I became father again!
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Stan Shannon wrote:
True. But anyone that comes into the soap box throwing their religion around is fair game.
And thats no excuse. You're an arse hole for even thinking it let alone writing it. What would your mother say?
What exactly did I say that was so bad? The guy comes in here thanking the same God for his children that so many other people's children are being killed in the name of. I think it is not only justified but it is essential to constantly remind Muslims of that. And I intend to rub their faces in it at every goddamned opportunity I get. Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools. It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine. I am entirely consistent in my posts. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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What exactly did I say that was so bad? The guy comes in here thanking the same God for his children that so many other people's children are being killed in the name of. I think it is not only justified but it is essential to constantly remind Muslims of that. And I intend to rub their faces in it at every goddamned opportunity I get. Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools. It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine. I am entirely consistent in my posts. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools.
This has nothing to do with the US. There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine.
How does my calling you an arse hole make me a hypocrite?, I have consistently considered you an arse hole and you have consistently proved me right.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools.
This has nothing to do with the US. There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine.
How does my calling you an arse hole make me a hypocrite?, I have consistently considered you an arse hole and you have consistently proved me right.
Josh Gray wrote:
There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread. In exactly the same way, Muslims are collectively responsible for all of the evil that is done in the name of their religion and they are especially responsible for dealing with it. Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction. That might make me an asshole, but it makes you a hypocrit and a coward for not having the moral conviction to hold them to that simple civil obligation. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:23 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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Josh Gray wrote:
There are loonies here that want to teach ID but that is beside the point.
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread. In exactly the same way, Muslims are collectively responsible for all of the evil that is done in the name of their religion and they are especially responsible for dealing with it. Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction. That might make me an asshole, but it makes you a hypocrit and a coward for not having the moral conviction to hold them to that simple civil obligation. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:23 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread.
I disagree. One of my friends is Italian and she is a Catholic. She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction.
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door. Wanker
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Stan Shannon wrote:
It is precisely the point. ID is being presented in the name of Christianity - all Christians are responsible for what is done in their name, and that makes them even more responsible for confronting and defeating the "loonies" which is why I confronted them on the ID thread.
I disagree. One of my friends is Italian and she is a Catholic. She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Their reaction to the evil growing in their midst should be precisely the same as our civilization's was to the threat of fascism and communism - a single minded and unequivocal condemanation of it and a devotion to its defeat and destruction.
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door. Wanker
Josh Gray wrote:
I disagree.
Which indicates precisely what a flawed philosphy liberalism subscribes to and why I can never be one.
Josh Gray wrote:
She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Josh Gray wrote:
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door.
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I disagree.
Which indicates precisely what a flawed philosphy liberalism subscribes to and why I can never be one.
Josh Gray wrote:
She does not believe in ID. Should I hold her responsible for the fact that a US backwater is teaching ID in class?
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Josh Gray wrote:
Took the US long enough. If you had of got your head out of your arse in '39 or '40 it would have been a different story. Instead you let US companies like IBM profit from the Nazis until the Japs brought it to your front door.
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves.
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Yes, you should. If she isn't part of the solution she is part of the problem.
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'll let the crosses at Normandy speak for themselves.
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
Josh Gray wrote:
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility. EDIT - And my logic is never flawed.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. :rolleyes: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:59 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
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Josh Gray wrote:
Your logic is flawed. What are you doing about it apart from bitching here?
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility. EDIT - And my logic is never flawed.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yeah "better late than never" is what they would say.
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. :rolleyes: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 20:59 Wednesday 23rd November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility.
So you express a lot of hot air. That doesnt that suprise me. You havent changed the fact it is being taught in your schools so according to your logic it is your fault and you are a failure.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it :rolleyes:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Bitching everywhere. Argueing with every ID proponent I know (and I know several) about what a stupid idea it is. Going to church and making my feelings known. And raising my children to appreciate the concept of responsibility.
So you express a lot of hot air. That doesnt that suprise me. You havent changed the fact it is being taught in your schools so according to your logic it is your fault and you are a failure.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And if we had intervened earlier, FDR would still be known as that interventionist bastard that killed all those innocent Germans and Japanese just to control the wealth of central Europe and the Pacific. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it :rolleyes:
Josh Gray wrote:
So you express a lot of hot air
Bullshit. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Josh Gray wrote:
disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it
More bullshit. We saved the fucking planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
So you express a lot of hot air
Bullshit. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Josh Gray wrote:
disagree (just for a change). You ended up with a lot of influence over those parts of the world anyway. And what you didnt get the USSR got and that went well didnt it
More bullshit. We saved the fucking planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
bull****. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Ahh so it has to be your comunity. Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a shit what you guys teach your kids.
Stan Shannon wrote:
We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism
Rubbish. The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Stan Shannon wrote:
More bull****. We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash.
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
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Stan Shannon wrote:
bull****. The very minute my community tries to put ID in the school my children go to I will immediately be in their faces about it. I oppose it, and other issues, as vocally and forcibly as I can at every possible opportunity. And if I were a Muslim, I would be takeing a stand against fundamentalism in precisely the same way.
Ahh so it has to be your comunity. Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a shit what you guys teach your kids.
Stan Shannon wrote:
We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism
Rubbish. The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Stan Shannon wrote:
More bull****. We saved the f***ing planet from Fascism and Communism. We did a good thing. We stood up and defended our values. That is something no amount of revisionism can whitewash.
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
Josh Gray wrote:
Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a sh*t what you guys teach your kids.
It remains an issue of responsibility. You either assume it or you don't.
Josh Gray wrote:
The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Thats insane. Germany had Europe in the palm of its hand. Neither the Soviets or the Brits could have held out for a month without all the material the US was providing from a very early date. You can't blame the American people for being initially reluctant for getting involved in yet another European fiasco. I mean, crap, we Americans are descended from those who escaped the farce that passes for European politics in the first place and than have to go back and sacrifice generation after generation to save these same assholes from themselves. And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia for a Japanese invasion that would have easily led to the conquest of your entire hapless little continent.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
Well there's gratitude for ya. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
Going back to my example why should my Chatholic friend give a sh*t what you guys teach your kids.
It remains an issue of responsibility. You either assume it or you don't.
Josh Gray wrote:
The allies would have won with or without the US. You just sped it up a bit by providing lots of cannon fodder. You could have sped it up a lot more but who cares about Jews in concentration camps right?
Thats insane. Germany had Europe in the palm of its hand. Neither the Soviets or the Brits could have held out for a month without all the material the US was providing from a very early date. You can't blame the American people for being initially reluctant for getting involved in yet another European fiasco. I mean, crap, we Americans are descended from those who escaped the farce that passes for European politics in the first place and than have to go back and sacrifice generation after generation to save these same assholes from themselves. And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia for a Japanese invasion that would have easily led to the conquest of your entire hapless little continent.
Josh Gray wrote:
Yes you did a good thing but way too late and not out of any high morals. You did it becuase the Japs gave FDR no choice
Well there's gratitude for ya. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
the farce that passes for European politics
Hey your president bought his first term and then you fucking dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your entire hapless little continent
At least we dont have to share ours
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Stan Shannon wrote:
the farce that passes for European politics
Hey your president bought his first term and then you fucking dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And lets not even get into the Battle of the Coral Sea where the American navy saved Australia
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your entire hapless little continent
At least we dont have to share ours
Josh Gray wrote:
Hey your president bought his first term and then you f***ing dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Shit, the greatest European politicians in history make George look like... well, like a great non-european politician of some kind.
Josh Gray wrote:
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
I actually had an uncle that fought in New Guinea. But it was kind of a sideshow for us. In any case, New Guinea would have been a moot point if we happened stopped the Jap navy for you.
Josh Gray wrote:
At least we dont have to share ours
Who the hell would want to? :laugh: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
Hey your president bought his first term and then you f***ing dickheads reelected him. Talk about a farse.
Shit, the greatest European politicians in history make George look like... well, like a great non-european politician of some kind.
Josh Gray wrote:
Then I wont even go into what happened on the Kokoda trail.
I actually had an uncle that fought in New Guinea. But it was kind of a sideshow for us. In any case, New Guinea would have been a moot point if we happened stopped the Jap navy for you.
Josh Gray wrote:
At least we dont have to share ours
Who the hell would want to? :laugh: "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Who the hell would want to?
Not you thank God but the Japanese seemed to have some interest acording to you. I wish there was a smily for giving you the finger. And I still say you're an arse hole. I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child. I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US. When I was living in Europe it was amazing the way people would treat me once they know I was Asutralian and not British or American. I am and always will be proud to be an Aussie and proud of what our armed forces have achieved. You guys should have a look at what we did in East Timor.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Who the hell would want to?
Not you thank God but the Japanese seemed to have some interest acording to you. I wish there was a smily for giving you the finger. And I still say you're an arse hole. I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child. I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US. When I was living in Europe it was amazing the way people would treat me once they know I was Asutralian and not British or American. I am and always will be proud to be an Aussie and proud of what our armed forces have achieved. You guys should have a look at what we did in East Timor.
Josh Gray wrote:
I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child.
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
Josh Gray wrote:
I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US.
And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I cant get over what you said to thet guy who was obviously so happy about the birth of his child.
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
Josh Gray wrote:
I dont know anyone apart from you guys here who actually have anything good to say about the US.
And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
You poor ignorant bigoted little man And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. So why dont you fucking stay there and let the rest of the world do what they want?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Wonderful! Now you have a spare just in case this Allah guy needs an extra suicide bomber to blow up some infidels.
You are an arse hole Stan.
I wish I could give you two 5s. One for the content, and one for spelling the word 'arse' right. :-D Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
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What exactly did I say that was so bad? The guy comes in here thanking the same God for his children that so many other people's children are being killed in the name of. I think it is not only justified but it is essential to constantly remind Muslims of that. And I intend to rub their faces in it at every goddamned opportunity I get. Hell, you guys give U.S. Christians more grief than that for just wanting to control what their children are taught in schools. It is your hypocrisy that is showing here, not mine. I am entirely consistent in my posts. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Well, hell,that just makes all the difference. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
That guy is probably in his little home right now in Iran beating the hell out of his wife for taking her burka off. I wouldn't waste too much sympathy on him.
You poor ignorant bigoted little man And I wouldn't have it any other way. The rest of the world consists of all the places we Americans escaped from so that we could build our own country and live our own lives in our own way. We don't owe anyone an apology for that. The fact that Europeans don't like me makes me feel pretty damn good about myself. So why dont you fucking stay there and let the rest of the world do what they want?
Josh Gray wrote:
So why dont you f***ing stay there and let the rest of the world do what they want?
Because the rest of you fuckers don't seem to be as competent at keeping your lunatics under control as we are. Once we have you all properly trained, we will return to our quaint little Jeffersonian Republic. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."