Global warming...
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Oh please don't hurt my feelings any more! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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"But the ones who would". Are we basing this on pure supposition then? If there is such an easy to find rebuttal of the report issued then please show me links to it. I expect the abuse and ridicule I am getting here. It amuses me to see such intelligent people so distressed at being unable to answer simple questions. Very funny.
fakefur wrote: "But the ones who would". Are we basing this on pure supposition then? You are. A group of scientists who believe that global warming is a problem have signed a petition saying so. In your eyes, this proves everything you want it to. In my eyes, it proves that some scientists believe the available data about global warming is a sign of impending catastrophe, but as I said from my experience, and showed with a link, some scientists disagree. Most scientists believed in eugenics, including some really bright people, about 100 years ago. Should we revive that belief ? fakefur wrote: If there is such an easy to find rebuttal of the report issued then please show me links to it. I'm tempted to repost my link. What's wrong with you ? Are you illiterate ? 'I expect abuse and ridicule' means that the second anyone disagrees with you, you refuse to listen, and play the pariah. Here it is AGAIN in simple terms. The world is currently getting warmer Although some ice caps are growing in size, and the effect is not happening everywhere Nevertheless, the overall effect is one of warming, and some people make a lot of money lobbying for changes to things like our rate of fossil fuel consumption, because they believe this is a man made effect, and that it endangers life on this planet However, the warming was being recorded before we started burning fossil fuels to any great degree And it is a natural state of affairs for our planet to warm and cool Many scientists realise this, but their findings are drowned out by a media that would prefer to claim the sky is falling, as that sort of news attracts more viewers/sells more papers/generates more hits Many people find it easy to demonise big business ( which I agree isn't going to act in all our interests ), and to assume that unless something is done, our planet will be left a smoking ruin. This is very unlikely to happen. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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fakefur wrote: "But the ones who would". Are we basing this on pure supposition then? You are. A group of scientists who believe that global warming is a problem have signed a petition saying so. In your eyes, this proves everything you want it to. In my eyes, it proves that some scientists believe the available data about global warming is a sign of impending catastrophe, but as I said from my experience, and showed with a link, some scientists disagree. Most scientists believed in eugenics, including some really bright people, about 100 years ago. Should we revive that belief ? fakefur wrote: If there is such an easy to find rebuttal of the report issued then please show me links to it. I'm tempted to repost my link. What's wrong with you ? Are you illiterate ? 'I expect abuse and ridicule' means that the second anyone disagrees with you, you refuse to listen, and play the pariah. Here it is AGAIN in simple terms. The world is currently getting warmer Although some ice caps are growing in size, and the effect is not happening everywhere Nevertheless, the overall effect is one of warming, and some people make a lot of money lobbying for changes to things like our rate of fossil fuel consumption, because they believe this is a man made effect, and that it endangers life on this planet However, the warming was being recorded before we started burning fossil fuels to any great degree And it is a natural state of affairs for our planet to warm and cool Many scientists realise this, but their findings are drowned out by a media that would prefer to claim the sky is falling, as that sort of news attracts more viewers/sells more papers/generates more hits Many people find it easy to demonise big business ( which I agree isn't going to act in all our interests ), and to assume that unless something is done, our planet will be left a smoking ruin. This is very unlikely to happen. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Clearly neither you nor the rest of the people who responded to my post even read the links I supplied. If you had this conversation would not have happened. You are quite content to respond to what you thought I said and have a nice discussion all by yourselves. Go right ahead. Like I said before - belief is not necessary for facts to be facts. They simply are. Carry on with the rest fiddling while Rome burns. You all deserve what happens anyways I guess. Now this conversation has become tedious in the extreme.
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No, he's saying that you should look beyond the hype, and investigate the facts. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
What, and ruin a good rant? :rolleyes:
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Clearly neither you nor the rest of the people who responded to my post even read the links I supplied. If you had this conversation would not have happened. You are quite content to respond to what you thought I said and have a nice discussion all by yourselves. Go right ahead. Like I said before - belief is not necessary for facts to be facts. They simply are. Carry on with the rest fiddling while Rome burns. You all deserve what happens anyways I guess. Now this conversation has become tedious in the extreme.
I read your links. This is the sort of crap that shows you to be beyond reason. Anyone with a dissenting view is 'fiddling while Rome burns'. You hypocrite. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Huh? Does that mean you have no comment except trying to imply that I'm not being rational? Is that your idea of reasoned discussion? :confused:
You, sir, are trying your hardest to get a flame war going with anyone and everyone who'll reply. You'd have better luck if you tried to make this a bit less obvious. :|
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As I asked Christian below - Can you give me links to a document or news story or report where many of the worlds top climate scientists have disagreed with the current risks of global warming?
It's late and I haven't read through these, but after a quick google search here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy[^] http://www.cato.org/dailys/04-20-04.html[^] http://www.junkscience.com/[^] The wikipedia one seems to be unbias upon a quick glance.
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Clearly neither you nor the rest of the people who responded to my post even read the links I supplied. If you had this conversation would not have happened. You are quite content to respond to what you thought I said and have a nice discussion all by yourselves. Go right ahead. Like I said before - belief is not necessary for facts to be facts. They simply are. Carry on with the rest fiddling while Rome burns. You all deserve what happens anyways I guess. Now this conversation has become tedious in the extreme.
You are proving Chrisitian's point quite well. We're not a bunch of morons (we're programmers, *smart* people) so it's only natural for most of us to investigate on our own. Don't believe everything they tell you. Investigate the other points of view for yourself.
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Jason Henderson
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Well, guess I'll have to go find someone with a little snap to have a conversation with since the only thing you've added to this debate is: You're saying that all those scientists have got it wrong? In fact there are several folks below waiting for you to add something to the debate and the only thing I've see from you is your smart @$$ remarks. Must be nice to be able to hide behind an email address. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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fakefur wrote: But hey! Don't Let facts spoil the gas-guzzling party guys. I live in England. That's a fact. It's also a fact that 10,000 years ago (that's a blink of an eye in geological terms) the north of England was under 1KM (over half a mile) of ice. Here's another fact for you. 3,000 years ago, people were living in the Outer Hebrides, (islands at the northern tip of England), where it was 3 degrees warmer than it is now. The world changes. Are you saying that those changes were caused by cavemen in Jeep Cherokees?
Graham Bradshaw wrote: people were living in the Outer Hebrides, (islands at the northern tip of England) Excuse me? The environmental argument you're making is fine, but your political geography is well dodgy. The Outer Hebrides are not "at the northern tip of England". They're to the west of Scotland, and not really very close to the English border. Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.