Protesting Air Strikes
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And here we have the answer to those who argue that the war on terror should be nothing more than trying to hunt down a few key individuals. Intelligence will always be flawed, innocent people will always die, and the survivors will always be justifiably angry. I would be. So the question remains what do you do? Can't have sanctions because innocent people die. Can't invade because innocent people die. Can't hunt from cave to cave, house to house because innocent people die. Obviously, we will be hated regardless of what we do aside from just surrendering. As an American, I am happy to be hated if it means my country is fighting back. Adnan, what happened in your country was terrible. But the terrorists who attacked us are living in your country. If you guys can't get them we have no choice but to try to do it for you. And if some of your innocent countrymen die in the process its your fault not mine. If you don't like that than you and all those protestors should be out finding those terrorists for us. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan Shannon wrote:
And here we have the answer to those who argue that the war on terror should be nothing more than trying to hunt down a few key individuals. Intelligence will always be flawed, innocent people will always die, and the survivors will always be justifiably angry. I would be.
if it was really a war on Terror,it is not,this WAR ON TERROR is sugarcoated word for "Personal INterest of a country or Mangment of the Country". this is lame excuse that innocent people would keep gettin die..why are they called Professionals when they cant hit on right target?i am not army expert,but after reading books,atleast i can make statment that for such conditions *secret missions* like stuff works, like CIA`s operation with Pakistan`s ISI to kill the desired person.. otherwise you ppl will nuke the whole world and say that you found a black point via satellite and it looked like some millitant. i never promote terrorism but there are ways to handle things,bush`s texan style had never worked in past and wouldn`t do in future you guys should shoot all CIA agents who are not capable to collect some solid info and better use that money for betterment and protection of your state.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But the terrorists who attacked us are living in your country
they`re not,in this way i could say that lots of terrorrists are in USA itself and they are not muslims but more threat for US,if you have gone thru the entire article,there is a videp clip of a Lt in which hes admittin that Aimen Zaharwi was not there at all,your guys information infrastructure is either very poor quality,even poorer than taliban detective system who have been foooling US soldiers for months, OR you guy just wait for change to hit any area of muslim population. your army is in Afghanistan,they couldnt capture that Genie Usama Laden and you expect us that we would be able to find blacksheeps?i dont deny that those guys would be used to cross border from afghanistan to pakistan from unreachable places,but every attack whether air strike or ground mission is based on some solid info,its not like routine police raid who attack on some house to capture suspected people i bet many ppl would be hiding on other countries associated with afghan borders,pakistani security is very tight but not all other counteries have been taking same security measures. Who knows how much US is insecure these days,there wouldbe
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from CNN[^] 18 killed, but al Qaeda No. 2 man apparently not among them LAHORE, Pakistan (CNN) -- Thousands of people turned out in cities across the country Sunday to demonstrate against Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and the United States in the wake of a U.S. airstrike that killed 18 people on Friday General Mush is always tested by his Darling Bush & CO,as its said that the path of love is not so easy at all. asusual this attack went in vain,information was wrong as it was about WMD,i wonder americans are really so idiot that they blindly believe in any info and get ready to strike the place? no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask,"Why do they hate us?"
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A more recent article states that Al-Zawahri was invited to dinner there, but instead of showing up he sent several aides. Further, a couple sources have said that quite a few of the dead (7 or 11 depending on the source) were foreign. The intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said al-Zawahri, who has a wife from a local tribe, had been invited to a dinner in the village to mark the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha but changed his mind and sent some aides instead. Link[^] > no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask, "Why do they hate us?" And when these people harbor, feed, and protect terrorists, can you understand why some Americans lose their sympathy for this argument? We know that there is this shadowy network of terrorist-sympathizers helping them evade justice. As a result, the US is left with few options - it can sit back and weather attacks or it can go after these guys. The other option - a routine capture that would reduce the number of innocent casualties - is rended ineffective by the local population's willingness to help these guys evade authorities. Quite a few Americans feel that we need to go after these guys and the hardline ones, frustrated by the general population's willingness to help the terrorists, have been losing sympathy for them. ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^] -- modified at 13:55 Sunday 15th January, 2006
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Adnan, what happened in your country was terrible. But the terrorists who attacked us are living in your country. If you guys can't get them we have no choice but to try to do it for you. And if some of your innocent countrymen die in the process its your fault not mine. If you don't like that than you and all those protestors should be out finding those terrorists for us.
So every country should do what the US says, or be bombed? Man, no wonder so many hates the US if this mentality is the norm over there. Ughh...disheartening to say the least. You, the US, killed innocents. True innocent people, but I guess they don't mean as much as the Americans killed on 9/11. When will you stop? If the score is even, i.e. your military kills as many innocents as was killed on 9/11, will you then stop? How many do you want dead?
Rohde wrote:
So every country should do what the US says, or be bombed?
What the fuck are you talking about? The terrorists are living in Adnan's country. It is their responsibility to do something about it. It is not a question of doing what the US says it is a question of simple responsibility. If the US allowed terrorist to live in our country who were dedicated to the murder and destruction of Pakistan, Pakistan would have every right to demand we do something about it and do it themselves if we wouldn't or couldn't do it ourselves.
Rohde wrote:
When will you stop?
When countries like Pakistan demonstrate they have the ability to stop people living in their country from going on international murder sprees.
Rohde wrote:
How many do you want dead?
Kiss my ass. I don't want any dead. THe death is not my fault you fucking idiot. It is not the fault of the US. It is the fault of all those who live in these countries who simply will not act to stop this madness. Tell me how in God's name you respond to the level of terrorism these people are capable of without killing innocents? "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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I've always been pro-US. Big pro. But their behaviour the last couple of years fills me with disgust. They keep killing innocent people without ever getting the teorrists (which I agree should be captured). The US mentality that they can just bomb whom ever where ever is a true danger to peace. I fear this American outragoues behaviour will keep on until someone stands up to them big time. I'm outraged at the American disdain for non-US life. They are sick. Almost as sick as the fundamental muslim terrorists. They are not there yet, but man they are on their way. I had hoped better from that nation. Boy was I wrong.
You f***king hypocrite! Disdain for life? Who sent the most aid when the tsunami hit? Who does the world go to when you need some dirty work done for you, you need help? Where are *you* when the Taliban came in and beheaded the local school master because he taught boys and girls how to read and write? Oh, where were you when the AMERICAN SOLDIERS took it upon themselves to send a little baby girl to Atlanta to receive a FREE operation to save her life? You were sitting on your ass whining about how terrible America is. I would urge you to do a couple of things: - first, think. Try and get some balance. - second, try and get more information than from your local political papers (read, just about every big business liberal paper). Where were you when people were jumping out of sky scrapers, choosing a sudden death due to impact rather than be burned alive? Where were you when the suicide bomber drove his car into a crowd of school children? When you bitch, whine and demonstrate against the madmen who started the war, when you shed the same tears for the two missing skyscrapers, the thousands dead, when you weep for the people killed in the subway and bus bombings, then *THEN* I will actually believe you are truly disgusted. You make me sick. C. Gilley Will program for food... My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
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A more recent article states that Al-Zawahri was invited to dinner there, but instead of showing up he sent several aides. Further, a couple sources have said that quite a few of the dead (7 or 11 depending on the source) were foreign. The intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said al-Zawahri, who has a wife from a local tribe, had been invited to a dinner in the village to mark the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Adha but changed his mind and sent some aides instead. Link[^] > no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask, "Why do they hate us?" And when these people harbor, feed, and protect terrorists, can you understand why some Americans lose their sympathy for this argument? We know that there is this shadowy network of terrorist-sympathizers helping them evade justice. As a result, the US is left with few options - it can sit back and weather attacks or it can go after these guys. The other option - a routine capture that would reduce the number of innocent casualties - is rended ineffective by the local population's willingness to help these guys evade authorities. Quite a few Americans feel that we need to go after these guys and the hardline ones, frustrated by the general population's willingness to help the terrorists, have been losing sympathy for them. ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^] -- modified at 13:55 Sunday 15th January, 2006
It would not surprise me if Al-Zawahri planted false information, to determine who was leaking information to the Pakistani and CIA operatives in the area. HE would not hesitate to slaughter innocents to further his 'cause'. Think about it. > no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask, "Why do they hate us?" Ruin city after city? last time I checked, we just sent 100 BILLION dollars to help rebuild Iraq. Your sampling of the news is pathetic. C. Gilley Will program for food... My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
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Pakistan's foreign ministry has protested to the United States over an airstrike on a remote village near the Afghan border that killed 18 people but apparently missed its target, Osama bin Laden's No. 2 man, Ayman al-Zawahiri. Holy cow! So the air strike was within Pak territory. It's a good thing it was the US that bombed Pak, because if it was any other country, there'd have been war or something over this! Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
because if it was any other country, there'd have been war or something over this!
Better hope that Musharaf maintains power. If he doesn't the successor might want recompense. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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You f***king hypocrite! Disdain for life? Who sent the most aid when the tsunami hit? Who does the world go to when you need some dirty work done for you, you need help? Where are *you* when the Taliban came in and beheaded the local school master because he taught boys and girls how to read and write? Oh, where were you when the AMERICAN SOLDIERS took it upon themselves to send a little baby girl to Atlanta to receive a FREE operation to save her life? You were sitting on your ass whining about how terrible America is. I would urge you to do a couple of things: - first, think. Try and get some balance. - second, try and get more information than from your local political papers (read, just about every big business liberal paper). Where were you when people were jumping out of sky scrapers, choosing a sudden death due to impact rather than be burned alive? Where were you when the suicide bomber drove his car into a crowd of school children? When you bitch, whine and demonstrate against the madmen who started the war, when you shed the same tears for the two missing skyscrapers, the thousands dead, when you weep for the people killed in the subway and bus bombings, then *THEN* I will actually believe you are truly disgusted. You make me sick. C. Gilley Will program for food... My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
Okay, before someone jumps down my throat for my language, I will apologize - I can find more eloquant ways to express myself. However, I want to put some perspective on the anti-American whining that goes on and on and on. I respect your right to whine, I just wish you would be fair about it. One of my older sons is now serving in the war on terror. He may very well be asked to pay the ultimate price for *his* decision to serve. But, he *willingly* chose to go, because he believes, as I do, that there are somethings in this world that are right to do, and there are some people in this world that need protection. And there are some people in this world that need to die. Do I want my son responsible for killing a family? Of course not. But he, like all of us, are dependent on those in authority over us. If you want to see a *real* picture of an American soldier and not the usual tripe that gets blathered by some in this soapbox, go to : http://www.michaelyon-online.com/cart/images/NoFrameLG.jpg This little girl was killed by a murderous bomber in Mosul, Iraq. The American soldiers tried to save her first, before their own ... I want you to *think* a little bit before spouting off with your trite little phrases and quoting imperialist nonsense. If the US was as imperialist as you say, we don't need a terrorist attack to justify taking what you claim we want. Far be it from me to claim the US is perfect. It isn't. I'm going to go breath into a paperbag for a little while.... Peace, truly, peace to all of you C. Gilley Will program for food... My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
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from CNN[^] 18 killed, but al Qaeda No. 2 man apparently not among them LAHORE, Pakistan (CNN) -- Thousands of people turned out in cities across the country Sunday to demonstrate against Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and the United States in the wake of a U.S. airstrike that killed 18 people on Friday General Mush is always tested by his Darling Bush & CO,as its said that the path of love is not so easy at all. asusual this attack went in vain,information was wrong as it was about WMD,i wonder americans are really so idiot that they blindly believe in any info and get ready to strike the place? no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask,"Why do they hate us?"
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This is really sad.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
,i wonder americans are really so idiot that they blindly believe in any info and get ready to strike the place?
While I understand why you're upset, I'm sure they don't believe 'just any info'. It's obvious tho that in chasing an enemy that hides in houses, and shields itself behind women and children, that women and children will die, and not every attack will hit the target it was aiming for.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals
They did not decide on the rules of engagement.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
then americans ask,"Why do they hate us?"
The answer to this question is in part people who blindly believe anti US propoganda, and reject anything that paints the US in a positive light. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
asusual this attack went in vain,information was wrong as it was about WMD,i wonder americans are really so idiot that they blindly believe in any info and get ready to strike the place?
Yeah, I read about this one. It's sad. I don't know the full story, and none of us ever will. But, even if al-Shitface was there, why an airstrike to a civilan place? Why not just send in soldiers? I dunno, something ain't right here.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask,"Why do they hate us?"
Right, we're the only country in the world that attacks places. :| Jeremy Falcon
Air strikes are faster, and with the weapns they use, they are much more capable of the benefit of a surprise visit. The U.S. would not intentionally target a civilian building (I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to review) unless they had reasonable intelligence to suggest that a high-value target was in the building. And for the clueless out there, everyone in that country knows that if they harbor terrorists, they may share the same inevitable fate as said terrorists. So why has this thread gone as far as it has? I thought most of you were smarter than that. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Rohde wrote:
So every country should do what the US says, or be bombed?
What the fuck are you talking about? The terrorists are living in Adnan's country. It is their responsibility to do something about it. It is not a question of doing what the US says it is a question of simple responsibility. If the US allowed terrorist to live in our country who were dedicated to the murder and destruction of Pakistan, Pakistan would have every right to demand we do something about it and do it themselves if we wouldn't or couldn't do it ourselves.
Rohde wrote:
When will you stop?
When countries like Pakistan demonstrate they have the ability to stop people living in their country from going on international murder sprees.
Rohde wrote:
How many do you want dead?
Kiss my ass. I don't want any dead. THe death is not my fault you fucking idiot. It is not the fault of the US. It is the fault of all those who live in these countries who simply will not act to stop this madness. Tell me how in God's name you respond to the level of terrorism these people are capable of without killing innocents? "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan, you're wasting your time. The only thing of any significance to come out of Denmark are chicks with big tits, and fancy pastries. I hear they're really good friends with the French, too. Rhode came up with other significant things - Lego and C++. I think the list is now complete. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -- modified at 5:59 Monday 16th January, 2006
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Air strikes are faster, and with the weapns they use, they are much more capable of the benefit of a surprise visit. The U.S. would not intentionally target a civilian building (I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to review) unless they had reasonable intelligence to suggest that a high-value target was in the building. And for the clueless out there, everyone in that country knows that if they harbor terrorists, they may share the same inevitable fate as said terrorists. So why has this thread gone as far as it has? I thought most of you were smarter than that. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Air strikes also have the advantage of zero "home team" casualties. Putting in ground troops is not only, as you say, slower and less capable of a surprise attack, but it is also a lot riskier in terms of mission success. Bombs can't be ambused, nor t get second thoughts. They just work.
As for the target itself, I have no real opinions. Most likely, the building had or was supposed to harbor aQ members. What's scary though, is that aQ may be spreading disinformation about their whereabouts, assuring deaths of innocent people. It'll strengthen the "US is Satan" perception already present in muslim countries.
I think fighting aQ requires reevaluation of combat techniques. Since I'm not a military strategist, I won't be giving you any advice on what needs to be done. Had air strikes been "teh sh1t", aQ should've been nothing but blood stained gravel by now.
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Stan, you're wasting your time. The only thing of any significance to come out of Denmark are chicks with big tits, and fancy pastries. I hear they're really good friends with the French, too. Rhode came up with other significant things - Lego and C++. I think the list is now complete. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -- modified at 5:59 Monday 16th January, 2006
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It would not surprise me if Al-Zawahri planted false information, to determine who was leaking information to the Pakistani and CIA operatives in the area. HE would not hesitate to slaughter innocents to further his 'cause'. Think about it. > no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask, "Why do they hate us?" Ruin city after city? last time I checked, we just sent 100 BILLION dollars to help rebuild Iraq. Your sampling of the news is pathetic. C. Gilley Will program for food... My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
CharlieG wrote:
Ruin city after city? last time I checked, we just sent 100 BILLION dollars to help rebuild Iraq. Your sampling of the news is pathetic.
Your own could do with some work. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/02/AR2006010200370.html[^] John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
asusual this attack went in vain,information was wrong as it was about WMD,i wonder americans are really so idiot that they blindly believe in any info and get ready to strike the place?
Yeah, I read about this one. It's sad. I don't know the full story, and none of us ever will. But, even if al-Shitface was there, why an airstrike to a civilan place? Why not just send in soldiers? I dunno, something ain't right here.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask,"Why do they hate us?"
Right, we're the only country in the world that attacks places. :| Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Right, we're the only country in the world that attacks places.
No, you're not...But sadly you're near the top of the list. Steve
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Air strikes are faster, and with the weapns they use, they are much more capable of the benefit of a surprise visit. The U.S. would not intentionally target a civilian building (I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to review) unless they had reasonable intelligence to suggest that a high-value target was in the building. And for the clueless out there, everyone in that country knows that if they harbor terrorists, they may share the same inevitable fate as said terrorists. So why has this thread gone as far as it has? I thought most of you were smarter than that. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Are you trying to give us a laugh?if you had read ,i did make a point that some could be done INTENTIALLY Air strikes are faster,but are they precise?whether its GulfWarI or iraq war,americans really MISSED many targets during air strikes and targetted civilian areas,do you want me to make a search on google for you?you may do that yourself for sure,for sake of making my point,i found these two on first page of google 1)Air Strike in Iraq kill family ----------------------------------- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle\_east/4577578.stm 2)Air strike in Afghanistan and civilian casualties --------------------------------------------------- http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian\_deaths.htm http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/afgh-j20.shtml http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0720-09.htm http://www.robincmiller.com/afghan1.htm so how would you hold the claim that these *FASTER* air strikes were precise?these are links which i found in just 2 searches,if i spend 20-30 mins,i would find many similar instances.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
(I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to revie
haha, WTF,yeah they were not stupid ,that was not CIA but aljazeera who gave info that there are WMDs in iraq? make some sense daydreamer,many ppl just don`t watch FOXNEWS,there is a world outside of America as well.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
So why has this thread gone as far as it has? I thought most of you were smarter than that.
yep,many people here are smarter than those idiot americans who believe that BUSH is doing RIGHT for his country people,regarding thread,you guys invaded country after country just for sake of that 9/11 and yet you guys have been whining about it and killed thousands for sake of 5,000 people only and yet blood thirsty.Get a life
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Air strikes also have the advantage of zero "home team" casualties. Putting in ground troops is not only, as you say, slower and less capable of a surprise attack, but it is also a lot riskier in terms of mission success. Bombs can't be ambused, nor t get second thoughts. They just work.
As for the target itself, I have no real opinions. Most likely, the building had or was supposed to harbor aQ members. What's scary though, is that aQ may be spreading disinformation about their whereabouts, assuring deaths of innocent people. It'll strengthen the "US is Satan" perception already present in muslim countries.
I think fighting aQ requires reevaluation of combat techniques. Since I'm not a military strategist, I won't be giving you any advice on what needs to be done. Had air strikes been "teh sh1t", aQ should've been nothing but blood stained gravel by now.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
is that aQ may be spreading disinformation about their whereabouts, assuring deaths of innocent people
i am afraid but so far it has been proved right that most of us plans went in vain due to wrong info,i dont know u r aware or not but condition for US in aafghanistan has been so uncertain and worst that taliban now fool to US soldier, they propagate WRONG info on wireless and satellie phones and when Americans reach there,they find nothing at all,the smartness is that they are full aware of every movement of US armed forces,since they are on height,mountains ,valleys who are similar like normal roads for them.they also use old techniques for message transferring that is pigeons,sometimes they make a fake blast in some area and when americans reach there,they attack from opposite side,old but efficient techniques but i wouldn`t blame taliban here ,its US responsibility to take care of information they recieve,taliban have been making them mentally tired and yet theyare successful. NOT every war could be fought by using conventional weaponary.
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Rohde wrote:
So every country should do what the US says, or be bombed?
What the fuck are you talking about? The terrorists are living in Adnan's country. It is their responsibility to do something about it. It is not a question of doing what the US says it is a question of simple responsibility. If the US allowed terrorist to live in our country who were dedicated to the murder and destruction of Pakistan, Pakistan would have every right to demand we do something about it and do it themselves if we wouldn't or couldn't do it ourselves.
Rohde wrote:
When will you stop?
When countries like Pakistan demonstrate they have the ability to stop people living in their country from going on international murder sprees.
Rohde wrote:
How many do you want dead?
Kiss my ass. I don't want any dead. THe death is not my fault you fucking idiot. It is not the fault of the US. It is the fault of all those who live in these countries who simply will not act to stop this madness. Tell me how in God's name you respond to the level of terrorism these people are capable of without killing innocents? "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan Shannon wrote:
What the f*** are you talking about? The terrorists are living in Adnan's country
are you making a claim that there are terrorists in PAKISTAN or in any muslim country only?
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is their responsibility to do something about it.
NO,we had been leading a really Fcuking Live for long time before invasion of Afghanistan by US and General`s decision to support Bush govt,you guys had really made many locals` life like hell and there is NO doubt about it.
Stan Shannon wrote:
When countries like Pakistan demonstrate they have the ability to stop people living in their country from going on international murder sprees.
Alqeda is a myth same goes for Osama and Co,today Bush is in office coz of Osama ,one shouldn`t forget appearance of Osama before election on tv which aided bush to raise his graph during election campaign, you guys would never get Osama or any of like minded people who are called "Terrorists* by your govt. I challange you stan,even if your country attack on Pakistan or all suspected countries,you will never get the guy and what could be reasons behind it? 1)there was no alqaeda on earth,some terrorists orginzation on paper 2)Osama has dead or has set his invisible mode 3)umm maybe protected by country who wants to use him for fulfilling his own intrests? ;) and there is a word for such people , Traitor,like we had traitor in pasts in india like Meer Jafar and Meer Sadiq who helped Brits to destroy Indian kings of that time, for me Osama or co is not a mujahid but a traitor,in past,I was also thrilled that this osma had got balls to reply US,but as the time passed and i found casualties in afghanistan and iraq,i realized that this is something else. why its like that every other afghanis is getting killed but not two persons like oSama and Aiman Zaharwi?they are NOT EVEN LOCALS like afghanis,how come they are able to save themselves,i read in papers that blah blah of osama was killed,blah blah guard got killed but OSama saved,latest i found that His driver was captured or killed but there was no OSama.. pakistan itself has handled many people to US and frankly speaking,some of them were not terrorists at all,i do remember the story of a doctor who was captured by pakistani officials just coz he used to treat people in afghanistan including talibans,whi
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It would not surprise me if Al-Zawahri planted false information, to determine who was leaking information to the Pakistani and CIA operatives in the area. HE would not hesitate to slaughter innocents to further his 'cause'. Think about it. > no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask, "Why do they hate us?" Ruin city after city? last time I checked, we just sent 100 BILLION dollars to help rebuild Iraq. Your sampling of the news is pathetic. C. Gilley Will program for food... My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.
CharlieG wrote:
Ruin city after city? last time I checked, we just sent 100 BILLION dollars to help rebuild Iraq. Your sampling of the news is pathetic.
how about if i murder your family members and leave just one to burry them and after few months i take responsiblity of your family,how would it be felt?would i be kissed by neighbours that how GENEROUS i`m that first i killed then supporting them? keep your moronic examples yourself
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This is really sad.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
,i wonder americans are really so idiot that they blindly believe in any info and get ready to strike the place?
While I understand why you're upset, I'm sure they don't believe 'just any info'. It's obvious tho that in chasing an enemy that hides in houses, and shields itself behind women and children, that women and children will die, and not every attack will hit the target it was aiming for.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals
They did not decide on the rules of engagement.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
then americans ask,"Why do they hate us?"
The answer to this question is in part people who blindly believe anti US propoganda, and reject anything that paints the US in a positive light. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
While I understand why you're upset, I'm sure they don't believe 'just any info'. It's obvious tho that in chasing an enemy that hides in houses, and shields itself behind women and children, that women and children will die, and not every attack will hit the target it was aiming for.
US strikes were not precise,it has happened in pakistan now,lots of civlilans have been killed in iraq and afghanistan due to such air strikes
Christian Graus wrote:
The answer to this question is in part people who blindly believe anti US propoganda, and reject anything that paints the US in a positive light.
nobody on earth can deny the services of american for mankind and it covers every field of life,i wont go in past,recent inventions by Americans are help for millions, for instance The Internet, Computers,Google etc etc,but it should also keep in mind that who is ruining the image?the US govt or outsiders? its not others mistake,US govt itself has screwed up US image so much that even their latest attempt to improve it for example a little aid for pakistani earth quake victims and tsunami victims is not heping them out, US officials themselves admitted that they all doing for sake of improving uS image in muslim counteries. its wrong perception among americans that muslims or any other anti-us country hate America as a country or its citizens,if someone claims this,hes a fucking hypocrite,when ppl say HATE AMERICA,they refer nothing but US govt and this is the fact.
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from CNN[^] 18 killed, but al Qaeda No. 2 man apparently not among them LAHORE, Pakistan (CNN) -- Thousands of people turned out in cities across the country Sunday to demonstrate against Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and the United States in the wake of a U.S. airstrike that killed 18 people on Friday General Mush is always tested by his Darling Bush & CO,as its said that the path of love is not so easy at all. asusual this attack went in vain,information was wrong as it was about WMD,i wonder americans are really so idiot that they blindly believe in any info and get ready to strike the place? no wonder,they have tendency to ruin city after city for sake of individuals then americans ask,"Why do they hate us?"
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