Looking for some advise
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My wife’s birthday is coming up and I would like to get her a good digital camera. She is an avid photographer and enjoys hiking the wilds of Colorado and Wyoming in the spring taking pictures. I have been looking at a Nikon 8700, which seems to be in my meager price range but am concerned it is not the best quality for the money. Any guidance is appreciated. Kevin
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My wife’s birthday is coming up and I would like to get her a good digital camera. She is an avid photographer and enjoys hiking the wilds of Colorado and Wyoming in the spring taking pictures. I have been looking at a Nikon 8700, which seems to be in my meager price range but am concerned it is not the best quality for the money. Any guidance is appreciated. Kevin
depends on what you need for a camera. 1. The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. 2. For a digital camera, you need to watch out for 3 things: a: optical zoom b: # pixels. You need 1600x1800 pixels for a normal 10cmx15cm foto. resulting in a 2,88 megapixel foto (=good qualtity). If you want the same qualtity to enlarge (say 20cmx30cm, you need to double it) c: batteries: choose normal AA or a rechargable one. (I'd go for the second) If you don't want to enlarge foto's a 3 or 4 megapixel camera will do, else you'll be on 6 or 8 megapixels. oh, I'd buy an extra memory stick and a pouch to protect the camera :-). An average camera in Europe costs € 250 - € 400, a good one € 700 - € 900 and a real good one € 1200+. Hope this helps a bit. and happy birthday to your wife. No hurries, no worries.
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depends on what you need for a camera. 1. The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. 2. For a digital camera, you need to watch out for 3 things: a: optical zoom b: # pixels. You need 1600x1800 pixels for a normal 10cmx15cm foto. resulting in a 2,88 megapixel foto (=good qualtity). If you want the same qualtity to enlarge (say 20cmx30cm, you need to double it) c: batteries: choose normal AA or a rechargable one. (I'd go for the second) If you don't want to enlarge foto's a 3 or 4 megapixel camera will do, else you'll be on 6 or 8 megapixels. oh, I'd buy an extra memory stick and a pouch to protect the camera :-). An average camera in Europe costs € 250 - € 400, a good one € 700 - € 900 and a real good one € 1200+. Hope this helps a bit. and happy birthday to your wife. No hurries, no worries.
V. wrote: b: # pixels. You need 1600x1800 pixels for a normal 10cmx15cm foto. resulting in a 2,88 megapixel foto (=good qualtity). If you want the same qualtity to enlarge (say 20cmx30cm, you need to double it) Wrong, wrong, wrong Jana (any Aussies get the reference). 10cm x 15cm = 150 cm2 while 20cm x 30cm = 600 cm2. Therefore it needs to be 4 times the resolution, so 11.52 megapixels are needed. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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V. wrote: b: # pixels. You need 1600x1800 pixels for a normal 10cmx15cm foto. resulting in a 2,88 megapixel foto (=good qualtity). If you want the same qualtity to enlarge (say 20cmx30cm, you need to double it) Wrong, wrong, wrong Jana (any Aussies get the reference). 10cm x 15cm = 150 cm2 while 20cm x 30cm = 600 cm2. Therefore it needs to be 4 times the resolution, so 11.52 megapixels are needed. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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depends on what you need for a camera. 1. The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. 2. For a digital camera, you need to watch out for 3 things: a: optical zoom b: # pixels. You need 1600x1800 pixels for a normal 10cmx15cm foto. resulting in a 2,88 megapixel foto (=good qualtity). If you want the same qualtity to enlarge (say 20cmx30cm, you need to double it) c: batteries: choose normal AA or a rechargable one. (I'd go for the second) If you don't want to enlarge foto's a 3 or 4 megapixel camera will do, else you'll be on 6 or 8 megapixels. oh, I'd buy an extra memory stick and a pouch to protect the camera :-). An average camera in Europe costs € 250 - € 400, a good one € 700 - € 900 and a real good one € 1200+. Hope this helps a bit. and happy birthday to your wife. No hurries, no worries.
thanks for the info. She has a Minolta with a bag of lenses that we bought a few years ago. The one I am looking at claims to have 3264 x 2448 poixels with an effective 8 megapixel. The main reason I am looking at this camera is the additional lens that can be attacted. I am sure it is not as quality a product as the Minolta frame that she currently has but it costs less too. With two lens it is 650.00 U.S so it must be average given the price range.
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My wife’s birthday is coming up and I would like to get her a good digital camera. She is an avid photographer and enjoys hiking the wilds of Colorado and Wyoming in the spring taking pictures. I have been looking at a Nikon 8700, which seems to be in my meager price range but am concerned it is not the best quality for the money. Any guidance is appreciated. Kevin
When you are buying a gift for someone's job or hobby, it's best to ask them for some choices, that way you do not make a mistake. You want her response to be on the order of "Honey, this is great. Thanks!" rather than "Thanks but it doesn't do this, that, and the sunset pictures I like to take won't turn out at all." For example, I am an avid woodworker. Not too long ago I received a tool from someone with good intentions, but the tool was of poor quality so it did me no good to own it. I also received a tool of which I already owned one just like it. I ended up taking the new one back and buying something else from that store that I did not have. Good luck! :)
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depends on what you need for a camera. 1. The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. 2. For a digital camera, you need to watch out for 3 things: a: optical zoom b: # pixels. You need 1600x1800 pixels for a normal 10cmx15cm foto. resulting in a 2,88 megapixel foto (=good qualtity). If you want the same qualtity to enlarge (say 20cmx30cm, you need to double it) c: batteries: choose normal AA or a rechargable one. (I'd go for the second) If you don't want to enlarge foto's a 3 or 4 megapixel camera will do, else you'll be on 6 or 8 megapixels. oh, I'd buy an extra memory stick and a pouch to protect the camera :-). An average camera in Europe costs € 250 - € 400, a good one € 700 - € 900 and a real good one € 1200+. Hope this helps a bit. and happy birthday to your wife. No hurries, no worries.
V. wrote: The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. That is sooo wrong. If you talk about DSLR's like a Canon 1DMkII or 1DsMkI you get better photos than with a 35mm film camera. Many photographers even say that the 1DsMkII is better than medium format film. - Anders Bill's Bar
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V. wrote: The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. That is sooo wrong. If you talk about DSLR's like a Canon 1DMkII or 1DsMkI you get better photos than with a 35mm film camera. Many photographers even say that the 1DsMkII is better than medium format film. - Anders Bill's Bar
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Anders Molin wrote: Many photographers even say that the 1DsMkII is better than medium format film The scans I get from my Canon FS4000 film scanner (from properly exposed 35mm film) are pretty good. The best frames I've scanned are probably as good as a 12 Megapixel digital camera however the scans need to be processed with noise removal software (I use NeatImage Pro) to reduce grain and scanner noise. Noise is much less apparent from digital cameras (although it's not gone, that's for sure!). Medium format is another story. I'd bet you could get 30+ megapixels from a medium format frame. The 1DMkII is getting close (which is why a lot of pro's are switching their equipment to digital - the better workflow makes "close enough" OK), but until they throw 24+ Megapixels into one of those things I don't think they come close to medium format film. That said, those cameras sure are nice (and fast)! Cheers, Drew.
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depends on what you need for a camera. 1. The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. 2. For a digital camera, you need to watch out for 3 things: a: optical zoom b: # pixels. You need 1600x1800 pixels for a normal 10cmx15cm foto. resulting in a 2,88 megapixel foto (=good qualtity). If you want the same qualtity to enlarge (say 20cmx30cm, you need to double it) c: batteries: choose normal AA or a rechargable one. (I'd go for the second) If you don't want to enlarge foto's a 3 or 4 megapixel camera will do, else you'll be on 6 or 8 megapixels. oh, I'd buy an extra memory stick and a pouch to protect the camera :-). An average camera in Europe costs € 250 - € 400, a good one € 700 - € 900 and a real good one € 1200+. Hope this helps a bit. and happy birthday to your wife. No hurries, no worries.
V. wrote: 1. The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. Any digital, even say a medium-format back by Phase One? Come on man, digital is up there with 35mm film even at the 6mp range. The 1Ds MkII as Anders points out trumps 35mm film and gives medium-format a swift kick. Anyway it is all down to what you want to use your images for. Printing billboards or printing postage stamps, very different camera requirements. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
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Anders Molin wrote: Many photographers even say that the 1DsMkII is better than medium format film The scans I get from my Canon FS4000 film scanner (from properly exposed 35mm film) are pretty good. The best frames I've scanned are probably as good as a 12 Megapixel digital camera however the scans need to be processed with noise removal software (I use NeatImage Pro) to reduce grain and scanner noise. Noise is much less apparent from digital cameras (although it's not gone, that's for sure!). Medium format is another story. I'd bet you could get 30+ megapixels from a medium format frame. The 1DMkII is getting close (which is why a lot of pro's are switching their equipment to digital - the better workflow makes "close enough" OK), but until they throw 24+ Megapixels into one of those things I don't think they come close to medium format film. That said, those cameras sure are nice (and fast)! Cheers, Drew.
You do get digital medium-format backs like the Phase One P25 (22mp) for only slightly insane money. Reichman also did a comparison between the P25 and a Canon 1Ds MkII. Do you do pro work or are you an amateur like myself? Just curious, always nice to meet fellow photographic programmers. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
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My wife’s birthday is coming up and I would like to get her a good digital camera. She is an avid photographer and enjoys hiking the wilds of Colorado and Wyoming in the spring taking pictures. I have been looking at a Nikon 8700, which seems to be in my meager price range but am concerned it is not the best quality for the money. Any guidance is appreciated. Kevin
You mentioned she has an Olympus with a bag full of lenses. I really, really recommend you ask her what kind of digital she would like. I know it dents the surprise factor but that is a lot better than her being disapointed in what you choose. My friends and family know to ask me first about any photographic gifts they want to buy me. That Nikon though is pretty good from what I have read. If she is not clued up on digital but says she wants one then it would be a good choice. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
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You do get digital medium-format backs like the Phase One P25 (22mp) for only slightly insane money. Reichman also did a comparison between the P25 and a Canon 1Ds MkII. Do you do pro work or are you an amateur like myself? Just curious, always nice to meet fellow photographic programmers. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
Paul Watson wrote: Reichman also did a comparison between the P25 and a Canon 1Ds MkII. Interesting read. As with everything else, "...right tool for the right job" is a good conclusion. Paul Watson wrote: Do you do pro work or are you an amateur like myself? I'm a complete amateur I'm afraid. I license images for use with any products I develop (through Corbis). My stuff simply isn't good enough. I've done a fair amount of film scanning and processing for others though which has shown me just how good film really is (or can be when done properly). I took a look at your stuff - WOW! I'm impressed! Do you license your images? Cheers, Drew.
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When you are buying a gift for someone's job or hobby, it's best to ask them for some choices, that way you do not make a mistake. You want her response to be on the order of "Honey, this is great. Thanks!" rather than "Thanks but it doesn't do this, that, and the sunset pictures I like to take won't turn out at all." For example, I am an avid woodworker. Not too long ago I received a tool from someone with good intentions, but the tool was of poor quality so it did me no good to own it. I also received a tool of which I already owned one just like it. I ended up taking the new one back and buying something else from that store that I did not have. Good luck! :)
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
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V. wrote: The quality of an analog camera is still far better then any digital camera. That is sooo wrong. If you talk about DSLR's like a Canon 1DMkII or 1DsMkI you get better photos than with a 35mm film camera. Many photographers even say that the 1DsMkII is better than medium format film. - Anders Bill's Bar
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That's why a standard analog camera ALWAYS has a resolution of about 18 megapixels while now even the best (payable) digital camera has about 11? Is cheaper then a digital ? I don't know any of your abbrevations, but I've talked with film-developers (how you call them in english?) and asked around in photoshops, they all say the same, analog cameras are still better then digital camera's (if you talk quality). Anything near the quality of an analog will be twice the price. OK, you do have photofreaks who create photos with 2,5 or even 6 gigapixels, but I don't want to pay the price for those or take the time ... But digital has many advantages. Cheaper for development (take only the photos you want). You can work on them with your computer, ... No hurries, no worries.
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That's why a standard analog camera ALWAYS has a resolution of about 18 megapixels while now even the best (payable) digital camera has about 11? Is cheaper then a digital ? I don't know any of your abbrevations, but I've talked with film-developers (how you call them in english?) and asked around in photoshops, they all say the same, analog cameras are still better then digital camera's (if you talk quality). Anything near the quality of an analog will be twice the price. OK, you do have photofreaks who create photos with 2,5 or even 6 gigapixels, but I don't want to pay the price for those or take the time ... But digital has many advantages. Cheaper for development (take only the photos you want). You can work on them with your computer, ... No hurries, no worries.
I guess it depends on who you ask ;) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=12634560[^] - Anders Bill's Bar
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