Islamists demand Bangladeshi women wear veil
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The real test will be how the Bangladesh government responds to these ultimatums. Posting additional security guards only, seems a bit defeatist. If theses pieces of human flotsam are threatening the lives of private citizens then immediate action should be taken. Round up every one of the jackasses that you know about; go on the offensive and not wait for them murder somebody. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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And I'm waiting for you to extrapolate this to say that Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
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A.A. wrote:
Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
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:wtf: Did you read the article? They want to FORCE ALL WOMEN. Musilum and Non-Muslium. I'm sure in free countries, like the US, Britian, Turkey, that women do wear it out of conviction only. But that has nothing to do with the article.
kgaddy wrote:
I'm sure in free countries, like the US, Britian, Turkey, that women do wear it out of conviction only.
Not necessary. I believe that even in the US, UK etc. there are Muslim women who have to wear it even if they don't really want to.
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The real test will be how the Bangladesh government responds to these ultimatums. Posting additional security guards only, seems a bit defeatist. If theses pieces of human flotsam are threatening the lives of private citizens then immediate action should be taken. Round up every one of the jackasses that you know about; go on the offensive and not wait for them murder somebody. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote:
The real test will be how the Bangladesh government responds to these ultimatums.
Perhaps they should ask Military help from India.
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Chris Austin wrote:
The real test will be how the Bangladesh government responds to these ultimatums.
Perhaps they should ask Military help from India.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Perhaps they should ask Military help from India.
Please forgive my ignorance. But, do you think that will stand well with the people of Bangladesh? Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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A.A. wrote:
Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
I guess we'll just have to wait for a few headscarf-wearing women to reply and clear things up... :rolleyes:
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Chris Austin wrote:
The real test will be how the Bangladesh government responds to these ultimatums.
Perhaps they should ask Military help from India.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Perhaps they should ask Military help from India.
Or Martians? Nishant, do you think that the subcontinent can handle another military-based "solution"? Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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I guess we'll just have to wait for a few headscarf-wearing women to reply and clear things up... :rolleyes:
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I wonder how many of them visit soapbox on CP :-D Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to.
Admittedly, I don't know as many Muslim women as you might, but I have known quite a few Muslim women (online) who have told me that they had married US-working men and moved abroad to avoid having to live in a strict society. Farhan, I am not attacking your religion, I am an atheist and I don't particularly think much of any of the existing world religions, but I strongly feel about women having to cover their faces with veils. Last month, we saw a young girl (maybe 16 or 17) who got into a bus with her mother and both of them were fully covered in a black material (I think that you call it the Purdah-Burkha, not sure) - and to be honest, it was a scary sight!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Perhaps they should ask Military help from India.
Please forgive my ignorance. But, do you think that will stand well with the people of Bangladesh? Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance. But, do you think that will stand well with the people of Bangladesh?
They may not like it, but if it will help several helpless women, it is something that should be considered.
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I wonder how many of them visit soapbox on CP :-D Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
I wonder how many of them visit soapbox on CP
It's hard to type on a keyboard if 3/4th of your face is masked ;P
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Perhaps they should ask Military help from India.
Or Martians? Nishant, do you think that the subcontinent can handle another military-based "solution"? Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Nishant, do you think that the subcontinent can handle another military-based "solution"?
Military solutions are the only way to curb terrorists. Terrorists never succumb to peaceful approaches (as history has proved). Anyway, if the Bangladesh government makes a request, India (and perhaps Pakistan) should help out as much as possible.
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A.A. wrote:
Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
I had a specific reason for posting what I did to kgaddy. It had to do with the constant posting of articles[whether news, opinions, or the outright wacky] that deals with this. It is 'almost' as if his point is what I wrote.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it
Just as a good number of people in the vast majority of countries around the world are 'socially forced' to wear cloth. Though the trend that I am noticing is that Muslim women in once very secular countries are turning to the hijab. In some of these countries we are seeing a backlash. Like in Turkey, women who wear the hijab are barred from government jobs. We see similiar movements in certain european countries where they are kicked out of school, and some want them to be kicked out of all government positions. We even see it here in the states, but the enviroment is much easier to deal with. The funny thing around here is that when a Muslim women here turns back to her religion, it is a man who doesn't want her to wear the hijab.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to.
Admittedly, I don't know as many Muslim women as you might, but I have known quite a few Muslim women (online) who have told me that they had married US-working men and moved abroad to avoid having to live in a strict society. Farhan, I am not attacking your religion, I am an atheist and I don't particularly think much of any of the existing world religions, but I strongly feel about women having to cover their faces with veils. Last month, we saw a young girl (maybe 16 or 17) who got into a bus with her mother and both of them were fully covered in a black material (I think that you call it the Purdah-Burkha, not sure) - and to be honest, it was a scary sight!
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
and to be honest, it was a scary sight!
Frankly this is a problem you have to deal with. It kind of reminds me of a local talk show host who goes around saying how scared he is when he passes a mosque after Friday prayer and sees all those Muslim looking people hanging around. Its a problem he has to deal with.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
and to be honest, it was a scary sight!
Frankly this is a problem you have to deal with. It kind of reminds me of a local talk show host who goes around saying how scared he is when he passes a mosque after Friday prayer and sees all those Muslim looking people hanging around. Its a problem he has to deal with.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
Frankly this is a problem you have to deal with. It kind of reminds me of a local talk show host who goes around saying how scared he is when he passes a mosque after Friday prayer and sees all those Muslim looking people hanging around. Its a problem he has to deal with.
I don't get affected by a person's religious beliefs. But when I see a woman in an impractical and physically inconvenient attire, and given how a few similarly plighted women have confessed to me their dislike for it, I do take notice.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance. But, do you think that will stand well with the people of Bangladesh?
They may not like it, but if it will help several helpless women, it is something that should be considered.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
They may not like it, but if it will help several helpless women, it is something that should be considered.
Before you advocate sending your military on adventures that will be rejected by 'helpless women', you should prioritize and help those women oppressed by the caste system in many parts of India.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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I had a specific reason for posting what I did to kgaddy. It had to do with the constant posting of articles[whether news, opinions, or the outright wacky] that deals with this. It is 'almost' as if his point is what I wrote.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it
Just as a good number of people in the vast majority of countries around the world are 'socially forced' to wear cloth. Though the trend that I am noticing is that Muslim women in once very secular countries are turning to the hijab. In some of these countries we are seeing a backlash. Like in Turkey, women who wear the hijab are barred from government jobs. We see similiar movements in certain european countries where they are kicked out of school, and some want them to be kicked out of all government positions. We even see it here in the states, but the enviroment is much easier to deal with. The funny thing around here is that when a Muslim women here turns back to her religion, it is a man who doesn't want her to wear the hijab.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
May I know your country of origin? I assume you are a US citizen now - but I'd like to know if your parents (or their parents) come from a strictly Islamic country. Because I find it hard to believe that a North American would have some of the slightly extreme views you've expressed in the last few posts. [edit]This question is out of curiosity than out of any offensive intent[/edit]