Terrorism and German socialists
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Kidnapped socialist Susanne Osthoff, who was released in exchange for well known terrorist Mohammad Ali Hamadi[^] described her captors as "poor people" and said that she "cannot blame them for kidnapping her, as they cannot enter [Baghdad's heavily fortified] Green Zone to kidnap Americans." The story - http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D8D8FCB6-524C-48D3-B851-6F01C7FAECAC.htm[^]
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Kidnapped socialist Susanne Osthoff, who was released in exchange for well known terrorist Mohammad Ali Hamadi[^] described her captors as "poor people" and said that she "cannot blame them for kidnapping her, as they cannot enter [Baghdad's heavily fortified] Green Zone to kidnap Americans." The story - http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D8D8FCB6-524C-48D3-B851-6F01C7FAECAC.htm[^]
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Kidnapped socialist Susanne Osthoff, who was released in exchange for well known terrorist Mohammad Ali Hamadi[^] described her captors as "poor people" and said that she "cannot blame them for kidnapping her, as they cannot enter [Baghdad's heavily fortified] Green Zone to kidnap Americans." The story - http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D8D8FCB6-524C-48D3-B851-6F01C7FAECAC.htm[^]
(1) Welcome back, Tomasz (2) This is the first time I see Mrs. Osthoff labeled as "socialist". (3) The Hamadi - Osthoff link is denied by all official sources, which doesn't mean anything - except that it's an unconfirmed speculation that sounds reasonable. (4) Who owns english.aljazeera.net? (5) Your own Debbie Schlussel predicted in June that Hammadi would be released. Osthoff was an unknown name by then.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Is that not called the Stockholm Syndrome? It is normal for kidnapped people to start to feel a sense of empathy or sympathy for the kidnappers after a while.
Actually I beleive its known as the 'Socialist Syndrome' - ie Feeling empathy and sympathy for your kidnappers before you are even kidnapped. In fact, allowing yourself to be kidnapped in the first place so that they can carry out their plans. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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If you read about her, it seems she developed her Stockholm Syndrome long before she was kidnapped ;)
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Is that not called the Stockholm Syndrome? It is normal for kidnapped people to start to feel a sense of empathy or sympathy for the kidnappers after a while.
Actually I beleive its known as the 'Socialist Syndrome' - ie Feeling empathy and sympathy for your kidnappers before you are even kidnapped. In fact, allowing yourself to be kidnapped in the first place so that they can carry out their plans. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
depends on what you understand when someone says "known as". But hey, why should truth stand in the way of Socialist bashing?
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depends on what you understand when someone says "known as". But hey, why should truth stand in the way of Socialist bashing?
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistOh, come on, everyone knows that socialist fear American capitalism more than terrorism. Its a perfectly natural alliance. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Oh, come on, everyone knows that socialist fear American capitalism more than terrorism. Its a perfectly natural alliance. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Still, I fail to see what this whole story has to do with socialism. What do you fear more? Terrorism or Socialism? Or is any "enemy of capitalism" the same to you?
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Still, I fail to see what this whole story has to do with socialism. What do you fear more? Terrorism or Socialism? Or is any "enemy of capitalism" the same to you?
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistI've never made a secret of the notion that I believe that many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda, and, in many political ways, it has been quite good for them. In fact, since paranoia continues to be the order of the day, I think the entire timing of the 9/11 attack - 8 months into a conservative American president's administration, elected in a highly contested campaign - is at least as valid a subject of suspecion as any of the worst alligations about Bush. Especially considering that many of the terrorists had spent considerable time in Europe. I would not be surprised at all if someday it is discovered that there was collusion at some level between the terrorists and the European socialist community, and that the true objectives of the terrorists had as much or more to do with socialism as with Islamic fundamentalism. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 10:37 Tuesday 27th December, 2005
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I've never made a secret of the notion that I believe that many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda, and, in many political ways, it has been quite good for them. In fact, since paranoia continues to be the order of the day, I think the entire timing of the 9/11 attack - 8 months into a conservative American president's administration, elected in a highly contested campaign - is at least as valid a subject of suspecion as any of the worst alligations about Bush. Especially considering that many of the terrorists had spent considerable time in Europe. I would not be surprised at all if someday it is discovered that there was collusion at some level between the terrorists and the European socialist community, and that the true objectives of the terrorists had as much or more to do with socialism as with Islamic fundamentalism. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 10:37 Tuesday 27th December, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
I've never made a secret that I believe that many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda, and, in many political ways, it has been quite good for them.
This is the exact opposite of the truth. Terrorism has been great for the right wing. By pretending to be the only protection against it, the right has used the threat of terrorism as the foundation for their electoral success and as an excuse for tossing out civil rights that they have always opposed. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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I've never made a secret of the notion that I believe that many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda, and, in many political ways, it has been quite good for them. In fact, since paranoia continues to be the order of the day, I think the entire timing of the 9/11 attack - 8 months into a conservative American president's administration, elected in a highly contested campaign - is at least as valid a subject of suspecion as any of the worst alligations about Bush. Especially considering that many of the terrorists had spent considerable time in Europe. I would not be surprised at all if someday it is discovered that there was collusion at some level between the terrorists and the European socialist community, and that the true objectives of the terrorists had as much or more to do with socialism as with Islamic fundamentalism. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 10:37 Tuesday 27th December, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda
Maybe.
Stan Shannon wrote:
in many political ways, it has been quite good for them.
Really? And why is that? Do you think the bumbling retard we call President and his gang has had anything to do with that? Do you think a competent Republican administration -- one that would have payed attention to the 9/11 warnings, or that would have focused our resources in going after Bin Laden and keeping our borders secure -- would have foiled "the left"'s successes in promoting their agenda?
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, since paranoia continues to be the order of the day, I think the entire timing of the 9/11 attack - 8 months into a conservative American president's administration, elected in a highly contested campaign - is at least as valid a subject of suspecion as any of the worst alligations about Bush. Especially considering that many of the terrorists had spent considerable time in Europe. I would not be surprised at all if someday it is discovered that there was collusion at some level between the terrorists and the European socialist community, and that the true objectives of the terrorists had as much or more to do with socialism as with Islamic fundamentalism.
You said it: paranoia. Alvaro
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Stan Shannon wrote:
many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda
Maybe.
Stan Shannon wrote:
in many political ways, it has been quite good for them.
Really? And why is that? Do you think the bumbling retard we call President and his gang has had anything to do with that? Do you think a competent Republican administration -- one that would have payed attention to the 9/11 warnings, or that would have focused our resources in going after Bin Laden and keeping our borders secure -- would have foiled "the left"'s successes in promoting their agenda?
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, since paranoia continues to be the order of the day, I think the entire timing of the 9/11 attack - 8 months into a conservative American president's administration, elected in a highly contested campaign - is at least as valid a subject of suspecion as any of the worst alligations about Bush. Especially considering that many of the terrorists had spent considerable time in Europe. I would not be surprised at all if someday it is discovered that there was collusion at some level between the terrorists and the European socialist community, and that the true objectives of the terrorists had as much or more to do with socialism as with Islamic fundamentalism.
You said it: paranoia. Alvaro
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Really? And why is that? Do you think the bumbling retard we call President and his gang has had anything to do with that? Do you think a competent Republican administration -- one that would have payed attention to the 9/11 warnings, or that would have focused our resources in going after Bin Laden and keeping our borders secure -- would have foiled "the left"'s successes in promoting their agenda?
Becuase precisely the same points could be made, with far more accuracy, about the previous (socialist) administration, but were not, and are not. I believe that is the very definition of opportunism. paranoia. [^] "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 11:42 Tuesday 27th December, 2005
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I've never made a secret that I believe that many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda, and, in many political ways, it has been quite good for them.
This is the exact opposite of the truth. Terrorism has been great for the right wing. By pretending to be the only protection against it, the right has used the threat of terrorism as the foundation for their electoral success and as an excuse for tossing out civil rights that they have always opposed. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
John Carson wrote:
This is the exact opposite of the truth
Well, to be fair, your perception of the truth.
John Carson wrote:
Terrorism has been great for the right wing. By pretending to be the only protection against it, the right has used the threat of terrorism as the foundation for their electoral success
Only because the left, all giddy over the opportunity provided by terroism, over played its hand and scared the crap out of the American electorate during the last campaign by letting people like Michael Moore and moveon.org define their message for them. Had they been able to keep their saner elements in the lead, they would have easily been carried into the whitehosuse. Hell, even I would have voted for them.
John Carson wrote:
for tossing out civil rights that they have always opposed.
Socialist talking points. The left has, in fact, been responsible for greater violations of what I consider to be civil rights than the right has. About the only legitimate criticism you can make of conservatives in that regard is their opposition to much of the civil rights legislation of the 1950's and '60's and their continued, and perfectly justified, opposition to leftist social engineering such as abortion,gay rights and secularism. None of which have a damn thing to do with terrorism one way or another. It is clearly the left that is using the terrorism as a means of legitimizing their own international Marxist agenda. All the right is doing to trying to maintain the status quo. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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I've never made a secret of the notion that I believe that many in the world's socialist community, including here ih the US, have seen the current terrorist activity to be something of an opportunity to promote their agenda, and, in many political ways, it has been quite good for them. In fact, since paranoia continues to be the order of the day, I think the entire timing of the 9/11 attack - 8 months into a conservative American president's administration, elected in a highly contested campaign - is at least as valid a subject of suspecion as any of the worst alligations about Bush. Especially considering that many of the terrorists had spent considerable time in Europe. I would not be surprised at all if someday it is discovered that there was collusion at some level between the terrorists and the European socialist community, and that the true objectives of the terrorists had as much or more to do with socialism as with Islamic fundamentalism. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot." -- modified at 10:37 Tuesday 27th December, 2005
Sometimes your view of the world really scares me, Stan.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
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Sometimes your view of the world really scares me, Stan.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistAnd sometimes it scares me that some people are only concerned about paranoia when it comes from the right. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Kidnapped socialist Susanne Osthoff, who was released in exchange for well known terrorist Mohammad Ali Hamadi[^] described her captors as "poor people" and said that she "cannot blame them for kidnapping her, as they cannot enter [Baghdad's heavily fortified] Green Zone to kidnap Americans." The story - http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D8D8FCB6-524C-48D3-B851-6F01C7FAECAC.htm[^]
Your anti german attitude is really getting on my nerves. What is your problem? You are relating everything you read from germany to some left/socialist conspiracy. Coming to Osthoff: Instead of talking so much bulls**t you should have pity with her. She is most probably not able to handle properly what has happened to her. To blame here for saying some stupid stuff is really ridiculous.
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Your anti german attitude is really getting on my nerves. What is your problem? You are relating everything you read from germany to some left/socialist conspiracy. Coming to Osthoff: Instead of talking so much bulls**t you should have pity with her. She is most probably not able to handle properly what has happened to her. To blame here for saying some stupid stuff is really ridiculous.