saw this. The poor guy wants to say stuff but he can't, instead being reduced to "Please know that the IE team is working hard" and "Why are we talking about it today? Because our customers and partners have asked us". I would love to have the real insider story. I'm guessing 'FireFox' would get a mention or two. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Saw this. Obviously, MS is concerned that IE will stop being an advantage and start being a weight around their necks if they don't do something to stop the bad press. But what i want to know is, can we finally expect fixes for the long-standing bugs? Hack-less PNG support? A window-less SELECT element rendering? You know, the stuff that has cost me literally weeks of dev time, and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. :rolleyes:
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Even if they do fix long-standing bugs, IE6 is so predominant you will still have to support for a number of years.
Naw, i don't. That's the nice thing of having nearly all your users under one ruling IT department - it may be a while before the upgrade hits, but when it does it's done, and i can move on. :)
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Naw, i don't. That's the nice thing of having nearly all your users under one ruling IT department - it may be a while before the upgrade hits, but when it does it's done, and i can move on. :)
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: nice thing Bah - we're still on IE5 (not 6, not 5.5, but 5.0!) at work, because of the one IT department to rule them all... Stuart Dootson 'Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p'
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Shog9 wrote: Saw this. The poor guy wants to say stuff but he can't, instead being reduced to "Please know that the IE team is working hard" and "Why are we talking about it today? Because our customers and partners have asked us". I would love to have the real insider story. I'm guessing 'FireFox' would get a mention or two. cheers, Chris Maunder
I hate that part of company politics, even more as it is one of the few I'm subjected to. Just today read in another forum* some people speculating about a customer of us doing things so-and-so. Knowing (at least part of) the real story, which is interesting at least in the technical part I feel it is a pain not being able to share. * completely unrelated to programming or Lounging :cool:
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Saw this. Obviously, MS is concerned that IE will stop being an advantage and start being a weight around their necks if they don't do something to stop the bad press. But what i want to know is, can we finally expect fixes for the long-standing bugs? Hack-less PNG support? A window-less SELECT element rendering? You know, the stuff that has cost me literally weeks of dev time, and reduced my beard to a pathetic pile of hairs on the floor... In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. :rolleyes:
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: ? A window-less SELECT element rendering? One can only dream. :sigh: Why is it still windowed!? Raymond Chen (The Old New Thing blogger) never really answered why, just that it is because it was "problematic" to make it windowless. I just don't buy that. :) Shog9 wrote: In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. You'll be ooohing and aaahing with the rest of us once it's released. ;) -- My name in Katakana is ヨルゲン. My name in German is Jörgen. My name in Mandarin/Kanji is 乔尔根 西格瓦德森. I blog too now[^]
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Shog9 wrote: ? A window-less SELECT element rendering? One can only dream. :sigh: Why is it still windowed!? Raymond Chen (The Old New Thing blogger) never really answered why, just that it is because it was "problematic" to make it windowless. I just don't buy that. :) Shog9 wrote: In other news, i now have nothing left to look foreward to in Longhorn. You'll be ooohing and aaahing with the rest of us once it's released. ;) -- My name in Katakana is ヨルゲン. My name in German is Jörgen. My name in Mandarin/Kanji is 乔尔根 西格瓦德森. I blog too now[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: just that it is because it was "problematic" to make it windowless. I just don't buy that. Oh, i do. But i also know that i just finished hacking together a HTML+CSS+JScript clone, using IE's weird-ass popup feature for the drop-down... and if implementing a windowless combo internal to IE is "problematic", then i deserve some sort of award for this... :sigh: Thing is, the "it's hard" argument really doesn't cut it, when your competitors aren't out there whining about the same thing. That seems to have been the informal company line regarding proper PNG support as well, yet it doesn't seem to have stopped the implementation of a horrible hack using filters from going in. Let's face it - developers don't say "it's hard" unless it's something they really don't want / really don't have time to do - truely hard tasks get a smile and a "it'll be in by tomorrow", followed by as many sleepless nights as it takes to make that reality.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: just that it is because it was "problematic" to make it windowless. I just don't buy that. Oh, i do. But i also know that i just finished hacking together a HTML+CSS+JScript clone, using IE's weird-ass popup feature for the drop-down... and if implementing a windowless combo internal to IE is "problematic", then i deserve some sort of award for this... :sigh: Thing is, the "it's hard" argument really doesn't cut it, when your competitors aren't out there whining about the same thing. That seems to have been the informal company line regarding proper PNG support as well, yet it doesn't seem to have stopped the implementation of a horrible hack using filters from going in. Let's face it - developers don't say "it's hard" unless it's something they really don't want / really don't have time to do - truely hard tasks get a smile and a "it'll be in by tomorrow", followed by as many sleepless nights as it takes to make that reality.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Shog9 wrote: using IE's weird-ass popup Ah yes.. the popup window. Yet another IE-only invention. :sigh: I'm so glad I don't have to mess around with web stuff anymore. Shog9 wrote: Let's face it - developers don't say "it's hard" unless it's something they really don't want / really don't have time to do - truely hard tasks get a smile and a "it'll be in by tomorrow", followed by as many sleepless nights as it takes to make that reality. Exactly. Microsoft can hire me to fix it. I won't whine about it. I'll deliver! :) -- My name in Katakana is ヨルゲン. My name in German is Jörgen. My name in Mandarin/Kanji is 乔尔根 西格瓦德森. I blog too now[^]
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That sounds like a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder. Try wearing a hat and a doctor's face mask. :)
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
Razor sharp fingernails do it, too.
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
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Shog9 wrote: Saw this. The poor guy wants to say stuff but he can't, instead being reduced to "Please know that the IE team is working hard" and "Why are we talking about it today? Because our customers and partners have asked us". I would love to have the real insider story. I'm guessing 'FireFox' would get a mention or two. cheers, Chris Maunder