More NC Fun
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Stan Shannon wrote: If the will of the people had been profoundely pro-stem cell research, he would have been defeated. If stem-cell research was the sole criteria being judged I would agree, but in an election the voters must consider a myriad of opinions and beliefs. Most polls show 80% of the US public support stem-cell research. Throw in the fact that a congress controlled by Republicans is likely to pass a law supporting stem-cell research, I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
It seems to me that the "moral will" of the people is being represented exactly as it is supposed to be. Congress will override the president's veto, and everyone will be happy. So to me this is all a tempest in a tea pot. OT: It occurs to me that if the president is representing a more extreme, minority, moral view, well, isn't that what the democrats in the senate are promoting - the rights of the minority? And if the will of the minority is to be considered extremist by default, aren't the democrats clearly extremist? :confused: "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Idiots no, this[^] is an idiot.* those other people are much much worse. :) * - ok, not an idiot - just a demented old woman Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
True enough. I generally try not to use profanity - even here. Phelps and those like him are bigots and morons at best. Personally I think "subhuman fuckwits" is a better description. :mad::mad::mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Stan Shannon wrote: If the will of the people had been profoundely pro-stem cell research, he would have been defeated. If stem-cell research was the sole criteria being judged I would agree, but in an election the voters must consider a myriad of opinions and beliefs. Most polls show 80% of the US public support stem-cell research. Throw in the fact that a congress controlled by Republicans is likely to pass a law supporting stem-cell research, I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. polls currently put W's overall ratings in the low to mid 40s, with his ratings on many individual topics even lower (in the 20s for his SS handling, 30s for his handling of Iraq, etc). and, 6 in 10 say he "doesn't share their priorities". if he cared about the will of the people, we'd see some pretty dramatic changes in his policies. :) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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We finally turned the lights on down here in South Carolina. Apparantly, roaches scurry away from the light. Sorry about that. BW
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception."-- Groucho Marx
maybe they're just passing through. i'm sure NC has more lights than West Virginia. ;) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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True enough. I generally try not to use profanity - even here. Phelps and those like him are bigots and morons at best. Personally I think "subhuman fuckwits" is a better description. :mad::mad::mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Phelps did not receive any love as a child. I think we should be upset with his parents. :) -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I'd hope that GW would accept that as a mandate from the people and put his own "morality" aside. polls currently put W's overall ratings in the low to mid 40s, with his ratings on many individual topics even lower (in the 20s for his SS handling, 30s for his handling of Iraq, etc). and, 6 in 10 say he "doesn't share their priorities". if he cared about the will of the people, we'd see some pretty dramatic changes in his policies. :) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote: if he cared about the will of the people, we'd see some pretty dramatic changes in his policies. True. My "hope" was more of a "wish". One that applies to how I'd like to see more elected "leaders" act. I realize the US is a representative republic not a true democracy, but there are situations where pure democratic principles should supercede the representative principles. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Chris Losinger wrote: if he cared about the will of the people, we'd see some pretty dramatic changes in his policies. True. My "hope" was more of a "wish". One that applies to how I'd like to see more elected "leaders" act. I realize the US is a representative republic not a true democracy, but there are situations where pure democratic principles should supercede the representative principles. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: My "hope" was more of a "wish". i know. i just like to show off these polls. :) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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after the pastor in Waynseboro North Carolina threw out of his church everyone who supported John Kerry (then claimed it wasn't political), and the "Flush The Koran" sign (as posted yesterday) in Rutherford county, the city of Durham gets three cross burnings[^] and a visit from the ever-hateful Westboro Baptist "Church"[^]. such a tolerant bunch. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Chris Losinger wrote: so, i guess it was on the Honor System yes, it was, in most cases. I know someone in a related church in the same region that did the same thing, plus ours here did it also. There are probably more, but those are the only three that I have knowledge of and in each case it was honor, though in some cases it was spouses and relatives informing if the person did not admit it. In one case a couple was in abuse counseling through the Church (which I never agree with, but that is only because I have had to endure it), but I do hold my tongue most of the time. The pastor then informed her that not only was her counseling ending, but he was appologizing to the husband for bringing the couple into counseling since obviously the husband saw the demon in her before the Church could. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: The pastor then informed her that not only was her counseling ending, but he was appologizing to the husband for bringing the couple into counseling since obviously the husband saw the demon in her before the Church could. Words fail me. :omg: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.