Life after death. (just for fun)
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Tim Craig wrote: It's inconsistent, contradictory This is untrue. No one has ever been able to show me a contradiction in the Bible. [Edit] I thought of this after I made this post originally. Tim Craig wrote: and to make anything out of it, you have to provide your own interpretation Let me try a small example. Jesus said that the two greatest commandments were: "You must love God with your whole soul." and: "You must love your neighbor as yourself." What difficult interpretation does one need to make to understand this, where Jesus points out that we need to live our lives based on love for God and for our fellow man? I don't really see how other interpretations can make this a low standard. [/Edit] Tim Craig wrote: I was thinking ESPECIALLY the bible. You actually said religion, which is why I asked. Tim Craig wrote: The rest is rubbish or archaic at best and toss it in the dust bin of time rather than worshipping something that impedes progress. Would you like to provide an example? All the principles in the Bible are very useful even in modern day. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me! -- modified at 16:28 Monday 3rd October, 2005
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Tim Craig wrote: And "we" don't all accept the bible as being high standards. What in the Bible would you say is low standards? BTW, I made that comment in response to Colin's comment about 'we have the law'. I was reiterating that we also have other standards we can hold ourselves to. Tim Craig wrote: Especially, with all the crap that comes along with accepting the full christian package. Because Christianity has done a poor job of representing God and the Bible doesn't detract from the Bible. I was only standing behind the Bible. I agree with you that the majority of so-called 'Christian' relgions are full of crap, and lies, and double standards, and invalid traditions, etc., etc. And yet still, the Bible's standards are the most perfect. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
bugDanny wrote: I agree with you that the majority of so-called 'Christian' relgions are full of crap, and lies, and double standards, and invalid traditions, etc., etc. So your version of christianity is the one true version? Why should I believe that your one true version is better than all the other christian or. for that matter, all the other religions that run amok proclaiming they're the one true religion. And to save you the trouble of answering, they all proclaim that because they say so and no one can prove they're not.
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Tim Craig wrote: If you're postulating that god is just part of nature Absolutely not. By definitioSupreme Being, God would BE nature and the known universe and multiverse. We will never ever discover him/her. It's like saying a painting will eventually discover its painter. end, we're only three dimentional bening trying to understand an infinitely complex one (that created us). Can only happen if God wanted it so. Thus, the atheists will always say there is no God, and the religious will say we can never truly understand him. That does not mean either is wrong. It just m,eans we'll never know, as it should be. Imagine the meaning of life if you knew the meaning of life? It would be meaningless. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote: By definitioSupreme Being, God would BE nature and the known universe and multiverse. We will never ever discover him/her Then this definition is just a rehash of all the creation myths used by religions and the current creationist zealots. Basically, we can't explain it so let's jump to a mystical explanation. We'll make up a fanciful story that sounds plausible to those who won't think about about it and then when it's questioned by someone who does think, we just deny that it can ever be explained. Sorry, but no sale here.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote: By definitioSupreme Being, God would BE nature and the known universe and multiverse. We will never ever discover him/her Then this definition is just a rehash of all the creation myths used by religions and the current creationist zealots. Basically, we can't explain it so let's jump to a mystical explanation. We'll make up a fanciful story that sounds plausible to those who won't think about about it and then when it's questioned by someone who does think, we just deny that it can ever be explained. Sorry, but no sale here.
Lack of proof is not the same as counter-proof. Again, just because you do not wish to believe in it, it doesn't mean it can't be true. In mathematics, proving that two parallel lines will never meet is known as Euclid's 5th Postulate, and hyperbolic geometry is just as valid as Euclidean geometry. Just because we cannot prove it one way or the other, it doesn't mean that we don't accept it. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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bugDanny wrote: I agree with you that the majority of so-called 'Christian' relgions are full of crap, and lies, and double standards, and invalid traditions, etc., etc. So your version of christianity is the one true version? Why should I believe that your one true version is better than all the other christian or. for that matter, all the other religions that run amok proclaiming they're the one true religion. And to save you the trouble of answering, they all proclaim that because they say so and no one can prove they're not.
Actually there are several ways we can tell which religion is true, if we look to the Bible, which should be our guide. Jesus said, "By their fruits you will recognize them." To discover the true religion, we will be able to tell by their 'fruits' or what they produce. Jesus also said, "By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves." So the true religion would have love among its members, and not just in one country, but worldwide. Why? Acts 10:34, 35: "God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him." Also, Jesus started one Christian religion, and Ephesians 4:4,5 says, "One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;" The Bible foretold that after the death of the apostles, wrong teachings and unchristian practices would slowly come into the Christian congregation, which is why we seem to have so many religions that claim to be Christian. But another mark of the true religion is that its members have a deep respect for the Bible. 2 Tim. 3:16,17: "All Scripture is inspired of God." And this religion must also honor God's name. Jesus said at John 17:6, "I have made your name manifest." And at 17:26, "I have made your name known to them and will make it known." Also, true Chrisitians would follow Jesus command at Matthew 28:19,20, to "go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Fathe and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded of you." So we would take part in a worldwide ministry, like Jesus and the first-century Christians did. Lastly, Jesus said, "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." Just as Jesus refused to be made king, Christians would not get involved in the world's political affairs. And we would also avoid harmful conduct, practices and attitudes that are common in the world. These are some of the 'identifying marks' of true Christianity, as set forth in the Bible. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!