King Kong and a Five-year old?
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Nicholas Wigant wrote:
My wife and I are both working hard just to give our daughter a good life and you say I'm a bad parent.
What do two working parents have to do with your daughter having, or not having, a good life? By working more, you are simply earning more money, but at the expense of what? I know of instances where the alternate childcare provider (e.g., daycare, sitter) sees the child more than the actual parents do. For example, if the child sleeps for eight hours, and is at the sitter for eight hours, that only leaves eight hours for there to be any parent/child interaction. Is that sufficient?
"Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it." - Native American Proverb
Depends on if the parents actually spend those 8 hours interacting with their child. I guess we could live if it were just me working but my wife (who is a high school teacher by the way) loves her job and likes working. Just like daycare she also has stories about certain kids who talk back/act out and do you know what? Most of the kids she complains about had stay at home moms!:wtf: I just hate when people assume that just because we send our child to daycare that somehow either we're not being good parents or we don't love her. Like it's been said on this thread, my kid, my decision. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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Thanks a$$h%&#. My wife and I are both working hard just to give our daughter a good life and you say I'm a bad parent. Nice. Exactly how many kids do you have by the way? ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
Nicholas Wigant wrote:
and you say I'm a bad parent.
Sorry, that wasn't my intent. I was being a little melodramatic to counter Marc's concerns about children watching movies.
Nicholas Wigant wrote:
Exactly how many kids do you have by the way?
Two and while neither went to daycare both watched plenty of PG & PG-13 movies at 5 and beyond. ;P FWIW (Watch out, Mike's about to brag about his kids): My daughter just finished her first semester (5.0 GPA) at the University of Illinois (Psychology / Pre-Law) and was valedictorian of her HS class. My son is a sophomore in HS and also has a 5.0 GPA. I still remember the joy he showed while watching Jurassic Park with a big bucket of popcorn on his 4 year old lap. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
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Nicholas Wigant wrote:
and you say I'm a bad parent.
Sorry, that wasn't my intent. I was being a little melodramatic to counter Marc's concerns about children watching movies.
Nicholas Wigant wrote:
Exactly how many kids do you have by the way?
Two and while neither went to daycare both watched plenty of PG & PG-13 movies at 5 and beyond. ;P FWIW (Watch out, Mike's about to brag about his kids): My daughter just finished her first semester (5.0 GPA) at the University of Illinois (Psychology / Pre-Law) and was valedictorian of her HS class. My son is a sophomore in HS and also has a 5.0 GPA. I still remember the joy he showed while watching Jurassic Park with a big bucket of popcorn on his 4 year old lap. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
Now, how many of those movies did they watch without you though? That's where I think I would stand on this whole issue. If I'm there watching it too (probably having screened it myself first) then I don't see as much of an issue. I guess that's against the point of this "conversation" anyway isn't it since he was going to take the kid WITH him. I'm with you too though. I watched one of the Jurassic Park movies with my nephew when he was about 6 or 7 and he loved it mainly because he's big into dinosaurs(wants to be an archeologist). It's all gray area I guess. I just don't like the extremes, call me a moderate:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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Now, how many of those movies did they watch without you though? That's where I think I would stand on this whole issue. If I'm there watching it too (probably having screened it myself first) then I don't see as much of an issue. I guess that's against the point of this "conversation" anyway isn't it since he was going to take the kid WITH him. I'm with you too though. I watched one of the Jurassic Park movies with my nephew when he was about 6 or 7 and he loved it mainly because he's big into dinosaurs(wants to be an archeologist). It's all gray area I guess. I just don't like the extremes, call me a moderate:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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Nicholas Wigant wrote:
how many of those movies did they watch without you though?
None. When they had questions or concerns, I wanted first hand knowledge of the issue. Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
Good call. As it should be really. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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One more thing. Regardless of how stupid I think the movie rating system is, I think it is stupider to take a 5 year old to a movie rated PG-13. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Rant on, Marc. But if you think so lowly of the movie rating system then why are you using it when you say
Marc Clifton wrote:
I think it is stupider to take a 5 year old to a movie rated PG-13.
I'll agree though that taking a five year old to this movie is likely not a great idea (but not because of the screqy rating system). Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Remember that in Texas, Gun Control is hitting what you aim at. [Richard Stringer] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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Michael Martin wrote:
no kids of their own
ah, but I have three children of my own. And a lot of neighbor children around who hang around, too. I can clearly see the difference that watching such shows has on children. It is quite evident in the behaviour and language of those children who I know are permitted to watch such shows. Their behaviour is quite different from those children who are not permitted. What I have seen is that such children are meaner and less sensitive to other children and otherwise less well behaved. While on the other hand, my children and other children who are not yet permitted to watch such shows are quite the opposite -- they are nicer, more sensitive, more caring people and are generally more well behaved.
All your observations may be true. But it is still conjecture to suggest that there is a definite relationship between the two. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Remember that in Texas, Gun Control is hitting what you aim at. [Richard Stringer] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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Rant on, Marc. But if you think so lowly of the movie rating system then why are you using it when you say
Marc Clifton wrote:
I think it is stupider to take a 5 year old to a movie rated PG-13.
I'll agree though that taking a five year old to this movie is likely not a great idea (but not because of the screqy rating system). Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Remember that in Texas, Gun Control is hitting what you aim at. [Richard Stringer] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
Chris Meech wrote:
then why are you using it
Because others may put more weight into it. My major complaint is that it's not aggressive enough! Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
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Screw the 5 year old. Why are you wanting to waste your money and 3 hours of your and the child's life on yet another crappy Hollywood remake? Besides the parental issue[1] of scaring the kid. The flood of mind numbing redudancy and lack of creative inspiration from Hollywood will damage the child's mind much more than nightmare's of giant poorly animated gorillas jumping off buildings and eventually dieing in the end. Take the $50 bucks you would have to spend to see the movie and get the kid an ice cream cone. [1] I saw several flame wars over parental issues starting on other threads and I'm not seaking to repeat them here. IMHO his kid, his choice. Jared Parsons jaredp@beanseed.org http://spaces.msn.com/members/jaredp/ -- modified at 13:56 Friday 16th December, 2005
Jared Parsons wrote:
Take the $50 bucks you would have to spend to see the movie and get the kid an ice cream cone.
That would be a pretty big ice cream cone, for $50!!! Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
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Jim A. Johnson wrote:
but I'm getting understandable resistance from his mother.
Good!
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
He know the difference between movies and reality
That's BS. You think he does because you see him through your adult eyes. 5 year olds do NOT have a clear understanding of the difference between movies (fantasy, in other words) and reality. Nor should they. They should have an imagination that only laters questions, "why isn't this possible". imHo. Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
Well said! Jeremy Falcon
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How is that desensitized? I would mark it more as she knows how movies work. She found a pattern that is very prevalent in American movies and that is that the good guy always gets into a hard spot before breaking out into an amazing win. -J
Think of a computer program. Somewhere, there is one key instruction, and everything else is just functions calling themselves, or brackets billowing out endlessly through an infinite address space. What happens when the brackets collapse? Where's the final 'end if'? Is any of this making sense? -Ford Prefect
Of course, that is an assumption on your part. Jeremy Falcon
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All your observations may be true. But it is still conjecture to suggest that there is a definite relationship between the two. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Remember that in Texas, Gun Control is hitting what you aim at. [Richard Stringer] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
Perhaps, but then it's still also conjecture to suggest there isn't one. And, at least he's going through the trouble of observing patterns, which aparently most haven't done yet on this thread. Jeremy Falcon
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Screw the 5 year old. Why are you wanting to waste your money and 3 hours of your and the child's life on yet another crappy Hollywood remake? Besides the parental issue[1] of scaring the kid. The flood of mind numbing redudancy and lack of creative inspiration from Hollywood will damage the child's mind much more than nightmare's of giant poorly animated gorillas jumping off buildings and eventually dieing in the end. Take the $50 bucks you would have to spend to see the movie and get the kid an ice cream cone. [1] I saw several flame wars over parental issues starting on other threads and I'm not seaking to repeat them here. IMHO his kid, his choice. Jared Parsons jaredp@beanseed.org http://spaces.msn.com/members/jaredp/ -- modified at 13:56 Friday 16th December, 2005
Jared Parsons wrote:
IMHO his kid, his choice.
Yeah, except he asked us for our opinion and we gave it to him. Nobody ever shouted mandates, just said what they thought. Jeremy Falcon
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Of course, that is an assumption on your part. Jeremy Falcon
Assuming that none of us are 5 year olds and assuming that none of us have the power to read minds and know exactly what children are thinking and how they are feeling, this whole F'ing thread is an assumption. And we all know what assuming does..... ;P -J
Think of a computer program. Somewhere, there is one key instruction, and everything else is just functions calling themselves, or brackets billowing out endlessly through an infinite address space. What happens when the brackets collapse? Where's the final 'end if'? Is any of this making sense? -Ford Prefect
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Assuming that none of us are 5 year olds and assuming that none of us have the power to read minds and know exactly what children are thinking and how they are feeling, this whole F'ing thread is an assumption. And we all know what assuming does..... ;P -J
Think of a computer program. Somewhere, there is one key instruction, and everything else is just functions calling themselves, or brackets billowing out endlessly through an infinite address space. What happens when the brackets collapse? Where's the final 'end if'? Is any of this making sense? -Ford Prefect
jasontg wrote:
Assuming that none of us are 5 year olds and assuming that none of us have the power to read minds and know exactly what children are thinking and how they are feeling, this whole F'ing thread is an assumption.
I don't know about you, but I used to be 5. And I can remember it too. ;) Jeremy Falcon