Well, a perfect reason of invasion has arrived, so can we invade now?
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Rob Graham wrote:
Actually, High School graduation is a PRErequisite to military service in this country. The only "high schoolers" fighting in Iraq are not American... And even high school graduates under the age of 18 require parental consent to enlist... But then, I doubt that you would know that, or bother to find out.
I did not mean to point out educational qualification, I meant their age. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
If they are High Scool graduates, then they are no longer of High School age either. Your premise is incorrect anyway. In 2003 (latest data I could find) only 17% of active duty army personnel were in the 17-20 age group. The remaining 83% were 21 or older.http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/demographics/FY03ArmyProfileWebVs.pdf[^] You should check your "fact" more thoroughly/ Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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kgaddy wrote:
Do you believe that if a nation is going aroung killing people of other nations, that nation should be stopped?
Yes.
kgaddy wrote:
And how do you propose that we stop one nation from killing people from another nation?
First by looking ourselves in mirror. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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And the CIA bombed a civilian airliner because that plane was supposed to carry Chou En-lai to the Non-Aligned Nations Conference at Bandung, Indonesia. I just LOVE the justifications Americans bring up for the misdeeds of their government. I wonder, is it patriotism (the last refuge of scoundrels, if I remember correctly) or just plain stupidity?
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kgaddy wrote:
What do we do then?
Any thing but war, if thats not too difficult.:sigh: Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Ok, this is great. You look at yourself in the mirror. THen you origional problem is still there. How do you stop the evil nation?
OK here is another anoymous pussy (or the same one) with a very valid point.
Anonymous wrote:
How do you stop the evil nation?
By not letting the powerful take over the powerless. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Do you not understand that when one country is killing people of another country you are already at war????
Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that when one country is killing people of another country you are already at war????
Yes I do understand. Whats your point? So let me rephrase it again, why wars are the only valid solutions powerful have? Just b/c they know that they can? Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Equating the activities of the intelligence agencies of a country he lives in to those of some murderous tyranny in the middle east is not a slam at Bush, it is a slam at the US and the west in general.
Just read this one, specially the Third World section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA[^] And its people like you who are converting the current situation around the world into "Clash of Civilizations", "Crusades", "Jihad" and other crapola and only sufferers are the poor civilians.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If he has the courage to go to Syria and make the same comments about them, then I would have some respect for him. It is not really all that brave to criticize when you know no one will confront you on it.
Syria is a dictatorship, not a democracy. They dont claim to be open and fair. They persecute whosoever they dislike, thats the very essence of a dictatorship and THAT'S what you are proposing that no body has no right to object and governments have the absolute authority over every thing (hint hint). Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Just read this one, specially the Third World section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA\[^\] And its people like you who are converting the current situation around the world into "Clash of Civilizations", "Crusades", "Jihad" and other crapola and only sufferers are the poor civilians.
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for. I think we should take that threat seriously. You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue. Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
They persecute whosoever they dislike, thats the very essence of a dictatorship and THAT'S what you are proposing that no body has no right to object and governments have the absolute authority over every thing (hint hint).
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history. You have an absolute right to say anything you please, I've never once said you didn't. But when you open your fat mouth and prove beyond doubt that your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it, I also have the freedom to get in your face about it - and I intend to. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 21:31 Saturday 22nd October, 2005
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Just like there is no PROOF that Syria ordered the Hariri murder, just accusations.
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Just read this one, specially the Third World section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA\[^\] And its people like you who are converting the current situation around the world into "Clash of Civilizations", "Crusades", "Jihad" and other crapola and only sufferers are the poor civilians.
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for. I think we should take that threat seriously. You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue. Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
They persecute whosoever they dislike, thats the very essence of a dictatorship and THAT'S what you are proposing that no body has no right to object and governments have the absolute authority over every thing (hint hint).
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history. You have an absolute right to say anything you please, I've never once said you didn't. But when you open your fat mouth and prove beyond doubt that your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it, I also have the freedom to get in your face about it - and I intend to. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 21:31 Saturday 22nd October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for.
Well, ironically, who you think are attacking you, think that you attacked them first.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue.
And get what out of it?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
As if, me and family, friends and people who I care about don't get affected by this clash. The world today has gotten so close and interconnected that its impossible to not get affected. Denial is not going to help.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history.
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few. But eventually all persihed for one reason or the other b/c to every rise there is fall. All powers have persihed and their places taken away by new ones and the cycle goes on.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood. How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the
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If they are High Scool graduates, then they are no longer of High School age either. Your premise is incorrect anyway. In 2003 (latest data I could find) only 17% of active duty army personnel were in the 17-20 age group. The remaining 83% were 21 or older.http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/demographics/FY03ArmyProfileWebVs.pdf[^] You should check your "fact" more thoroughly/ Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
:sigh: I was talking about how enrollment is missing its targets and recruiters are making more and more visits to high schools to get young people to sign up. And thats not welcomed in many neighbourhoods. I know atleast 4-5 school districts that have sent a letter of discontentment and have successfully stopped/reduced the activity of military recruiters. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for.
Well, ironically, who you think are attacking you, think that you attacked them first.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue.
And get what out of it?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
As if, me and family, friends and people who I care about don't get affected by this clash. The world today has gotten so close and interconnected that its impossible to not get affected. Denial is not going to help.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history.
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few. But eventually all persihed for one reason or the other b/c to every rise there is fall. All powers have persihed and their places taken away by new ones and the cycle goes on.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood. How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right? If your going to be a fuck wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right? If your going to be a fuck wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
Josh Gray wrote:
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right?
What makes you think I'm anti-abortion?
Josh Gray wrote:
If your going to be a f*** wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
I'm the very soul of consistency. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Josh Gray wrote:
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right?
What makes you think I'm anti-abortion?
Josh Gray wrote:
If your going to be a f*** wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
I'm the very soul of consistency. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
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I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
Josh Gray wrote:
I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
But that isn't inconsistent. Those nine judges were acting outside of their constitutional powers. They have no authority to decide whether something that is not in the constitution, and has not been decided on by our democratically elected legislators, should be legal or not. They are not empowerd to simply decide that something should be law just because they happen to be in favor of it. They are the judicial branch, not the legislative branch. That is what I am opposed to, not abortion itself. In any case, I was referring primarily to US foreign policy, not internal debates. Sorry for not being more explicite. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
But that isn't inconsistent. Those nine judges were acting outside of their constitutional powers. They have no authority to decide whether something that is not in the constitution, and has not been decided on by our democratically elected legislators, should be legal or not. They are not empowerd to simply decide that something should be law just because they happen to be in favor of it. They are the judicial branch, not the legislative branch. That is what I am opposed to, not abortion itself. In any case, I was referring primarily to US foreign policy, not internal debates. Sorry for not being more explicite. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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So your country passed that (those) laws unconsitutionally. Did it do that with your approval? So you approve of some things and not others?
Josh Gray wrote:
Did it do that with your approval?
To the extent I participated in the democratic process which resulted in that constitutional abuse and neither left the country nor tried to overthrow its government by force, than, certainly, I suppose it must have met with my approval. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Just like there is no PROOF that Syria ordered the Hariri murder, just accusations.
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I suppose the overthrow of the government of Iran in 1955, the government in Guatemala in 1954, the government in Chile in the 1970s were all just accidents. Remember, all these governments were legitimately elected by their people. Unlike a country where the Supreme Court stops the vote count while deliberating and then announces there isn't enough time anymore to re-count the votes.
Vivic wrote:
nlike a country where the Supreme Court stops the vote count while deliberating and then announces there isn't enough time anymore to re-count the votes.
You need to read the ruling. The Supreme Court said you cannot selectivly count votes in certain counties, if you are going to have a recount, you have to do ALL counties.
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment.
When people in those areas/time were busy in creating sciences, cultures, civilizations rest of the world was in dark.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed!
Just go back and see what language do you use?
Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary.
THAT proves that the number of functional grey cells in your brain can be counted by a short intreger.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot.
Yeah but your 'corrupt' govt will not do that BECAUSE there is oil in those areas. No seriously, why not give it a shot? Let the ragheads fight, kill themselves and waste their oil, problem solved for you. BUT WAIT, you wont have oil to burn in your SUVs. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;