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    stano
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    Does anyone else feel the same way? I hate these stupid web :zzz: casts that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us. Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time (http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode049/default.asp[^]) to watch a programme on SQL Server 2005 when I could get the same information my skimming a brief article. I've spent my whole career reading (and mostly ignoring) information, so I could get to the things that I needed, and web cast are a complete waste of my time. Get real Msoft. Just because the technology lets you do it, doesn't mean you should do it!

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      Does anyone else feel the same way? I hate these stupid web :zzz: casts that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us. Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time (http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode049/default.asp[^]) to watch a programme on SQL Server 2005 when I could get the same information my skimming a brief article. I've spent my whole career reading (and mostly ignoring) information, so I could get to the things that I needed, and web cast are a complete waste of my time. Get real Msoft. Just because the technology lets you do it, doesn't mean you should do it!

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      Erik Funkenbusch
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      While I agree that the volume of webcasts is completely overwhelming, I don't think they're useless. I've got some damn good info from webcasts, and it gives you the opportunity to ask questions of webcasters if you view them live. I believe they also create transcripts of these as well, or at least I've seen some. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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        While I agree that the volume of webcasts is completely overwhelming, I don't think they're useless. I've got some damn good info from webcasts, and it gives you the opportunity to ask questions of webcasters if you view them live. I believe they also create transcripts of these as well, or at least I've seen some. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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        However a transcript does not equate to a well written article. And as most casts are broadcast at US time it is pretty useless for two-thirds of the world's population. It seems the rate of growth of web casts on MSDN in inversely proportional to the number of new written articles being produced. Programmer's egos aside, is this Microsoft's attempts to reduce the power of Google by limiting their ability to index new technical information? Give me a well written article anyday.

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          However a transcript does not equate to a well written article. And as most casts are broadcast at US time it is pretty useless for two-thirds of the world's population. It seems the rate of growth of web casts on MSDN in inversely proportional to the number of new written articles being produced. Programmer's egos aside, is this Microsoft's attempts to reduce the power of Google by limiting their ability to index new technical information? Give me a well written article anyday.

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          Rob Manderson
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          stano wrote: Give me a well written article anyday I hear you. Fortunately we have about 6000 of em here :) Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]

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            Does anyone else feel the same way? I hate these stupid web :zzz: casts that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us. Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time (http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode049/default.asp[^]) to watch a programme on SQL Server 2005 when I could get the same information my skimming a brief article. I've spent my whole career reading (and mostly ignoring) information, so I could get to the things that I needed, and web cast are a complete waste of my time. Get real Msoft. Just because the technology lets you do it, doesn't mean you should do it!

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            Steve Mayfield
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            The webcasts also come with MSDN (on the index CD/DVD) - so you could watch them at your leasure. Steve

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              The webcasts also come with MSDN (on the index CD/DVD) - so you could watch them at your leasure. Steve

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              stano
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              That would explain where the missing 3Gb on my hard-drive went. I guess if I ever have trouble sleeping it's always an option.

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                The webcasts also come with MSDN (on the index CD/DVD) - so you could watch them at your leasure. Steve

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                David Stone
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                Are those really the webcasts themselves? I thought that was just the index. I haven't bothered to look at it with school being so busy and all.


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                  Does anyone else feel the same way? I hate these stupid web :zzz: casts that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us. Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time (http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode049/default.asp[^]) to watch a programme on SQL Server 2005 when I could get the same information my skimming a brief article. I've spent my whole career reading (and mostly ignoring) information, so I could get to the things that I needed, and web cast are a complete waste of my time. Get real Msoft. Just because the technology lets you do it, doesn't mean you should do it!

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                  I three times tried to watch a web-cast. Three times I closed my browser after 5-10 minutes because I thought it wasn't worth it. By the time you downloaded or buffered enough, you already have all the info you need. Besides, they didn't tell anything usefull. stano wrote: Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time So I totally agree :-D No hurries, no worries.

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                    Does anyone else feel the same way? I hate these stupid web :zzz: casts that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us. Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time (http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode049/default.asp[^]) to watch a programme on SQL Server 2005 when I could get the same information my skimming a brief article. I've spent my whole career reading (and mostly ignoring) information, so I could get to the things that I needed, and web cast are a complete waste of my time. Get real Msoft. Just because the technology lets you do it, doesn't mean you should do it!

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                    Paul Watson
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                    stano wrote: that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us Since when were you forced to watch a single one? I agree that most are not worth watching but I have seen a few that conveyed concepts that would have been impractical to convey in text. Pick the ones that work in video and pick the ones that work as articles then get on with life. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "

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                      stano wrote: that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us Since when were you forced to watch a single one? I agree that most are not worth watching but I have seen a few that conveyed concepts that would have been impractical to convey in text. Pick the ones that work in video and pick the ones that work as articles then get on with life. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "

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                      The problem is is that Microsoft's approach is to video first and ask questions later. There seems to be less written articles appearing on MSDN and more and more snore-casts. If I had a choice I would always choose the written article, as it is, they are no longer giving me the choice: it's snore or ignore.

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                        Does anyone else feel the same way? I hate these stupid web :zzz: casts that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us. Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time (http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode049/default.asp[^]) to watch a programme on SQL Server 2005 when I could get the same information my skimming a brief article. I've spent my whole career reading (and mostly ignoring) information, so I could get to the things that I needed, and web cast are a complete waste of my time. Get real Msoft. Just because the technology lets you do it, doesn't mean you should do it!

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                        Nigel Savidge
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                        I would agree with you on most of the web casts but your link is to the .Net Show which I have been watching since it was released. There have been some excelent shows and some less interesting such as the one you linked to but the news section at the begining is always worth watching! I always download the 300KB version and watch it offline - worth the 5 minute download cos then you can skip the boring bits easily.

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                          I would agree with you on most of the web casts but your link is to the .Net Show which I have been watching since it was released. There have been some excelent shows and some less interesting such as the one you linked to but the news section at the begining is always worth watching! I always download the 300KB version and watch it offline - worth the 5 minute download cos then you can skip the boring bits easily.

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                          Nish Nishant
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                          Nigel Savidge wrote: I always download the 300KB version and watch it offline - worth the 5 minute download cos then you can skip the boring bits easily. Do they have offline-viewable downloads? And if so, are they only 300 KB? Nish :confused:

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                            Nigel Savidge wrote: I always download the 300KB version and watch it offline - worth the 5 minute download cos then you can skip the boring bits easily. Do they have offline-viewable downloads? And if so, are they only 300 KB? Nish :confused:

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                            Nigel Savidge
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                            If you open the link that stano gave and scroll down a bit you will see: Offline Viewing Download: For those of you who want to download a copy of this episode to your local hard drive for off-line viewing, we provide this as a separate file (self-extracting .exe) that you can download. We now offer two file size choices, depending on the bandwidth of your Internet connection and a third one especially for mobile devices. 300 KB version (196 MB file) 100 KB version (69 MB file) Mobile devices version (49 MB file) (So no they are not only 300KB, they are typically 250MB and with Microsofts slow server they are about 5 minutes to download.:) )

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                              Does anyone else feel the same way? I hate these stupid web :zzz: casts that Microsoft seems intent on inflicting on us. Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time (http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode049/default.asp[^]) to watch a programme on SQL Server 2005 when I could get the same information my skimming a brief article. I've spent my whole career reading (and mostly ignoring) information, so I could get to the things that I needed, and web cast are a complete waste of my time. Get real Msoft. Just because the technology lets you do it, doesn't mean you should do it!

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                              Luis Alonso Ramos
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                              I've been watching the DevDays 2004 conferences this last weekend, and I think they're very good. I had never watched a webcast before, but this time I believe they were worth my time. Altough not as detailed in some aspects, they give you some pointers and some other verys specific advice, which you can easily put into practice. -- LuisR


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                                I three times tried to watch a web-cast. Three times I closed my browser after 5-10 minutes because I thought it wasn't worth it. By the time you downloaded or buffered enough, you already have all the info you need. Besides, they didn't tell anything usefull. stano wrote: Why would I want to waste 1 hour, 33 minutes of my precious time So I totally agree :-D No hurries, no worries.

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                                Erik Funkenbusch
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                                How would you know if they told anything useful if you didn't actually watch it for more than 5 or 10 minutes? -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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                                  How would you know if they told anything useful if you didn't actually watch it for more than 5 or 10 minutes? -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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                                  fast forward. I started listening and skipped when it wasn't interesting. (eg like waiting for votes). After 5 minutes I was so bored and didn't learn a thing, than I closed my browser. No hurries, no worries.

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