I became father again!
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legalAlien wrote:
Still, I think you were a little heavy handed.
And intentinonally so. I intend to respond to any mention of allah, in any context, in precisely the same way. I don't care how many people want to make excuses for Muslims, I have no intention of doing so. This dick head can have as many kids as he likes, but he can keep his bullshit religion to himself or clean it up. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
That's fair enough: as long you realise that many 'liberal' types will feel that you're overstepping the mark. I guess you could even push them away from your cause rather than pull them in which, I suppose (I have no real way of knowing for sure, of course), is what you want. Personally I agree with your sentiments if not the way that you espouse them. But I think all religions are bullshit and present a clear and immediate danger to humanity by attempting to hold us back and bog us down in the inertia that is faith. It just appears that islam, a particularly pernicious faith, is at the high end of that scale at the present time. I'd prefer it, therefore, if you were just as abrasive with all religions or explain to me why yours (if you have one) is better than anyone elses: at the end of the day you all believe in some sort of omnipotent being, regardless of how you practice that belief.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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Sometimes you can be a right cunt Stan. What a fucking shitty thing to say to a guy who has just become a father. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - today you're a disgrace to humanity.
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Google Talk: robert.caldecottRobert Edward Caldecott wrote:
shitty thing to say to a guy who has just become a father...
... of a girl who will never know a moment of freedom in her entire life. Oh, what a joyous occassion! Lets all be happy. X| "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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I've seen insensitivity from you before, but this time you've hit a new low, and one that makes me feel physically sick. I'm glad we've never met, and probably never will. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I've seen insensitivity from you before
And the fact that little Fatima will live her life under the most oppressive, fascist like social order on the planet because PEOPLE LIKE YOU were so sensitive to her daddy makes me physically ill. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Maybe the far right religious conservative crap is making its way out of your brain, and you will be able to think clearly and objectively in the future. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson -- modified at 12:53 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Have I said something that wasn't clear and objective? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Have I said something that wasn't clear and objective? "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Nothing not obscured by the clouds of the Republican party. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Nothing not obscured by the clouds of the Republican party. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
Nothing not obscured by the clouds of the Republican party.
Give me a break. I wish the Republicans would push a more confrontational approach towards Muslims. The truth is they are falling all over themselves to avoid any sort of judgemental condemnation of the Islamic masses. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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That's fair enough: as long you realise that many 'liberal' types will feel that you're overstepping the mark. I guess you could even push them away from your cause rather than pull them in which, I suppose (I have no real way of knowing for sure, of course), is what you want. Personally I agree with your sentiments if not the way that you espouse them. But I think all religions are bullshit and present a clear and immediate danger to humanity by attempting to hold us back and bog us down in the inertia that is faith. It just appears that islam, a particularly pernicious faith, is at the high end of that scale at the present time. I'd prefer it, therefore, if you were just as abrasive with all religions or explain to me why yours (if you have one) is better than anyone elses: at the end of the day you all believe in some sort of omnipotent being, regardless of how you practice that belief.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
legalAlien wrote:
Personally I agree with your sentiments if not the way that you espouse them. But I think all religions are bull**** and present a clear and immediate danger to humanity by attempting to hold us back and bog us down in the inertia that is faith. It just appears that islam, a particularly pernicious faith, is at the high end of that scale at the present time. I'd prefer it, therefore, if you were just as abrasive with all religions or explain to me why yours (if you have one) is better than anyone elses: at the end of the day you all believe in some sort of omnipotent being, regardless of how you practice that belief.
First off, I am about the most secular person you are likely to meet. I try to live my life according to Christian principles, but that is more an exercise in personal discipline than from any sort of evagelical belief in Christianity. If you read the posts on Intelligent Design from last week, you will see that I was quite abrasive to the Chrisitans who hang out here. However, I include all philosophies, including secularism, as sources of possible oppression and tyranny. I don't think religion is unique in that sense. Far more damage has been done in the name of secular causes than in the name of religious ones. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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I was born lucky.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
That is a terrible name. I never understood parents who named their kid Lucky. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Wonderful! Now you have a spare just in case this Allah guy needs an extra suicide bomber to blow up some infidels. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Wonderful! Now you have a spare just in case this Allah guy needs an extra suicide bomber to blow up some infidels.
You are an arse hole Stan.
Josh Gray wrote:
You are an arse hole Stan
True. But anyone that comes into the soap box throwing their religion around is fair game. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
You are an arse hole Stan
True. But anyone that comes into the soap box throwing their religion around is fair game. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
True. But anyone that comes into the soap box throwing their religion around is fair game.
And thats no excuse. You're an arse hole for even thinking it let alone writing it. What would your mother say?
What exactly did I say that was so bad? The guy comes in here thanking the same God for his children that so many other people's children are being killed in the name of. I think it is not only justified but it is essential to constantly remind Muslims of that. And I intend to rub their faces in it at every goddamned opportunity I get. Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools. It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine. I am entirely consistent in my posts. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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What exactly did I say that was so bad? The guy comes in here thanking the same God for his children that so many other people's children are being killed in the name of. I think it is not only justified but it is essential to constantly remind Muslims of that. And I intend to rub their faces in it at every goddamned opportunity I get. Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools. It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine. I am entirely consistent in my posts. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools.
This has nothing to do with the US. There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine.
How does my calling you an arse hole make me a hypocrite?, I have consistently considered you an arse hole and you have consistently proved me right.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools.
This has nothing to do with the US. There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine.
How does my calling you an arse hole make me a hypocrite?, I have consistently considered you an arse hole and you have consistently proved me right.
Josh Gray wrote:
There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread. In exactly the same way, Muslims are collectively responsible for all of the evil that is done in the name of their religion and they are especially responsible for dealing with it. Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction. That might make me an asshole, but it makes you a hypocrit and a coward for not having the moral conviction to hold them to that simple civil obligation. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:23 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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Josh Gray wrote:
There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread. In exactly the same way, Muslims are collectively responsible for all of the evil that is done in the name of their religion and they are especially responsible for dealing with it. Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction. That might make me an asshole, but it makes you a hypocrit and a coward for not having the moral conviction to hold them to that simple civil obligation. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:23 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread.
I disagree. One of my friends is Italian and she is a Catholic. She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction.
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door. Wanker
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Stan Shannon wrote:
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread.
I disagree. One of my friends is Italian and she is a Catholic. She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction.
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door. Wanker
Josh Gray wrote:
I disagree.
Which indicates precisely what a flawed philosphy liberalism subscribes to and why I can never be one.
Josh Gray wrote:
She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Josh Gray wrote:
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door.
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I disagree.
Which indicates precisely what a flawed philosphy liberalism subscribes to and why I can never be one.
Josh Gray wrote:
She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Josh Gray wrote:
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door.
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves.
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves.
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
Josh Gray wrote:
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility. EDIT - And my logic is never flawed.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. :rolleyes: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:59 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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Josh Gray wrote:
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility. EDIT - And my logic is never flawed.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. :rolleyes: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:59 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility.
So you express a lot of hot air. That doesnt that suprise me. You havent changed the fact it is being taught in your schools so according to your logic it is your fault and you are a failure.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it :rolleyes:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility.
So you express a lot of hot air. That doesnt that suprise me. You havent changed the fact it is being taught in your schools so according to your logic it is your fault and you are a failure.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it :rolleyes:
Josh Gray wrote:
So you express a lot of hot air
Bullshit. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Josh Gray wrote:
disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it
More bullshit. We saved the fucking planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."