I became father again!
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Yesterday I became father again. Now I have two kids, Mohammad (4 years) and Fatima (1 day)! I'm very happy and excited that Allah sent me this gift. A. Riazi
> I'm very happy and excited that Allah sent me this gift. I don't want to stir up some marital problems here, but if you didn't impregnate your wife, it's not very likely Allah did it. :-D [edit]:doh: Forgot to congratulate! Congratulations![/edit] -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip. -- modified at 11:54 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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I think that not holding Muslims to precisely the same standards that I hold Christians would be the act of a bigot. I never pass up an opportunity to remind Muslims of the violence that is being done in the name of their religion. I would do precisely the same for any Chrisitan that acted in the same way. But, we do not live in a world that is even in the most remote sense threatened by Christians or their beliefs. We do live in a world where secularism is bulldozing down every last vestage of western civilization and rebuilding everything in its own image. And we live in a world where thousands are murdered in the name of Islam. I simply believe in pointing those facts out at every opportunity. And have no fucking apology to make for it. My critics can bite me. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
I never pass up an opportunity to remind Muslims of the violence that is being done in the name of their religion.
We just do it for economics. Or is it OK to send a country back to the dark ages just to protect the $. We have fucked Iraq (Or is Iraq just full of the murdering Islamic extreamists you would like to blame for everything) and all the good people who live there just so GW could get his rocks off. Oh at least they have Democracy now so thats OK. Providing the government there continues to do what the US want.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But, we do not live in a world that is even in the most remote sense threatened by Christians or their beliefs.
Really. If there are many more Christians out there who think and talk like you i would say the world is most definately threatened. Jon -- modified at 11:59 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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Have you any proof Mr Riazi act violently because of his religion or do you consider any muslim responsible for the actions of some muslim fanatics?
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K(arl) wrote:
Have you any proof Mr Riazi act violently because of his religion or do you consider any muslim responsible for the actions of some muslim fanatics?
The fact that he invokes the name of Allah is all the proof that I need. He voluntarily associates himself with a religion that is used as a pretext for murder and bloodshed all over this planet, with absolutely no attempt to disassociated himself from those who do that. None of us, including you (hell,especially you) would let a Christian get away with that. I hold him responsible for what others do in the name of the religion he claims membership in, precisely as I would any Christian. I do not believe that "moderation" is ever an appropriate response to fanaticism. Anyone who remains moderate in the face of fanaticism is nothing but a coward - at best. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Wonderful! Now you have a spare just in case this Allah guy needs an extra suicide bomber to blow up some infidels. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Sometimes you can be a right cunt Stan. What a fucking shitty thing to say to a guy who has just become a father. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - today you're a disgrace to humanity.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I never pass up an opportunity to remind Muslims of the violence that is being done in the name of their religion.
We just do it for economics. Or is it OK to send a country back to the dark ages just to protect the $. We have fucked Iraq (Or is Iraq just full of the murdering Islamic extreamists you would like to blame for everything) and all the good people who live there just so GW could get his rocks off. Oh at least they have Democracy now so thats OK. Providing the government there continues to do what the US want.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But, we do not live in a world that is even in the most remote sense threatened by Christians or their beliefs.
Really. If there are many more Christians out there who think and talk like you i would say the world is most definately threatened. Jon -- modified at 11:59 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
jonathan15 wrote:
We just do it for economics. Or is it OK to send a country back to the dark ages just to protect the $. We have f***ed Iraq (Or is Iraq just full of the murdering Islamic extreamists you would like to blame for everything) and all the good people who live there just so GW could get his rocks off. Oh at least they have Democracy now so thats OK. Providing the government there continues to do what the US want.
I don't accept your premise. I disagree with the war in Iraq, but we are, in fact, there for reasons at least as noble as those that motivated us to liberate Europe.
jonathan15 wrote:
If there are many more Christians out there who think and talk like you i would say the world is most definately threatened.
Did I say I was a Christian? EDIT - And if I were, it is obvious you have no problem in seeing Christianity as a threat. Yet, heaven help us if anyone points out the same issues with other religions. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 12:07 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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How would you like to change places with poor little Fatima? (For fuck's sake) "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
I've seen insensitivity from you before, but this time you've hit a new low, and one that makes me feel physically sick. I'm glad we've never met, and probably never will. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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jonathan15 wrote:
We just do it for economics. Or is it OK to send a country back to the dark ages just to protect the $. We have f***ed Iraq (Or is Iraq just full of the murdering Islamic extreamists you would like to blame for everything) and all the good people who live there just so GW could get his rocks off. Oh at least they have Democracy now so thats OK. Providing the government there continues to do what the US want.
I don't accept your premise. I disagree with the war in Iraq, but we are, in fact, there for reasons at least as noble as those that motivated us to liberate Europe.
jonathan15 wrote:
If there are many more Christians out there who think and talk like you i would say the world is most definately threatened.
Did I say I was a Christian? EDIT - And if I were, it is obvious you have no problem in seeing Christianity as a threat. Yet, heaven help us if anyone points out the same issues with other religions. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 12:07 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Did I say I was a Christian?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Reply 3: Multiculturalism (ie "Tolerance for all beliefs that are not Christian") also deserves to be insulted and at every possible opportunity.
Pretty close, unless you're also intolerant with your own beliefs. But somehow that wouldn't surprise me.
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Actually, so was I, kinda. My comment was what passes for sarcasm - a close cousin to irony. Still, I think you were a little heavy handed. In any case, who (tell the truth now) really gives a fuck that he had another kid, regardless of what you think he'll encourage him to do later in life.
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legalAlien wrote:
Still, I think you were a little heavy handed.
And intentinonally so. I intend to respond to any mention of allah, in any context, in precisely the same way. I don't care how many people want to make excuses for Muslims, I have no intention of doing so. This dick head can have as many kids as he likes, but he can keep his bullshit religion to himself or clean it up. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Did I say I was a Christian?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Reply 3: Multiculturalism (ie "Tolerance for all beliefs that are not Christian") also deserves to be insulted and at every possible opportunity.
Pretty close, unless you're also intolerant with your own beliefs. But somehow that wouldn't surprise me.
Observing multiculturalism's exclusive intolerance of Christians makes me a Christian? I don't think so. I merely makes me an observer. Maybe you should try it some time. (Mind you, I'm not saying I'm not a Christian, I'm just asking anyone to point out anyplace where I have predicated my arguments on a Christian POV) "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Observing multiculturalism's exclusive intolerance of Christians makes me a Christian? I don't think so. I merely makes me an observer. Maybe you should try it some time. (Mind you, I'm not saying I'm not a Christian, I'm just asking anyone to point out anyplace where I have predicated my arguments on a Christian POV) "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Observing multiculturalism's exclusive intolerance of Christians
That's not what your definition said. Now I see what you meant but it can be interpreted differently and I did.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Maybe you should try it some time.
Oh I do try it often. I often enjoy observing you. Just not today.
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Yeah, that wasn't a very Christian thing to say.... or maybe it was... damn this stuff gets confusing... "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Maybe the far right religious conservative crap is making its way out of your brain, and you will be able to think clearly and objectively in the future. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson -- modified at 12:53 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Observing multiculturalism's exclusive intolerance of Christians
That's not what your definition said. Now I see what you meant but it can be interpreted differently and I did.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Maybe you should try it some time.
Oh I do try it often. I often enjoy observing you. Just not today.
HollyHooo wrote:
Just not today.
I've never been on firmer ground, morally,logically, or otherwise, than I am today. If we ever expect Islam to change we are going to have to do it in exactly the same way that we forced Chrisitanity to change - by getting in its face demanding change from all of those who declare membership in it. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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I was born lucky.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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legalAlien wrote:
Still, I think you were a little heavy handed.
And intentinonally so. I intend to respond to any mention of allah, in any context, in precisely the same way. I don't care how many people want to make excuses for Muslims, I have no intention of doing so. This dick head can have as many kids as he likes, but he can keep his bullshit religion to himself or clean it up. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
That's fair enough: as long you realise that many 'liberal' types will feel that you're overstepping the mark. I guess you could even push them away from your cause rather than pull them in which, I suppose (I have no real way of knowing for sure, of course), is what you want. Personally I agree with your sentiments if not the way that you espouse them. But I think all religions are bullshit and present a clear and immediate danger to humanity by attempting to hold us back and bog us down in the inertia that is faith. It just appears that islam, a particularly pernicious faith, is at the high end of that scale at the present time. I'd prefer it, therefore, if you were just as abrasive with all religions or explain to me why yours (if you have one) is better than anyone elses: at the end of the day you all believe in some sort of omnipotent being, regardless of how you practice that belief.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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Sometimes you can be a right cunt Stan. What a fucking shitty thing to say to a guy who has just become a father. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - today you're a disgrace to humanity.
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shitty thing to say to a guy who has just become a father...
... of a girl who will never know a moment of freedom in her entire life. Oh, what a joyous occassion! Lets all be happy. X| "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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I've seen insensitivity from you before, but this time you've hit a new low, and one that makes me feel physically sick. I'm glad we've never met, and probably never will. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I've seen insensitivity from you before
And the fact that little Fatima will live her life under the most oppressive, fascist like social order on the planet because PEOPLE LIKE YOU were so sensitive to her daddy makes me physically ill. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Maybe the far right religious conservative crap is making its way out of your brain, and you will be able to think clearly and objectively in the future. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson -- modified at 12:53 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Have I said something that wasn't clear and objective? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Have I said something that wasn't clear and objective? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Nothing not obscured by the clouds of the Republican party. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Nothing not obscured by the clouds of the Republican party. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
Nothing not obscured by the clouds of the Republican party.
Give me a break. I wish the Republicans would push a more confrontational approach towards Muslims. The truth is they are falling all over themselves to avoid any sort of judgemental condemnation of the Islamic masses. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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That's fair enough: as long you realise that many 'liberal' types will feel that you're overstepping the mark. I guess you could even push them away from your cause rather than pull them in which, I suppose (I have no real way of knowing for sure, of course), is what you want. Personally I agree with your sentiments if not the way that you espouse them. But I think all religions are bullshit and present a clear and immediate danger to humanity by attempting to hold us back and bog us down in the inertia that is faith. It just appears that islam, a particularly pernicious faith, is at the high end of that scale at the present time. I'd prefer it, therefore, if you were just as abrasive with all religions or explain to me why yours (if you have one) is better than anyone elses: at the end of the day you all believe in some sort of omnipotent being, regardless of how you practice that belief.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
legalAlien wrote:
Personally I agree with your sentiments if not the way that you espouse them. But I think all religions are bull**** and present a clear and immediate danger to humanity by attempting to hold us back and bog us down in the inertia that is faith. It just appears that islam, a particularly pernicious faith, is at the high end of that scale at the present time. I'd prefer it, therefore, if you were just as abrasive with all religions or explain to me why yours (if you have one) is better than anyone elses: at the end of the day you all believe in some sort of omnipotent being, regardless of how you practice that belief.
First off, I am about the most secular person you are likely to meet. I try to live my life according to Christian principles, but that is more an exercise in personal discipline than from any sort of evagelical belief in Christianity. If you read the posts on Intelligent Design from last week, you will see that I was quite abrasive to the Chrisitans who hang out here. However, I include all philosophies, including secularism, as sources of possible oppression and tyranny. I don't think religion is unique in that sense. Far more damage has been done in the name of secular causes than in the name of religious ones. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."