Well, a perfect reason of invasion has arrived, so can we invade now?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No, it is a clash of civilizations because that is what the people who are attacking us are fighting for.
Well, ironically, who you think are attacking you, think that you attacked them first.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are one of those who wishes to obfuscate that threat and lull the west into a deluded perspective about what exactly is at stake in this issue.
And get what out of it?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Just because you don't care about which civilization wins doesn't mean that it isn't a clash of civilizations. What the hell do you have to lose in either case - all you have to do is stand and watch.
As if, me and family, friends and people who I care about don't get affected by this clash. The world today has gotten so close and interconnected that its impossible to not get affected. Denial is not going to help.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Being a member of a family and a religion that has maintained a constitutional republic for 200+ years now, I don't think I need lectures on how to continue to do so - especially from someone who belongs to a family and a religion that has never managed to achieve that in all their long history.
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few. But eventually all persihed for one reason or the other b/c to every rise there is fall. All powers have persihed and their places taken away by new ones and the cycle goes on.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your loyalties are much stronger to those trying to destroy your new homeland than to those trying to defend it
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood. How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right? If your going to be a fuck wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right? If your going to be a fuck wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
Josh Gray wrote:
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right?
What makes you think I'm anti-abortion?
Josh Gray wrote:
If your going to be a f*** wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
I'm the very soul of consistency. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Josh Gray wrote:
Except for when the impose laws on abortion on you right?
What makes you think I'm anti-abortion?
Josh Gray wrote:
If your going to be a f*** wit then thats fine, you prove the theory that there is at least one in every group but be consistant or you just make an arse of yourself.
I'm the very soul of consistency. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
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I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
Josh Gray wrote:
I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
But that isn't inconsistent. Those nine judges were acting outside of their constitutional powers. They have no authority to decide whether something that is not in the constitution, and has not been decided on by our democratically elected legislators, should be legal or not. They are not empowerd to simply decide that something should be law just because they happen to be in favor of it. They are the judicial branch, not the legislative branch. That is what I am opposed to, not abortion itself. In any case, I was referring primarily to US foreign policy, not internal debates. Sorry for not being more explicite. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I dont think your anti abortion. In a previous discussion you said that the US abortion laws were forced upon you by nine judges. You went on to say that it was a tyrany. Then you go on to say that your country does what it does with your approval. Just pointing out your inconsisnacies
But that isn't inconsistent. Those nine judges were acting outside of their constitutional powers. They have no authority to decide whether something that is not in the constitution, and has not been decided on by our democratically elected legislators, should be legal or not. They are not empowerd to simply decide that something should be law just because they happen to be in favor of it. They are the judicial branch, not the legislative branch. That is what I am opposed to, not abortion itself. In any case, I was referring primarily to US foreign policy, not internal debates. Sorry for not being more explicite. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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So your country passed that (those) laws unconsitutionally. Did it do that with your approval? So you approve of some things and not others?
Josh Gray wrote:
Did it do that with your approval?
To the extent I participated in the democratic process which resulted in that constitutional abuse and neither left the country nor tried to overthrow its government by force, than, certainly, I suppose it must have met with my approval. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Just like there is no PROOF that Syria ordered the Hariri murder, just accusations.
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I suppose the overthrow of the government of Iran in 1955, the government in Guatemala in 1954, the government in Chile in the 1970s were all just accidents. Remember, all these governments were legitimately elected by their people. Unlike a country where the Supreme Court stops the vote count while deliberating and then announces there isn't enough time anymore to re-count the votes.
Vivic wrote:
nlike a country where the Supreme Court stops the vote count while deliberating and then announces there isn't enough time anymore to re-count the votes.
You need to read the ruling. The Supreme Court said you cannot selectivly count votes in certain counties, if you are going to have a recount, you have to do ALL counties.
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well looks like you never heard of Umayyad[^] and Ottoman[^] to name a few.
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment. :laugh:
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Dude, I hate to break it to you now that if I did not care about my "new homeland" I wouldn't be pointing out it mistakes b/c its actions are making it isolated, misunderstood.
No, you are helping to promote that misunderstanding. No action that our intelligence agencies or military have ever taken were done in a political vacume. The US spent the bulk of the 20th century saving the people of the world, including the middle east, from a return to true European imperialism. We may have made mistakes along the way, we may have made messes where we didn't need to, but the sum total of our efforts is a freer and more prosperous planet. As a nation we deserve credit for that not contempt, and I for one am not going to apologize to any fucking Muslim for having saved their sorry, ungrateful asses.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How difficult is it to understand that non Americans specially Muslims and Arabs dont hate America, American people, their way of life, their principles. They hate the actions of its corrupt rulers when they support tyrannies and dictators over them and send their soldiers to occupy their lands. Much like how British and other european rulers were hated b/c of their imperialistic plots and colonialism.
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed! My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary. If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 15:55 Sunday 23rd October, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment.
When people in those areas/time were busy in creating sciences, cultures, civilizations rest of the world was in dark.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed!
Just go back and see what language do you use?
Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary.
THAT proves that the number of functional grey cells in your brain can be counted by a short intreger.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot.
Yeah but your 'corrupt' govt will not do that BECAUSE there is oil in those areas. No seriously, why not give it a shot? Let the ragheads fight, kill themselves and waste their oil, problem solved for you. BUT WAIT, you wont have oil to burn in your SUVs. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, those sound like countries any freedom loving person would be proud of. What a tremendous cultural accomplishment.
When people in those areas/time were busy in creating sciences, cultures, civilizations rest of the world was in dark.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Spoken like a true Muslim fanatic. I just knew you had it in you. Moderate indeed!
Just go back and see what language do you use?
Stan Shannon wrote:
My country does what it does with my complete approval, so if you hate it you hate me and mine. If the rest of the world had the ability to exercise the least little bit of civil control over themselves our involvement would not be necessary.
THAT proves that the number of functional grey cells in your brain can be counted by a short intreger.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If our 'corrupt' government really wanted to conquer the world, we could just bring all of our "occupying forces" home and let all the ignorant, backward peoples such as exist in Islam slaughter each other for a few years, than we could just walk back out and pick up the pieces - it would all be ours for the taking without firing a shot.
Yeah but your 'corrupt' govt will not do that BECAUSE there is oil in those areas. No seriously, why not give it a shot? Let the ragheads fight, kill themselves and waste their oil, problem solved for you. BUT WAIT, you wont have oil to burn in your SUVs. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Yeah but your 'corrupt' govt will not do that BECAUSE there is oil in those areas. No seriously, why not give it a shot? Let the ragheads fight, kill themselves and waste their oil, problem solved for you. BUT WAIT, you wont have oil to burn in your SUVs.
The US could actually supply most of its own energy needs for a few years with its own resources. The SUV owners would bitch about it, but if there is one class of people I detest more than rude, ungrateful Muslims, its SUV drivers. In any case you continue to validate my contempt for you. You are proof that there is no such thing as a "moderate muslim". You obviously hate the US. You spew the same anti-American vitriole as those trying to kill us. Why should I welcome you to a country which my people have fought so long and so hard to build? I suppose if the US just sat and let itself get slapped around by your terrorists buddies (you know, the ones actually brave enough to fight for what you believe in) and did nothing to defend itself, than you would be happy. You belong to a weak, ignorant, pathetic people who blame their inability to coexist in the modern world on a country that has never done anything other than try to help. It sickens me that someone as disgusting as you are is allowed to live here to enjoy the very way of life you condemn. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Yeah but your 'corrupt' govt will not do that BECAUSE there is oil in those areas. No seriously, why not give it a shot? Let the ragheads fight, kill themselves and waste their oil, problem solved for you. BUT WAIT, you wont have oil to burn in your SUVs.
The US could actually supply most of its own energy needs for a few years with its own resources. The SUV owners would bitch about it, but if there is one class of people I detest more than rude, ungrateful Muslims, its SUV drivers. In any case you continue to validate my contempt for you. You are proof that there is no such thing as a "moderate muslim". You obviously hate the US. You spew the same anti-American vitriole as those trying to kill us. Why should I welcome you to a country which my people have fought so long and so hard to build? I suppose if the US just sat and let itself get slapped around by your terrorists buddies (you know, the ones actually brave enough to fight for what you believe in) and did nothing to defend itself, than you would be happy. You belong to a weak, ignorant, pathetic people who blame their inability to coexist in the modern world on a country that has never done anything other than try to help. It sickens me that someone as disgusting as you are is allowed to live here to enjoy the very way of life you condemn. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote:
The US could actually supply most of its own energy needs for a few years with its own resources. The SUV owners would bitch about it, but if there is one class of people I detest more than rude, ungrateful Muslims, its SUV drivers.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You obviously hate the US.
Again, you are wrong and thinking whatever your sick, prejudice and hateful mind is making you think.
Stan Shannon wrote:
those trying to kill us.
Give some examples.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Why should I welcome you to a country which my people have fought so long and so hard to build?
What made you think that I need a welcome from you?
Stan Shannon wrote:
get slapped around by your terrorists buddies
Is this blind accusation, the most you can come up with or there are more depths to your inane ability to make conclusions?
Stan Shannon wrote:
a country that has never done anything other than try to help.
Whenever, wherever US has helped got thumbs up. Recent tsunami, quake in Pakistan are recent good examples. But you are turning a bling eye to the two wars because of which US lost its credibility (which it had earned after long hard work).
Stan Shannon wrote:
It sickens me that someone as disgusting as you are is allowed to live here to enjoy the very way of life you condemn.
Well, it sickens me that this country has someone as disgusting as you where I found so many good people, openness and opportunities. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The US could actually supply most of its own energy needs for a few years with its own resources. The SUV owners would bitch about it, but if there is one class of people I detest more than rude, ungrateful Muslims, its SUV drivers.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You obviously hate the US.
Again, you are wrong and thinking whatever your sick, prejudice and hateful mind is making you think.
Stan Shannon wrote:
those trying to kill us.
Give some examples.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Why should I welcome you to a country which my people have fought so long and so hard to build?
What made you think that I need a welcome from you?
Stan Shannon wrote:
get slapped around by your terrorists buddies
Is this blind accusation, the most you can come up with or there are more depths to your inane ability to make conclusions?
Stan Shannon wrote:
a country that has never done anything other than try to help.
Whenever, wherever US has helped got thumbs up. Recent tsunami, quake in Pakistan are recent good examples. But you are turning a bling eye to the two wars because of which US lost its credibility (which it had earned after long hard work).
Stan Shannon wrote:
It sickens me that someone as disgusting as you are is allowed to live here to enjoy the very way of life you condemn.
Well, it sickens me that this country has someone as disgusting as you where I found so many good people, openness and opportunities. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Again, you are wrong and thinking whatever your sick, prejudice and hateful mind is making you think.
You can't promote the same progaganda used by the terrorists and than say you don't hate the US. You are aiding and encouraging that very terrorism. You can only find it in your heart to blame the US for the problem - that doesn't sound like friendship to me.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Whenever, wherever US has helped got thumbs up. Recent tsunami, quake in Pakistan are recent good examples. But you are turning a bling eye to the two wars because of which US lost its credibility (which it had earned after long hard work).
How in the hell does the US lose its credibility by trying to help free Muslims from murderous madmen? Are Muslims really that incredible stupid?
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well, it sickens me that this country has someone as disgusting as you where I found so many good people, openness and opportunities.
The American people are the most open and hospitable people on the planet, we are all raised that way from birth. We love to share the wealth and freedom of our country with other people. You are merely taking advantage of that innate goodnes to spread your bile. I'm also sure you have found fellow America hating travelers as there are certainly enough of those around. If the rest of them really knew how you felt I can assure you they would not be so open. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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You wouldn't be shitting me, would you? The last time we had a UN report (under pressure from the US), it said Iraq had WMDs which was used by the US to invade Iraq. The question still remains: are people being patriotic ot just plain stupid? I like the T-shirt that says "I apologize that my President is stupid". So at least the question has been answered with regard to Dubya.
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You wouldn't be shitting me, would you? The last time we had a UN report (under pressure from the US), it said Iraq had WMDs which was used by the US to invade Iraq. The question still remains: are people being patriotic ot just plain stupid? I like the T-shirt that says "I apologize that my President is stupid". So at least the question has been answered with regard to Dubya.
Vivic wrote:
The last time we had a UN report (under pressure from the US), it said Iraq had WMDs which was used by the US to invade Iraq.
???? where did you get this info? THe UN did not release a report that was used by US to invade Iraq. THey did not release any report about WMD before the war. I am no fan of the UN, but not because of false reports. Your facts are waaaaay off base.
Vivic wrote:
The question still remains: are people being patriotic ot just plain stupid?
Well by posting false crap like this, the human race looks pretty stupid.
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Again, you are wrong and thinking whatever your sick, prejudice and hateful mind is making you think.
You can't promote the same progaganda used by the terrorists and than say you don't hate the US. You are aiding and encouraging that very terrorism. You can only find it in your heart to blame the US for the problem - that doesn't sound like friendship to me.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Whenever, wherever US has helped got thumbs up. Recent tsunami, quake in Pakistan are recent good examples. But you are turning a bling eye to the two wars because of which US lost its credibility (which it had earned after long hard work).
How in the hell does the US lose its credibility by trying to help free Muslims from murderous madmen? Are Muslims really that incredible stupid?
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well, it sickens me that this country has someone as disgusting as you where I found so many good people, openness and opportunities.
The American people are the most open and hospitable people on the planet, we are all raised that way from birth. We love to share the wealth and freedom of our country with other people. You are merely taking advantage of that innate goodnes to spread your bile. I'm also sure you have found fellow America hating travelers as there are certainly enough of those around. If the rest of them really knew how you felt I can assure you they would not be so open. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote:
You can't promote the same progaganda used by the terrorists and than say you don't hate the US.
Well since when in this country, having a different opinion considered a propaganda? Ever listened to Seymour Hirsch?
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are aiding and encouraging that very terrorism.
How? By posting my thoughts in "soapbox" on CodeProject? You obviously sound like a very paranoid person.
Stan Shannon wrote:
How in the hell does the US lose its credibility by trying to help free Muslims from murderous madmen?
Saddam was a madman, he perpetrated crimes again civilians and he *must* be held responsible. He is hated in Muslim world more than in West. B/c when he was free in doing his evil acts, the whole world turned a blind eye. (Hint: Remember how he persecuted Shiites and Kurds AFTER Desert Storm???) But the invasion was Iraq was not based on ambition to bring Saddam to justice. It was based on WMD, the imminent threat to US, connection b/w Iraq and Al Qaeda, all of them turned out to be flat lies.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The American people are the most open and hospitable people on the planet, we are all raised that way from birth. We love to share the wealth and freedom of our country with other people. You are merely taking advantage of that innate goodnes to spread your bile. I'm also sure you have found fellow America hating travelers as there are certainly enough of those around. If the rest of them really knew how you felt I can assure you they would not be so open.
Now you are wrong again, OK I never lived in a "Bible belt" state but I have met Republicans, Democrates, Liberals, Chritians (many churches), Jews, Hindus, godless whatever, and they all seems to share the same thought, may be not as strongly, but they all do. Most americans I have talked to, get their news from many sources and they all accept that how american media fueled the war frenzy, disappointed them. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Vivic wrote:
nlike a country where the Supreme Court stops the vote count while deliberating and then announces there isn't enough time anymore to re-count the votes.
You need to read the ruling. The Supreme Court said you cannot selectivly count votes in certain counties, if you are going to have a recount, you have to do ALL counties.
It also said that Jan 20 is an absolute deadline to inaugurate a new president and there wasn't enough time. They COULD have ordered a recount in all the counties of Florid earlier but they didn't. They just wanted to make sure that Dubya got in by crook.
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Vivic wrote:
The last time we had a UN report (under pressure from the US), it said Iraq had WMDs which was used by the US to invade Iraq.
???? where did you get this info? THe UN did not release a report that was used by US to invade Iraq. THey did not release any report about WMD before the war. I am no fan of the UN, but not because of false reports. Your facts are waaaaay off base.
Vivic wrote:
The question still remains: are people being patriotic ot just plain stupid?
Well by posting false crap like this, the human race looks pretty stupid.
Anonymous wrote:
THe UN did not release a report that was used by US to invade Iraq. THey did not release any report about WMD before the war.
OK, so it was NOT a report but statements by various UN weapons inspectors who kept on sying they couldn't categorically state that Iraq had eliminated all WMDs. Everybody knew why the weapons inspectors worded their statements so negatively. It was US pressure.
Anonymous wrote:
by posting false crap like this, the human race looks pretty stupid.
It is only the US and Britain that looks stupid. And the support for war was far greater in the US than in Britain so we all know where the larger collection of idiots are. I was in the town of Montrose, Colorado in June. It is a little farming town in Western Colorado. On the day I was there, they buried a 20-year-old Marine who had died in Iraq who left behind a 10-year-old widow and a newborn son. It made me sick to read the news. Chicken-hawks like Dubya, Dick Cheney, etc., sent innocent young men to their deaths and you have the gall to support them. Of course you HAD to hide your name or nickname!
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You can't promote the same progaganda used by the terrorists and than say you don't hate the US.
Well since when in this country, having a different opinion considered a propaganda? Ever listened to Seymour Hirsch?
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are aiding and encouraging that very terrorism.
How? By posting my thoughts in "soapbox" on CodeProject? You obviously sound like a very paranoid person.
Stan Shannon wrote:
How in the hell does the US lose its credibility by trying to help free Muslims from murderous madmen?
Saddam was a madman, he perpetrated crimes again civilians and he *must* be held responsible. He is hated in Muslim world more than in West. B/c when he was free in doing his evil acts, the whole world turned a blind eye. (Hint: Remember how he persecuted Shiites and Kurds AFTER Desert Storm???) But the invasion was Iraq was not based on ambition to bring Saddam to justice. It was based on WMD, the imminent threat to US, connection b/w Iraq and Al Qaeda, all of them turned out to be flat lies.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The American people are the most open and hospitable people on the planet, we are all raised that way from birth. We love to share the wealth and freedom of our country with other people. You are merely taking advantage of that innate goodnes to spread your bile. I'm also sure you have found fellow America hating travelers as there are certainly enough of those around. If the rest of them really knew how you felt I can assure you they would not be so open.
Now you are wrong again, OK I never lived in a "Bible belt" state but I have met Republicans, Democrates, Liberals, Chritians (many churches), Jews, Hindus, godless whatever, and they all seems to share the same thought, may be not as strongly, but they all do. Most americans I have talked to, get their news from many sources and they all accept that how american media fueled the war frenzy, disappointed them. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Well since when in this country, having a different opinion considered a propaganda?
When it is precisely the same message being used by the terrorists as their rationale for murdering 3000+ of your fellow Americans. I would say, and have said, that to any American, Muslim or not. That kind of opinion is getting very damn close to outright treason.
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
How? By posting my thoughts in "soapbox" on CodeProject? You obviously sound like a very paranoid person.
Soapbox or not, you give lie to the myth of the 'moderate' Muslim. it is obvious that these anti-American sentiments are endimic to the Muslim world, and that the terrorism has a broad base of support among all Muslims at least at an intellectual level. If even well educated Muslims living in the west buy so throughly into the anti-Bush, anti-American paranoia, what hope is there?
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Saddam was a madman, he perpetrated crimes again civilians and he *must* be held responsible. He is hated in Muslim world more than in West. B/c when he was free in doing his evil acts, the whole world turned a blind eye. (Hint: Remember how he persecuted Shiites and Kurds AFTER Desert Storm???) But the invasion was Iraq was not based on ambition to bring Saddam to justice. It was based on WMD, the imminent threat to US, connection b/w Iraq and Al Qaeda, all of them turned out to be flat lies.
I can forgive some illiterate farmer in Syria for beleiving that crap, but not you. You should be able to see the broader picture. Any rationale person cannot blame the 'blind eye' towards Saddam on the current administration. It wasn't them turning any blind eye. Even if you are irrational enough to blame the US for Saddam's evil acts, it certainly was not the fault of George W. Bush. The worse possible thing any rational person can possibly say about Bush is that he used WMDs as a pretext both to liberate the Iraqi people and to get an valuable international resource, oil, out of the hands of a man who was increasingly out of control. There is absolutely no sane reason for any educated person to question his motives beyond those simple facts. Any one who does has an ulterior motive for doing so - a motive that certainly does not have the best interests of the US as its objective.
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It also said that Jan 20 is an absolute deadline to inaugurate a new president and there wasn't enough time. They COULD have ordered a recount in all the counties of Florid earlier but they didn't. They just wanted to make sure that Dubya got in by crook.
Vivic wrote:
They COULD have ordered a recount in all the counties of Florid earlier but they didn't.
Wrong again. Gore made the descision to go after the recount for certain counties. It was Gore's legal team's decision. It was a dumb stragety, and it all falls on Gore. And besides, many newspapers did their own recount, even the NY times (Liberal) did a recount and evrytime, the said Bush won. The florida constitution says that they needed to certify the votes by a certain date, I think it's in december. That had nothing to do with the US supreme court. I am stunned by how little you know about the situation but feel compeled to run your mouth. One would think you would study up on the facts first.