Well, a perfect reason of invasion has arrived, so can we invade now?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Been there, done that.
Then do it again. Instead of high schoolers, you'd be a better fit. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Then do it again. Instead of high schoolers, you'd be a better fit.
I actually tried. I'm still in much better shape than your aveage American 18 year old couch potato , but the military didn't think puting at 51 year old man in the field was a good idea. I would love to go over there and help fight these evil bastards though. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You think you can show nothing but prejudice and hatred towards Americans,
You are wrong. Not agreeing, having a differnt opinion and criticizing *does not* mean hatred. Its your hate filled mind that is making this assumption.
Stan Shannon wrote:
when we respond in kind you get to play the race card?
What race card did I play? :wtf:
Stan Shannon wrote:
You will find that not every westerner is that goddamned brain washed.
Yes, I agree. See what British, Canadian, Italian, German, Spanish think of you.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I will match you prejudice for prejudice and hate for hate. Get used to it.
Speak for yourself. X| Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Speak for yourself
No, I will also speak for you because you are a lieing bastard incapable of dealing with the truth. You are fucking hate monger of the most vile type. You and those like you need to be confronted on it and no longer allowed to spew your venom unopposed. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Speak for yourself
No, I will also speak for you because you are a lieing bastard incapable of dealing with the truth. You are fucking hate monger of the most vile type. You and those like you need to be confronted on it and no longer allowed to spew your venom unopposed. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote:
No, I will also speak for you because you are a lieing bastard incapable of dealing with the truth. You are f***ing hate monger of the most vile type. You and those like you need to be confronted on it and no longer allowed to spew your venom unopposed.
Well, looks like your venom is most potent here. [Edited] And, NO, no body has a right to speak for me, but me. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this; -- modified at 13:56 Saturday 22nd October, 2005
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Been there, done that.
Then do it again. Instead of high schoolers, you'd be a better fit. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Instead of high schoolers
Actually, High School graduation is a PRErequisite to military service in this country. The only "high schoolers" fighting in Iraq are not American... And even high school graduates under the age of 18 require parental consent to enlist... But then, I doubt that you would know that, or bother to find out. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
His rant is directed at this administration, which is full of inept, corrupt, war-mongering buffoons.
Equating the activities of the intelligence agencies of a country he lives in to those of some murderous tyranny in the middle east is not a slam at Bush, it is a slam at the US and the west in general. That is about as vile and low as a person can get. If he trully believes that crap he should at least have the decency to leave (and take you with him) and stop using the freedoms those institutions help provide to him to spread his propaganda. If he has the courage to go to Syria and make the same comments about them, then I would have some respect for him. It is not really all that brave to criticize when you know no one will confront you on it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Equating the activities of the intelligence agencies of a country he lives in to those of some murderous tyranny in the middle east is not a slam at Bush, it is a slam at the US and the west in general.
Just read this one, specially the Third World section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA[^] And its people like you who are converting the current situation around the world into "Clash of Civilizations", "Crusades", "Jihad" and other crapola and only sufferers are the poor civilians.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If he has the courage to go to Syria and make the same comments about them, then I would have some respect for him. It is not really all that brave to criticize when you know no one will confront you on it.
Syria is a dictatorship, not a democracy. They dont claim to be open and fair. They persecute whosoever they dislike, thats the very essence of a dictatorship and THAT'S what you are proposing that no body has no right to object and governments have the absolute authority over every thing (hint hint). Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Instead of high schoolers
Actually, High School graduation is a PRErequisite to military service in this country. The only "high schoolers" fighting in Iraq are not American... And even high school graduates under the age of 18 require parental consent to enlist... But then, I doubt that you would know that, or bother to find out. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
Rob Graham wrote:
Actually, High School graduation is a PRErequisite to military service in this country. The only "high schoolers" fighting in Iraq are not American... And even high school graduates under the age of 18 require parental consent to enlist... But then, I doubt that you would know that, or bother to find out.
I did not mean to point out educational qualification, I meant their age. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Rob Graham wrote:
Actually, High School graduation is a PRErequisite to military service in this country. The only "high schoolers" fighting in Iraq are not American... And even high school graduates under the age of 18 require parental consent to enlist... But then, I doubt that you would know that, or bother to find out.
I did not mean to point out educational qualification, I meant their age. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
If they are High Scool graduates, then they are no longer of High School age either. Your premise is incorrect anyway. In 2003 (latest data I could find) only 17% of active duty army personnel were in the 17-20 age group. The remaining 83% were 21 or older.http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/demographics/FY03ArmyProfileWebVs.pdf[^] You should check your "fact" more thoroughly/ Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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kgaddy wrote:
Do you believe that if a nation is going aroung killing people of other nations, that nation should be stopped?
Yes.
kgaddy wrote:
And how do you propose that we stop one nation from killing people from another nation?
First by looking ourselves in mirror. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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And the CIA bombed a civilian airliner because that plane was supposed to carry Chou En-lai to the Non-Aligned Nations Conference at Bandung, Indonesia. I just LOVE the justifications Americans bring up for the misdeeds of their government. I wonder, is it patriotism (the last refuge of scoundrels, if I remember correctly) or just plain stupidity?
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kgaddy wrote:
What do we do then?
Any thing but war, if thats not too difficult.:sigh: Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Ok, this is great. You look at yourself in the mirror. THen you origional problem is still there. How do you stop the evil nation?
OK here is another anoymous pussy (or the same one) with a very valid point.
Anonymous wrote:
How do you stop the evil nation?
By not letting the powerful take over the powerless. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Do you not understand that when one country is killing people of another country you are already at war????
Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that when one country is killing people of another country you are already at war????
Yes I do understand. Whats your point? So let me rephrase it again, why wars are the only valid solutions powerful have? Just b/c they know that they can? Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Equating the activities of the intelligence agencies of a country he lives in to those of some murderous tyranny in the middle east is not a slam at Bush, it is a slam at the US and the west in general.
Just read this one, specially the Third World section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA[^] And its people like you who are converting the current situation around the world into "Clash of Civilizations", "Crusades", "Jihad" and other crapola and only sufferers are the poor civilians.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If he has the courage to go to Syria and make the same comments about them, then I would have some respect for him. It is not really all that brave to criticize when you know no one will confront you on it.
Syria is a dictatorship, not a democracy. They dont claim to be open and fair. They persecute whosoever they dislike, thats the very essence of a dictatorship and THAT'S what you are proposing that no body has no right to object and governments have the absolute authority over every thing (hint hint). Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Just read this one, specially the Third World section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA\[^\] And its people like you who are converting the current situation around the world into "Clash of Civilizations", "Crusades", "Jihad" and other crapola and only sufferers are the poor civilians.
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for. I think we should take that threat seriously. You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue. Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
They persecute whosoever they dislike, thats the very essence of a dictatorship and THAT'S what you are proposing that no body has no right to object and governments have the absolute authority over every thing (hint hint).
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history. You have an absolute right to say anything you please, I've never once said you didn't. But when you open your fat mouth and prove beyond doubt that your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it, I also have the freedom to get in your face about it - and I intend to. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 21:31 Saturday 22nd October, 2005
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Just like there is no PROOF that Syria ordered the Hariri murder, just accusations.
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Just read this one, specially the Third World section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA\[^\] And its people like you who are converting the current situation around the world into "Clash of Civilizations", "Crusades", "Jihad" and other crapola and only sufferers are the poor civilians.
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for. I think we should take that threat seriously. You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue. Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
They persecute whosoever they dislike, thats the very essence of a dictatorship and THAT'S what you are proposing that no body has no right to object and governments have the absolute authority over every thing (hint hint).
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history. You have an absolute right to say anything you please, I've never once said you didn't. But when you open your fat mouth and prove beyond doubt that your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it, I also have the freedom to get in your face about it - and I intend to. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 21:31 Saturday 22nd October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for.
Well, ironically, who you think are attacking you, think that you attacked them first.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue.
And get what out of it?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
As if, me and family, friends and people who I care about don't get affected by this clash. The world today has gotten so close and interconnected that its impossible to not get affected. Denial is not going to help.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history.
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few. But eventually all persihed for one reason or the other b/c to every rise there is fall. All powers have persihed and their places taken away by new ones and the cycle goes on.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood. How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the
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If they are High Scool graduates, then they are no longer of High School age either. Your premise is incorrect anyway. In 2003 (latest data I could find) only 17% of active duty army personnel were in the 17-20 age group. The remaining 83% were 21 or older.http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/demographics/FY03ArmyProfileWebVs.pdf[^] You should check your "fact" more thoroughly/ Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
:sigh: I was talking about how enrollment is missing its targets and recruiters are making more and more visits to high schools to get young people to sign up. And thats not welcomed in many neighbourhoods. I know atleast 4-5 school districts that have sent a letter of discontentment and have successfully stopped/reduced the activity of military recruiters. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for.
Well, ironically, who you think are attacking you, think that you attacked them first.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue.
And get what out of it?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
As if, me and family, friends and people who I care about don't get affected by this clash. The world today has gotten so close and interconnected that its impossible to not get affected. Denial is not going to help.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history.
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few. But eventually all persihed for one reason or the other b/c to every rise there is fall. All powers have persihed and their places taken away by new ones and the cycle goes on.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood. How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right? If your going to be a fuck wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right? If your going to be a fuck wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
Josh Gray wrote:
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right?
What makes you think I'm anti-abortion?
Josh Gray wrote:
If your going to be a f*** wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
I'm the very soul of consistency. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Josh Gray wrote:
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right?
What makes you think I'm anti-abortion?
Josh Gray wrote:
If your going to be a f*** wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
I'm the very soul of consistency. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies