King Kong and a Five-year old?
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Michael Martin wrote:
Christ, my 5 year daughter just waited for Herbie to get out of trouble. She had seen through out the movie that nothing really bad ever happened to Herbie.
You see, women are immune to men suffering :) From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
Daniel Turini wrote:
You see, women are immune to men suffering
:) Well put. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
it's important to feed their imaginations with a little fantasy now and them.
I prefer to watch children develop their imaginations without being spoon fed images of disguisting monsters and violence, which, lacking any other imagination, they act out toward each other at the day care. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Marc Clifton wrote:
at the day care.
Who in their right mind would send their kid to day care??!! Seriously! Parents should raise their own children - not hire strangers to do so. IMHO - Day care does more harm than the occassional movie. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
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ahz wrote:
Proof positive from your own "mouth" that she has become desensitized to violence.
Bullshit! Smart enough to work shit out from what she is seeing. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
you are only fooling yourself.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
A serious question--why is that? What part of your life do you feel is a result of your childhood?
Permanent anger and rage. This eased off quite a bit in 2000 when I won my court case. After that my brain/mind was able to turn off at night and let me sleep.
Marc Clifton wrote:
Do you feel you had a defining moment, as an adult, where you said "I'm no longer letting my past control me?"
No, at about 10 or 11 I made up my mind never to be anything like my father.
Marc Clifton wrote:
I for one do not buy into Freudian psychology. At some point, as an adult, we have the ability to grow out of our childhood traumas. It may be incredibly difficult, but I think the modern day shrink emphasizes digging into the past too much, and not enough of "get a spine and grow out of it".
Never been to a psychiatrist, probably would have been good as a child but but the time I was an adult my putrecent hatred of the world was complete. I did see a psychologist twice in 2000 as part of my court case (a requirement), but told her that further visits were a waste of time as it was too late to fix the problem. Obviously you have missed the posts years ago or have forgotten them so a quick attempted cleaned up version for the lounge. Mother was chased off when I was 4 after catching daddy if in the act of poo pushing. Poofter pedophile who used me as bait to get mothers to allow their kids to stay over and play with me. They got molested, live in poofter boyfriend pedophile molseted me. Older molested boys also decided the best way to get back at the perpetrator was to molest me as well. Completely fucked up. There is a shitload more to it. As for the whole spine thing (I know you weren't directing this at me), without blowing too much sunshine up my own arse, there aren't too many people on earth who could live through my childhood and be fucked up as little as I am. I refuse to hide my kids from too much (somethings have to wait until they are older) because that is what my father did. As much as I love a drink I am not an alcoholic or addicted to anything, why?? Because that faggot was an alcoholic and I will die before I am anything like him. It's late, I worked a shitload again today, am having a couple of drinks and am losing track of where my post was going, will stop now as several rereads haven't helped any.
Michael Martin wrote:
so a quick attempted cleaned up version for the lounge.
[speechless]. Ah. That is a terrible experience. I can see that yet again, my lofty ideals are met with the horror of people's real experiences. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
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Marc Clifton wrote:
A serious question--why is that? What part of your life do you feel is a result of your childhood?
Permanent anger and rage. This eased off quite a bit in 2000 when I won my court case. After that my brain/mind was able to turn off at night and let me sleep.
Marc Clifton wrote:
Do you feel you had a defining moment, as an adult, where you said "I'm no longer letting my past control me?"
No, at about 10 or 11 I made up my mind never to be anything like my father.
Marc Clifton wrote:
I for one do not buy into Freudian psychology. At some point, as an adult, we have the ability to grow out of our childhood traumas. It may be incredibly difficult, but I think the modern day shrink emphasizes digging into the past too much, and not enough of "get a spine and grow out of it".
Never been to a psychiatrist, probably would have been good as a child but but the time I was an adult my putrecent hatred of the world was complete. I did see a psychologist twice in 2000 as part of my court case (a requirement), but told her that further visits were a waste of time as it was too late to fix the problem. Obviously you have missed the posts years ago or have forgotten them so a quick attempted cleaned up version for the lounge. Mother was chased off when I was 4 after catching daddy if in the act of poo pushing. Poofter pedophile who used me as bait to get mothers to allow their kids to stay over and play with me. They got molested, live in poofter boyfriend pedophile molseted me. Older molested boys also decided the best way to get back at the perpetrator was to molest me as well. Completely fucked up. There is a shitload more to it. As for the whole spine thing (I know you weren't directing this at me), without blowing too much sunshine up my own arse, there aren't too many people on earth who could live through my childhood and be fucked up as little as I am. I refuse to hide my kids from too much (somethings have to wait until they are older) because that is what my father did. As much as I love a drink I am not an alcoholic or addicted to anything, why?? Because that faggot was an alcoholic and I will die before I am anything like him. It's late, I worked a shitload again today, am having a couple of drinks and am losing track of where my post was going, will stop now as several rereads haven't helped any.
Michael Martin wrote:
version for the lounge.
Wow! I'm real sorry you had to go through that, but I'm real glad you've become a much better person in spite (maybe because?) of it. For my own part, my father was an alcoholic abusive bastard as well. Although I never experienced anything like what you did from him. So, I have at least a partial understanding of your rage and anger. Kudos to you.
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you are only fooling yourself.
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don't have to know her
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Michael Martin wrote:
so a quick attempted cleaned up version for the lounge.
[speechless]. Ah. That is a terrible experience. I can see that yet again, my lofty ideals are met with the horror of people's real experiences. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Marc Clifton wrote:
[speechless]. Ah. That is a terrible experience. I can see that yet again, my lofty ideals are met with the horror of people's real experiences.
Don't disregard your lofty ideals. At times I wish I wasn't as cynical and was easier on my kids. Though having said that they both know I love them more than anything (though the wife is up there too) and am never too scared to tell them and make time for hugs and all that gooey crap. Will still kick the crap out of them when they stuff up. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
version for the lounge.
Wow! I'm real sorry you had to go through that, but I'm real glad you've become a much better person in spite (maybe because?) of it. For my own part, my father was an alcoholic abusive bastard as well. Although I never experienced anything like what you did from him. So, I have at least a partial understanding of your rage and anger. Kudos to you.
ahz wrote:
Wow! I'm real sorry you had to go through that, but I'm real glad you've become a much better person in spite (maybe because?) of it. For my own part, my father was an alcoholic abusive bastard as well. Although I never experienced anything like what you did from him. So, I have at least a partial understanding of your rage and anger. Kudos to you.
Thank you. Sorry you had a shitty childhood. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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And sadly, because you and so many other parents feel the same way, the violence of children against children is perpetuated as they act out their on-screen fantasies and roll models against each other, and as they mature into adults, the result is a decensitization to all forms of violence. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome! -- modified at 11:34 Friday 16th December, 2005
Marc Clifton wrote:
...decensitization...
This one word says it all.
"Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it." - Native American Proverb
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And sadly, because you and so many other parents feel the same way, the violence of children against children is perpetuated as they act out their on-screen fantasies and roll models against each other...
Of the couple of times we have been called to school it has all been retaliation to someone else, never has he been the perpetrator. Closest he gets is at home, but that is his little sister, who just like mine was, is a scheming little bitch who niggles and niggles till he explodes. If he does the right thing and leaves it up to me she gets the flogging, if he can't help himself and let's loose he cops it.
Marc Clifton wrote:
and as they mature into adults, the result is a decensitization to all forms of violence.
Now if only I was lucky enough to have watch movies to get my desensitivation. Movies are the least of the worlds problems when it comes to kids becoming fucked up adults. In the end it comes down to the mental strength of the individual to what they do. With my childhood I should be out killing everything and everypone I don't like and molesting the rest. I'm not doing it though. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
...never has he been the perpetrator.
Just out of curiosity, did the other parent(s) say the same thing about their child?
"Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it." - Native American Proverb
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
and you know her better than his own father?
So many in the world believe so about every child out there. If they have no kids of their own they know even better. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
...never has he been the perpetrator.
Just out of curiosity, did the other parent(s) say the same thing about their child?
"Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it." - Native American Proverb
DavidCrow wrote:
Just out of curiosity, did the other parent(s) say the same thing about their child?
No idea, I just get the facts/story from the pricipal/teachers not from my son or other parents. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Marc Clifton wrote:
at the day care.
Who in their right mind would send their kid to day care??!! Seriously! Parents should raise their own children - not hire strangers to do so. IMHO - Day care does more harm than the occassional movie. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Who in their right mind would send their kid to day care??!!
Some parents do it out of necessity, other do it out of laziness.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Parents should raise their own children - not hire strangers to do so.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
IMHO - Day care does more harm than the occassional movie.
As do a lot of public schools.
"Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it." - Native American Proverb
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andy brummer wrote:
My jaw just about hit the floor when one of my co-workers said he took his 5 year old to see Saving Private Ryan.
You should ask him why. I bet he says "I want my son to know what war is like". Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
I did. He just didn't think about the movies he exposed his children to. I can't really think of any good reason to take a young child to a movie like that. There are plenty of less traumatic ways to introduce war to a child. Even if they didn't just freak out from the battle scenes, they won't really understand what the movie is about. I imagine it will be tough to resist the urge to protect my spawn from all "evils" in the world, but I hope I do a better job then that. It's wierd though, the things that terrified me the most as a child were an episode of Casper the friendly ghost and these movies about 1984 and Nostradomus I saw when I was a little older. Things like creepshow and all the other horror movies never really phased me.
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Yeah, I question some people decisions on what they expose their children to. Yesterday at the mall, I was in Spencer's Gifts looking for a gag gift for a party and someone was in there with a 6-7 year old. For people not familiar, Spencer's sells Adult novelty items like drinking games, drug paraphernalia, sex toys, plenty of t-shirts with explicit sayings and pictures, etc.. Not a kid's store. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
...plenty of t-shirts with explicit sayings and pictures...
My family and I were in New Orleans earlier in the year doing the tourist thing and went into a few of the local stores. I was appalled at the profanity/vile stuff just sitting right out in the open. It's a shame, really. :(
"Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it." - Native American Proverb
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
and you know her better than his own father?
So many in the world believe so about every child out there. If they have no kids of their own they know even better. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
no kids of their own
ah, but I have three children of my own. And a lot of neighbor children around who hang around, too. I can clearly see the difference that watching such shows has on children. It is quite evident in the behaviour and language of those children who I know are permitted to watch such shows. Their behaviour is quite different from those children who are not permitted. What I have seen is that such children are meaner and less sensitive to other children and otherwise less well behaved. While on the other hand, my children and other children who are not yet permitted to watch such shows are quite the opposite -- they are nicer, more sensitive, more caring people and are generally more well behaved.
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I'd love to take my son to see King Kong, but I'm getting understandable resistance from his mother. Has anyone seen it? I know this is a difficult question, but is it OK for a five-year old? This kid.. of course he's smart, he enjoys dinosaur movies (duh), he really enjoyed Planet of the Apes when he was 3 ("Daddy.. why do the apes hate the humans so much?"). He know the difference between movies and reality. TIA for informed opinions.
Screw the 5 year old. Why are you wanting to waste your money and 3 hours of your and the child's life on yet another crappy Hollywood remake? Besides the parental issue[1] of scaring the kid. The flood of mind numbing redudancy and lack of creative inspiration from Hollywood will damage the child's mind much more than nightmare's of giant poorly animated gorillas jumping off buildings and eventually dieing in the end. Take the $50 bucks you would have to spend to see the movie and get the kid an ice cream cone. [1] I saw several flame wars over parental issues starting on other threads and I'm not seaking to repeat them here. IMHO his kid, his choice. Jared Parsons jaredp@beanseed.org http://spaces.msn.com/members/jaredp/ -- modified at 13:56 Friday 16th December, 2005
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Marc Clifton wrote:
5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality.
So what. It doesn't have to be clear, as long as the end result is they know it is fantasy, even if they have to question you somewhere along the line. I reckon my son has seen stuff you still don't allow your son to watch and he's what, about 6 years older. As long as I (or his mother) is there to remove him from the movie or press the stop button if there is something beyond his capabilities I see no problem. My son has a much clearer view on the world and takes less shit from his peers and teachers than the rest of his classmates who have been babied along and kept too far away from the reality of the big bad world or fantasy of the big bad movie. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
You ever watch your child watch power rangers, star wars, or teenage turtles. They re-enact the fight. While I play star wars galaxies by son is in the background saying "I am your father luke", "Die! Jedi Die", "Lord vader, RISE" So the child, after seeing any movie, vividly creates fantasies about what he saw and believes them to be true. So after king kong he will be sublimally be persuaded by the director's impression of this story. So after the movie we will go watch "Barbie" to counter-act this impression and realize why there are so many stippers in america! Nick I'm not an expert yet, but I play one at work. Yeah and here too.
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Jim A. Johnson wrote:
but I'm getting understandable resistance from his mother.
Good!
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
He know the difference between movies and reality
That's BS. You think he does because you see him through your adult eyes. 5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality. Nor should they. They should have an imagination that only laters questions, "why isn't this possible". imHo. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Would it damage the kid to think there were 50 foot Apes wandering around? He's a kid - let him have his fantasies and fears before Real Life gives him for more boring, and dangerous, fantasies and fears. cheers, Chris Maunder
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