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  • K Konstantin Vasserman

    Here is the latest comments from a user (?) of one of the freeware programs that I wrote and distributed for a couple of years to several hundred thousand users: "hey you idiot, make a good program for once, that is at least compatible with Windows XP. I would appreciate if idiots like you werent tought to program or helped by other good programmers who wasted their time on a good for nothing moron like you." I guess, this message goes well with the survey about "Programmer's egos"... :) I am not sure how I feel about it. Sad, I guess... I am not sure how to deal with someone like this ether... Do I ignore him, do I post a polite response or do I go off on the person? What do you think? Thanks.

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    Paul Watson
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    Konstantin Vasserman wrote: What do you think? Personally I would also feel sad about the whole affair. I would get angry too but at the end of the day I would be pretty hurt. In my opinion if someone downloads a freeware app and does not like it then they have no right to write such a non-productive criticism. By all means they can write back and inform you of various bugs or better ways of doing things, but not what that idiot wrote. Frankly that guy sounds like he has something else against you or is just lashing out at the nearest person to come to mind. I would however not write back to him (funny how I automatically assume it is a guy and not a woman) unless it was to genuinely ask what problems he had with the app. He might calm down and write back what the bug was, at least that is useful. If he answers back negatively though then forget about the whole affair. I would avoid being sarcastic or nasty in your reply email as frankly then you are simply sinking to his level. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge

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    • K Konstantin Vasserman

      Thank you for suggestion. :) I think you are bringing up a whole new theme into this. I mean the whole "freeware" issue when you spend all your time making something for people and give it to them for free and then you get slapped in the face by a bunch of f**kers like the one who posted crap on my message board. I have a good friend who thinks that you should never ever give anything for free, because people should never get something they did not earn. When people get staff they did not pay for (one way or the other) they get spoiled and corrupted... My ventures in freeware world are full of examples of people abusing the good thing and turning into this monsters who expect you to keep giving them stuff. And if you refuse to give - they demand it like you owe them something. It is truly amazing... and very frustrating...

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      peterchen
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      "Give everybody what he deserves - and who avoids the whip?" (Shakespeare, slightly modified...) My attitude to giving away software for free is "I like it, and you can have it the way I like it. If you don't write yer own".

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      • R Rob Manderson

        Damn I said 2 hours earlier - when I meant two hours later... Sorry... I'm too used to seeing the time difference based in Melbourne instead of from Auckland or Wellington.. Rob :-) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net

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        ColinDavies
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        Hi Rob, I'm at a little beach town called Mt-Maunganui, I haven't seen a true C++ person since I got back into coding, 3.5 yrs ago .I'm right into this Internet stuff these days, these collaborative type efforts etc are real Kool. :-) I use to stay at the Essodon Hotel a lot years ago right near the train station, and there is a 7/11 on a corner there. They had strippers there one night a week and some of them could have been Olympic Gymnasts, mate. :-) What I really liked about Melbourne was the Trams, you could have a few beers and just jump on one Fantastic Stuff Mate. What I didnt like about Melbourne was that there were 4 seasons in every day while I was there. You never knew how to dress, one moment it was stinking hot and the next it was blowing a gale, and then it would start pouring down with rain. If I told you who I worked for in Melbourne, you probably wouldn't trust me anymore to be honest! So I wont post it here online, as I'd loose all the good CPian friends I've made real quickly ! Send me a private email and I'll tell you mate :-) Hey does the Australian still have a great technology section on Tuesdays ? There website is pretty garbled and doesn't really show what the printed media does ? Regardz Colin J Davies

        Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

        I live in Bob's HungOut now

        Colin is a big fan of William Goldberg and Frank Tipler and of course Billy Connerly

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        • K Konstantin Vasserman

          Well, I am in the process of removing of my software from the Internet. I've had about enough of this stuff. Anything else I ever write will be commercial software. At least then I will have an incentive to listen to crap from my users... :) Thank you for support. :)

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          ColinDavies
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          Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Well, I am in the process of removing of my software from the Internet. I have already done that mate with my stuff so I've beaten you to it. :-) I truly understand how you feel, mate. Sometimes it just is too much crud to take. I have an alternative Konstantin, It might sound outrightly silly, most of my ideas are. :-) We set up an annonomous freeware download-site. All authors are annonomous ! And collaborativly we nuke nasty folks ISP's and set the trace back to the nasty users IP or Dynamic address. That way they loose there net connection real fast! :-) Just joking Konstatin and trying to cheer you up.:-) Regardz Colin J Davies

          Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

          I live in Bob's HungOut now

          Colin is a big fan of William Goldberg and Frank Tipler and of course Billy Connerly

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            OMG ! You must start the David Wulff wrote: Officer Templeman, Ricahard D. Chief of External Investigations B.L.A. stuff for real David, Tell what can I do to help ! :-) It would be an outright Pleasure to assist you ! :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

            Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

            I live in Bob's HungOut now

            Colin is a big fan of William Goldberg and Frank Tipler

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            David Wulff
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            No way. I made the mistake a few months back of paying to much attention to you guys when BBNO was first dreamt up. "Yes David", "Go on David", "It will be fun". Yeah Right. An entire week of very little real work being done purely for two and a half minutes of absolute drivel! Then of course there was the web site http://www.davidwulf.co.uk/bob. 'nuff said about that. In fact, the only worthwhile thing to come out of all this was the Bill SerGio animation. :omg: ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg

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            • J James T Johnson

              :omg: Remind me never to piss you off :) James

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              David Wulff
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              Nah - I'm a sweat little boy really... ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg

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                Konstantin Vasserman wrote: What do you think? Personally I would also feel sad about the whole affair. I would get angry too but at the end of the day I would be pretty hurt. In my opinion if someone downloads a freeware app and does not like it then they have no right to write such a non-productive criticism. By all means they can write back and inform you of various bugs or better ways of doing things, but not what that idiot wrote. Frankly that guy sounds like he has something else against you or is just lashing out at the nearest person to come to mind. I would however not write back to him (funny how I automatically assume it is a guy and not a woman) unless it was to genuinely ask what problems he had with the app. He might calm down and write back what the bug was, at least that is useful. If he answers back negatively though then forget about the whole affair. I would avoid being sarcastic or nasty in your reply email as frankly then you are simply sinking to his level. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge

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                David Wulff
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                Paul Watson wrote: I would avoid being sarcastic or nasty in your reply email as frankly then you are simply sinking to his level. Yes, but it is fun. Would you deny Konstantin the pleasure of tormenting him a little further? ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg

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                • D David Wulff

                  Nah - I'm a sweat little boy really... ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg

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                  Paul Watson
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                  David Wulff wrote: Nah - I'm a sweat little boy really... Unless they are American, right? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge

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                    David Wulff wrote: Nah - I'm a sweat little boy really... Unless they are American, right? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge

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                    David Wulff
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                    Gosh Paul, I don't know what you mean. :rolleyes: ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg

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                    • K Konstantin Vasserman

                      Here is the latest comments from a user (?) of one of the freeware programs that I wrote and distributed for a couple of years to several hundred thousand users: "hey you idiot, make a good program for once, that is at least compatible with Windows XP. I would appreciate if idiots like you werent tought to program or helped by other good programmers who wasted their time on a good for nothing moron like you." I guess, this message goes well with the survey about "Programmer's egos"... :) I am not sure how I feel about it. Sad, I guess... I am not sure how to deal with someone like this ether... Do I ignore him, do I post a polite response or do I go off on the person? What do you think? Thanks.

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                      David Cunningham
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                      Konstantin, Well, that's the funny thing about it I suppose, the users of the software think you're getting something out of it anyway, in the form of advertising (Dundas Upload), promoting something else (Eudora), or building a user base you'll later try to commercialize (BCGSoft), so people act like they've paid for the software even if they haven't. All that being said, the tone the guy used was not constructive or supportive, and so doesn't deserve the consideration you're giving him or the concern he's caused you. If you want to push back on him, I'd simply send him an email revoking his license to use the software. David http://www.dundas.com

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                      • K Konstantin Vasserman

                        Here is the latest comments from a user (?) of one of the freeware programs that I wrote and distributed for a couple of years to several hundred thousand users: "hey you idiot, make a good program for once, that is at least compatible with Windows XP. I would appreciate if idiots like you werent tought to program or helped by other good programmers who wasted their time on a good for nothing moron like you." I guess, this message goes well with the survey about "Programmer's egos"... :) I am not sure how I feel about it. Sad, I guess... I am not sure how to deal with someone like this ether... Do I ignore him, do I post a polite response or do I go off on the person? What do you think? Thanks.

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                        realJSOP
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                        Well, the software is free, so he has no room to bitch. Tell him thanks for the feedback and that you truly appreciate such valuable insight that is as eloquently stated as he has done. Add a smiley at the end - that'll piss him off. Oh yeah, you should include his comments on your web page so that others can see how much he enjoys your software. Now, if only Dundas would only finish their CNukeThatCluelessAsshole class, we'd be in business. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                        • K Konstantin Vasserman

                          Here is the latest comments from a user (?) of one of the freeware programs that I wrote and distributed for a couple of years to several hundred thousand users: "hey you idiot, make a good program for once, that is at least compatible with Windows XP. I would appreciate if idiots like you werent tought to program or helped by other good programmers who wasted their time on a good for nothing moron like you." I guess, this message goes well with the survey about "Programmer's egos"... :) I am not sure how I feel about it. Sad, I guess... I am not sure how to deal with someone like this ether... Do I ignore him, do I post a polite response or do I go off on the person? What do you think? Thanks.

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                          Todd Smith
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                          I would ask him what didn't work and if it's reasonable to fix let him know. If he isn't willing to take the time to explain what the problem is then he's just a troll and you can ignore him.

                          Todd Smith

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                          • realJSOPR realJSOP

                            Well, the software is free, so he has no room to bitch. Tell him thanks for the feedback and that you truly appreciate such valuable insight that is as eloquently stated as he has done. Add a smiley at the end - that'll piss him off. Oh yeah, you should include his comments on your web page so that others can see how much he enjoys your software. Now, if only Dundas would only finish their CNukeThatCluelessAsshole class, we'd be in business. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                            ColinDavies
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                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Now, if only Dundas would only finish their CNukeThatCluelessAsshole class, we'd be in business. How would you go about building a CNukeThatCluelessAsshole John, Would it be something like a Denial of service type attack or email flooding or just plain bombing ! Should it work as a group project using authorised drones also and 3rd party servers ? I don't know the law but is it legal ? Because I'd hate to get involved in something illegal. You yanks might believe in the freedom of speech stuff but I believe in the freedom to Nuke nastys. I never signed the SALT II thingy so I suppose I'm exempt! :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

                            Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

                            I live in Bob's HungOut now

                            Colin is a big fan of William Goldberg and Frank Tipler and of course Billy Connerly

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                            • K Konstantin Vasserman

                              Here is the latest comments from a user (?) of one of the freeware programs that I wrote and distributed for a couple of years to several hundred thousand users: "hey you idiot, make a good program for once, that is at least compatible with Windows XP. I would appreciate if idiots like you werent tought to program or helped by other good programmers who wasted their time on a good for nothing moron like you." I guess, this message goes well with the survey about "Programmer's egos"... :) I am not sure how I feel about it. Sad, I guess... I am not sure how to deal with someone like this ether... Do I ignore him, do I post a polite response or do I go off on the person? What do you think? Thanks.

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                              Steven Hicks n 1
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                              I wouldn't take offence. The person that wrote it has too much time on their hands. If any body is the idiot its them, they can even create the program themsleves. If you are still maintaining the program i would try to get feedback on what to improve if i was you. I have has somepeople email me things like that such as "it will not work on win98" and thats all they said. I developed the program on Win98. Go Figure. -Steven Visit Ltpb.8m.com
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                              • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                Well, the software is free, so he has no room to bitch. Tell him thanks for the feedback and that you truly appreciate such valuable insight that is as eloquently stated as he has done. Add a smiley at the end - that'll piss him off. Oh yeah, you should include his comments on your web page so that others can see how much he enjoys your software. Now, if only Dundas would only finish their CNukeThatCluelessAsshole class, we'd be in business. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                Now, if only Dundas would only finish their CNukeThatCluelessAsshole class, we'd be in business. Somehow I think our team would benefit by having you involved in the design phase... No reason I can put my finger on directly, but I just have this feeling :) David http://www.dundas.com

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                                • K Konstantin Vasserman

                                  Here is the latest comments from a user (?) of one of the freeware programs that I wrote and distributed for a couple of years to several hundred thousand users: "hey you idiot, make a good program for once, that is at least compatible with Windows XP. I would appreciate if idiots like you werent tought to program or helped by other good programmers who wasted their time on a good for nothing moron like you." I guess, this message goes well with the survey about "Programmer's egos"... :) I am not sure how I feel about it. Sad, I guess... I am not sure how to deal with someone like this ether... Do I ignore him, do I post a polite response or do I go off on the person? What do you think? Thanks.

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                                  billb2112
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                                  The guys an idiot and you're not ... why waste your time? You're obviously productive, why expel precious energy on this useless turd? It will serve no purpose.

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                                    <rant> I would personally respond with an 'updated' version of your program which purports to fix the bug running under XP. Instead, it would contain a virus to fuck his computer up big style. A bit harsh maybe but I've been in this situation before and it *really* annoys me when I've sweated blood over a piece of software which I have given away for free and people rudely complain when it doesn't do what they expect it to. Kinda like when people complain about inaccuracies in the articles here - are they forgetting that this stuff is all free and people are only doing this to help them. </rant> James Spibey I love the word naked, it's brilliant isn't it, 'naked'. When I was a kid I used to write the word naked on a bit of paper hundreds of times and rub my face in it - Jeff, Coupling, BBC2

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                                    Steven Hicks n 1
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                                    I would do the same, but... the user would keep sending you more messages like it, and would post it somewhere else. I agree that they should be thankful for the software thats free. -Steven Visit Ltpb.8m.com
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                                      Now, if only Dundas would only finish their CNukeThatCluelessAsshole class, we'd be in business. Somehow I think our team would benefit by having you involved in the design phase... No reason I can put my finger on directly, but I just have this feeling :) David http://www.dundas.com

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                                      I've been trying for a couple of days, but I think my class hierarchy is problematic. Everytime I try to derive a new class from CClueless and CAsshole. I think it's a mixture of namespace issues (it seems that CSphincter and CAnalPore are abstract classes with identical but differentiated quasi-static callback functions), and Microsoft's tendancy to abstract most of the class' functionality through a dense intertwining set of macros, constants, and obscure STL code. Add all of that to the fact that it's a damn COM object with an undisclosed interface, and we're talkin a major crapload of work. On the positive side, a quick phone call to Microsoft has confirmed (at least for me) the possibility of them improving the help files and extending this COM object into it's own full-fledged next-generation framework that they're tentatively calling ".BUTT". "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                      • D David Wulff

                                        No way. I made the mistake a few months back of paying to much attention to you guys when BBNO was first dreamt up. "Yes David", "Go on David", "It will be fun". Yeah Right. An entire week of very little real work being done purely for two and a half minutes of absolute drivel! Then of course there was the web site http://www.davidwulf.co.uk/bob. 'nuff said about that. In fact, the only worthwhile thing to come out of all this was the Bill SerGio animation. :omg: ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg

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                                        moliate
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                                        I must say that I'm a bit new on CP, but what is this BOB-thing? Does it have anything to do with Church of the Subgenius? :confused: :confused: :confused: /moliate /moliate

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                                          I must say that I'm a bit new on CP, but what is this BOB-thing? Does it have anything to do with Church of the Subgenius? :confused: :confused: :confused: /moliate /moliate

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                                          David Wulff
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                                          Not quite! Although Bob almost hgad a religious folowing for a while (the bob-mania seems to have dies down now). Bob is tyhat little green guy peering out at you from the top of the page: :bob:. He has even stared in a feature film named Bob's Big Night Out. You can find out more about Bob - including a full life history - and view the movie at the Bob Lovers Anonymous website. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg

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