Islamists demand Bangladeshi women wear veil
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
If your sources were Pakistan media, chances are good that the facts were severely distorted.
Actually it was American media, I don't know Urdu...
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
chances are good that the facts were severely distorted
Possibly but the numbers cited is in the 100's of millions and that is a big problem.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But yes, in Northern India, caste issues still exist, though most of it is money-related. If you have money, no one gives a sh*t about your caste.
Probably because they can move to a better place; though what was shown for example is that women of a certain caste has to walk out side bare foot.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Anyway, my base point is that there are still a good number of women who want to escape these shackles but are unable to. Those women need to be rescued
I guess you don't understand why they chose to wear it. For you it seems the less they wear the more they are free.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
Possibly but the numbers cited is in the 100's of millions and that is a big problem.
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
A.A. wrote:
I guess you don't understand why they chose to wear it. For you it seems the less they wear the more they are free.
I am not talking about those who want to wear it. The main issue discussed in this thread is that a Bangladeshi terrorist organization has announced that they will kill any woman who dares to go out unveiled. So, there are woman who want to do so, and they should be protected.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
May I know your country of origin?
Suffice it to say that several generations back I come from regions of the world that would be considered secular. Life here made it such that I had to decide wheather I believed in Islam or not; and in Islam a strong belief comes from knowledge I had to go around learning what it is. The benefit though of learning Islam here is that I was freed from alot of the culture norms that is attributed to the religion by alot of people.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Because I find it hard to believe that a North American would have some of the slightly extreme views you've expressed in the last few posts.
I am not sure which extreme views you are refering to but the vast majority Muslims[I am sure you can find a few exceptions] in the world realize the hijab is a religious obligation. As for origin, I have friends who can trace there origins back a couple of hundred years that will tell you the same thing; it has nothing to do with origin.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
[edit]This question is out of curiosity than out of any offensive intent[/edit]
None taken. :)
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
None taken.
Cool :-)
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What a band of wackos. No wonder they are banned.
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K(arl) wrote:
No wonder they are banned.
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
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K(arl) wrote:
No wonder they are banned.
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
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A.A. wrote:
Possibly but the numbers cited is in the 100's of millions and that is a big problem.
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
A.A. wrote:
I guess you don't understand why they chose to wear it. For you it seems the less they wear the more they are free.
I am not talking about those who want to wear it. The main issue discussed in this thread is that a Bangladeshi terrorist organization has announced that they will kill any woman who dares to go out unveiled. So, there are woman who want to do so, and they should be protected.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
Someone should tell these guys[^]
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Bangladeshi terrorist organization
If the issue is some obscure organization, this is a discussion I am not interested in. Rather I was pointing out the generalization that results from these discussions. Probably last post on this thread for me.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Given that India's population is 1 billion (10 x 100 million), it's easy to see that "100s of millions" is an exaggeration.
Someone should tell these guys[^]
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Bangladeshi terrorist organization
If the issue is some obscure organization, this is a discussion I am not interested in. Rather I was pointing out the generalization that results from these discussions. Probably last post on this thread for me.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
Someone should tell these guys[^]
Surprising how the Indian Govt is not suing these guys for gross exaggerations!
A.A. wrote:
Probably last post on this thread for me.
Alright, have a good weekend then :-)
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K(arl) wrote:
No wonder they are banned.
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
I think that the best way to protect the women is to allow them to carry handguns.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Actually Kdaddy is a male slut
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::-D:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: This is great
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A banned Islamist militant group blamed for a series of bombings in Bangladesh has threatened to kill women, including non-Muslims, if they do not wear the veil, a statement said The group, which wants the introduction of sharia laws in mainly-Muslim Bangladesh, also ordered women students at Dhaka University not to step out after sunset, prompting police to increase security around the campus. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
A banned Islamist militant group blamed for a series of bombings in Bangladesh has threatened to kill women, including non-Muslims, if they do not wear the veil, a statement said
Wearing a headscarf is a personal thing that has no impact on society. A person who acts against a supposed command of God should anger God alone and not other human beings. Fellow human beings (i.e. society) can only interfere where the individual's actions harm others. So what right does another human being have to act as God's proxy and mete out punishment ? That, in the context of the same religious beliefs, is the highest form of blasphemy.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Banning them isn't protrecting those women, though.
I think that the best way to protect the women is to allow them to carry handguns.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Yes, let's escalate the violence, shall we? If the women were to carry guns, the men would start carrying automatic rifles. I don't object to owning a gun. I own one myself. I use it in a "zen" sense, to strive to better myself at something. In my case aiming, focus and concentration. Sometimes I enjoy myself by shooting at beer cans, old flat screen monitors, and whatnot. Using it for "protection" is just a very bad idea in my opinion. Whomever you are protecting yourself from, will arm themselves better than you and/or shoot without hesitation. -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
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All I did was link an article, where people hate and tries to force them to do thinks they dont want. That makes me the hater?? nice
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
he`s ignored and his remarks are not credible due to promoting haterd amongh cultures and religions
:laugh: ... or because he believes in freely tweaking the noses of the political correct zealots and true believers. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Reverend Satan wrote:
.. or because he believes in freely tweaking the noses of the political correct zealots and true believers
No! I think he would make an excellent Muslim. :omg::omg: I made a politically incorrect statement ;P
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
NIsh,i have seen women in India who wear saris,i ve seen thousands of people in life who wear and i believe there forced to wear clothes ,otherwise they wanted to be naked all the time. could you explain how why those women wear sarees and why ppl wear clothes?are they forced to wear anything?
Hello Adnan, There's a difference between wearing clothes and putting a shawl around your face. I am not saying it's a bad thing if the person enjoys doing it. But there are women who do not want to wear the facial shawl. Which is why this specific Bangladeshi group says it'll kill such women. That, is simply not right. No woman should be told that she would die if she didn't wear the facial shawl. Nish p.s. Your name reminds me of that singer with the same first name, Adnan Sami, don't know if he's Indian or Pakistani :-)
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Hello Adnan, There's a difference between wearing clothes and putting a shawl around your face. I am not saying it's a bad thing if the person enjoys doing it. But there are women who do not want to wear the facial shawl. Which is why this specific Bangladeshi group says it'll kill such women. That, is simply not right. No woman should be told that she would die if she didn't wear the facial shawl.
Nish,you didn`t get my point Bro!you can`t generalise on basis of one example?is it sane?offcourse not.. let me repeat,Hijab don`t cover Face Covering at all..so kindly dont give example of covering face,yet my personal opinion is that covering of Face makes them secure more than not being covered...its the fact that a man is mostly attracted due to face,figure comes later and whole concept of Hijab is to wear lose clothes so that a woman`s figure don`t get exposed..what`s wrong in it?i believe sub continent countries dont like their mothers and sisters to wear skirts,i havnt not been personally in most part of India but through Movies and a trip to kanpur(my dad`s birth place), i got the idea that Indian woman(A true Indian Woman) NEVER likes to unviel their bodies..A woman is a respectable icon..much respectable than a man itself...do you ever wonder why a pearl is covered in a shell?why jewllers put gold and dimonds in case with more care...Woman is not lesser than a pearl and Dimond in our society(eastern),A mother is like Bhagwan(for Hindus) and a Way to go paradise(for Muslims),when such thinking is in mind...even i am not a muslim but believe in above mentioned faith..i woudnt like to see her in sucha way which makes her offended by others(Staring by others)..i would prefer to give as much as protection to my pearl/dimond.. same concept Islam had brought..same concept brought by Hinduism thousands of years back,same thing brought by Christianity and Judaism.. You would be surprised that Hindu books discusses about vieling..which is not followed by hindu women..but its mentioned in books giving example of B`desi groups..so extreemiss are everywhere,so are in Hindustian and Hindu religion, like this guy[^] from RSS ,an Indian extreemist group who destructed Babri Mosque, preachin Hindu women to produce as much baby
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Nishant,my family women dont wear scarf cos they didn`t opt to
That is nice :-) I am glad they could do as they wanted to. If they were in Bangladesh, they'd have been worried now I guess.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you live in Toronto,i wonder how many covered headed women have u seen over there
Quite a few. Even school going girls. Though they aren't very careful with it. I've seen girls whose head cloth keeps falling off ands they don't care a lot.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
That is nice I am glad they could do as they wanted to. If they were in Bangladesh, they'd have been worried now I guess.
you`re wrong here again Nishant! wearing scarf,jeans is personal things,Islam just asks women to cover herself properly and don`t expose the body..i think its not unusual and against Human nature at all. school girls age covers from 4-15 years,if a girl of 8th or 10th grade wears scarf,its not alien anyways..living in a society like US where crime rate of crime is high,rate of raping is high, read this[^] FBI report , this sexualy assault stats Report [^] and this[^] research report for high abuse against women.. its not bad if parents of those girls asks them to wear scarf..but again ..its not forced to them...yes i dont deny NOT all force them,few parents really force them ..but to be honest Nishant,you have met a single muslim family,i have met many,in virual world and real life,my own relatives live in US ,Canda and Uk..and most of girls and women wear scarf with their own will cos they feel more secure..for sake of your info,one of the Hindu friend of my friend`s wife wears scarf like our muslims women and she feels much better in it. Vieling is not bad Nish, and its not a Post islamic practise,its has been promoted in all major religions,from bible to hinduism and all these religions are older than Islam itself,Chiristians sketch picture of Mary who has covered herself like a Islamic dress,nuns follow Marry..but not rest,a hollw and lame reason given by chiristians that they Opt it cos they wana be religious..they themselves admit that Chirtianity lies among churches and in hearts of nuns and priests..cos of this..chiristianity is not charmful for them.. guess the incest rate in US itself..why the western society taking last breath,they had gone to extreem of lust,have had sex with animals..no moral value
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A woman who cover herself would be more secure,will be lesser chance to get harrased then a woman who`s exposing herbody..fair enough..it happens and its the fact
That indicates that there is a problem with men, right? So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease. -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
That indicates that there is a problem with men, right?
i am 200% agree with ya dude..that`s man problem but a natural one...
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease.
what cure has been brought by West or Non muslims yet in whole civilization, high rape rate in a society,INcest, single mothers..why moral values gettin worst day by day?West should start seriously thinking..
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease.
what`s the concept of *Lockers* anyway?why not govt heal by killing theives and robbers rather we go to lockers and put our PRECIOUS STUFF and money in it? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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You one of ppl who promote HATERD!!!!!! HATERD!!!!! Why you not link to thing with flowers and sunshine and puppydogs and the smell of fresh washed turbans? - F
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kgaddy wrote:
That makes me the hater??
NO..exposing violence is not bad,it should be exposed,but you don`t expose Violence you expose,you just come to bash Islam by giving a link or other,by giving baseless statments which were not even accepted by most of other religion ppl,seldom muslim like me or A.A or farhan(just 3) would bother to communicate with you...most of the time non-muslims raped you..so you just dont use brain while showing ur haterd against Islam..thtswhy u r an arsehole regardin who else consider you an arsehole..since u dnt have brain like avg american..you coudn`t figure out the sarcasm..many dont response you..maybe cos they realize earler than me that you suffer mouth diarrhea,thats why you stink much. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Congratulations! Not only have you demostrated your intolerance and prejudice but have descended into cursing for now obvious reason. You are one tolerant muslim! Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke -- modified at 15:28 Saturday 10th December, 2005
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All I did was link an article, where people hate and tries to force them to do thinks they dont want. That makes me the hater?? nice
kgaddy wrote:
That makes me the hater??
NO..exposing violence is not bad,it should be exposed,but you don`t expose Violence you expose,you just come to bash Islam by giving a link or other,by giving baseless statments which were not even accepted by most of other religion ppl,seldom muslim like me or A.A or farhan(just 3) would bother to communicate with you...most of the time non-muslims raped you..so you just dont use brain while showing ur haterd against Islam..thtswhy u r an arsehole regardin who else consider you an arsehole..since u dnt have brain like avg american..you coudn`t figure out the sarcasm..many dont response you..maybe cos they realize earler than me that you suffer mouth diarrhea,thats why you stink much. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
That indicates that there is a problem with men, right?
i am 200% agree with ya dude..that`s man problem but a natural one...
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease.
what cure has been brought by West or Non muslims yet in whole civilization, high rape rate in a society,INcest, single mothers..why moral values gettin worst day by day?West should start seriously thinking..
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease.
what`s the concept of *Lockers* anyway?why not govt heal by killing theives and robbers rather we go to lockers and put our PRECIOUS STUFF and money in it? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
i am 200% agree with ya dude..that`s man problem but a natural one...
It is not a natural problem. It may have been a million years ago when the human species were still in the ape stage.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
what cure has been brought by West or Non muslims yet in whole civilization, high rape rate in a society
How do you define rape? Does having sex with a man because of fear of retribution constitute rape? If so, I'm sure the rape rates of muslim and non-muslim are more or less equal.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
INcest
I'm no expert in this area, so you may dismiss me as a blubbering fool. However, I have read reports that the increased number of incest incidents aren't due to a real increase, but that we've become better in detecting and reporting them. With we I'm referring to Swedes. I have no idea about the rest of the non-muslim world. I try not to generalize too much. At any rate, since incests seem to have been a hidden well in the past, it would seem that more things than we know are going on. Are you so sure that muslims commit less incest crimes than non-muslims (per capita)? Think about that one. Also, think about the possible repercussions a muslim child, living in a rather strict society, would have to endure, if he or she would claim that he or she had been molested by a parent.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
single mothers
Ah yes. When men behave like assholes, women tend to leave them. Is that a bad thing?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
what`s the concept of *Lockers* anyway?why not govt heal by killing theives and robbers rather we go to lockers and put our PRECIOUS STUFF and money in it?
Because governments that actually care about its population, doesn't kill their citizens? -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
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You one of ppl who promote HATERD!!!!!! HATERD!!!!! Why you not link to thing with flowers and sunshine and puppydogs and the smell of fresh washed turbans? - F
Fisticuffs wrote:
You one of ppl who promote HATERD!!!!!! HATERD!!!!! Why you not link to thing with flowers and sunshine and puppydogs and the smell of fresh washed turbans?
you are hungry..why dont u run towards your two mommas(Kgaddy or Stan),they would feed ya,lifts anyone shirt and Suck them..u would be calm down :laugh: MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan