Protesting Air Strikes
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Air strikes are faster, and with the weapns they use, they are much more capable of the benefit of a surprise visit. The U.S. would not intentionally target a civilian building (I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to review) unless they had reasonable intelligence to suggest that a high-value target was in the building. And for the clueless out there, everyone in that country knows that if they harbor terrorists, they may share the same inevitable fate as said terrorists. So why has this thread gone as far as it has? I thought most of you were smarter than that. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The U.S. would not intentionally target a civilian building (I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to review) unless they had reasonable intelligence to suggest that a high-value target was in the building.
Reminds me of the WMDs they "knew" were in Iraq. History shows us to be careful when citing "reasonable intelligence". Steve
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Are you trying to give us a laugh?if you had read ,i did make a point that some could be done INTENTIALLY Air strikes are faster,but are they precise?whether its GulfWarI or iraq war,americans really MISSED many targets during air strikes and targetted civilian areas,do you want me to make a search on google for you?you may do that yourself for sure,for sake of making my point,i found these two on first page of google 1)Air Strike in Iraq kill family ----------------------------------- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle\_east/4577578.stm 2)Air strike in Afghanistan and civilian casualties --------------------------------------------------- http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian\_deaths.htm http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/afgh-j20.shtml http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0720-09.htm http://www.robincmiller.com/afghan1.htm so how would you hold the claim that these *FASTER* air strikes were precise?these are links which i found in just 2 searches,if i spend 20-30 mins,i would find many similar instances.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
(I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to revie
haha, WTF,yeah they were not stupid ,that was not CIA but aljazeera who gave info that there are WMDs in iraq? make some sense daydreamer,many ppl just don`t watch FOXNEWS,there is a world outside of America as well.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
So why has this thread gone as far as it has? I thought most of you were smarter than that.
yep,many people here are smarter than those idiot americans who believe that BUSH is doing RIGHT for his country people,regarding thread,you guys invaded country after country just for sake of that 9/11 and yet you guys have been whining about it and killed thousands for sake of 5,000 people only and yet blood thirsty.Get a life
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I think you should loosen your towel. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Funny you should say that, seeing as Denmark is one of the few other countries ouside the US and the UK with troops in both Iraq and Afganistan, and likely still sending fresh troops to both locations. Also funny seeing as the danish government backed the US actions in Iraq, and have had terrorist threats towards us for doing so as well. Perhaps the general population doesn't support the actions, and increasing discontent towards it, however, the government in control still does support the US - although they face increasingly preassure due to the actions concerning general disregard for the human rights they so desperately try to portray as wanting to save. Especially after the no-WMD facade, tortures, and bombing of civilians because the "intelligence" agencies sais there might be something there. Many many reports are of terrorists hiding in Saudi Arabia, however - I don't see news of Airstrikes killing off civlians there. Egypt? Come on and pull your head out for once and actually start thinking. Terrorisme is a terrible thing - however - after the Cold War this is how warfare is moving towards. Much should indeed be done to limit it, however, bombing random civlians will not limit it - on the contrary. Such arronge and disregard for other human beings will only add to it. You don't win a war on terrorisme by killing off or alianating your allies. Especially when terrorisme is withouth borders in a global world. No wonder the general population sees the US as arrogant with morons (like some does here) expressing as if they actually knew something of the world, other then the propaganda which would make even the strongest dictatorships jealous. --------------------------- 127.0.0.1 - Sweet 127.0.0.1
Hey, I added Lego and C++ to my list of significant items. I don't understand where all this hostility coems from... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Christian Graus wrote:
While I understand why you're upset, I'm sure they don't believe 'just any info'. It's obvious tho that in chasing an enemy that hides in houses, and shields itself behind women and children, that women and children will die, and not every attack will hit the target it was aiming for.
US strikes were not precise,it has happened in pakistan now,lots of civlilans have been killed in iraq and afghanistan due to such air strikes
Christian Graus wrote:
The answer to this question is in part people who blindly believe anti US propoganda, and reject anything that paints the US in a positive light.
nobody on earth can deny the services of american for mankind and it covers every field of life,i wont go in past,recent inventions by Americans are help for millions, for instance The Internet, Computers,Google etc etc,but it should also keep in mind that who is ruining the image?the US govt or outsiders? its not others mistake,US govt itself has screwed up US image so much that even their latest attempt to improve it for example a little aid for pakistani earth quake victims and tsunami victims is not heping them out, US officials themselves admitted that they all doing for sake of improving uS image in muslim counteries. its wrong perception among americans that muslims or any other anti-us country hate America as a country or its citizens,if someone claims this,hes a fucking hypocrite,when ppl say HATE AMERICA,they refer nothing but US govt and this is the fact.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
its wrong perception among americans that muslims or any other anti-us country hate America as a country or its citizens,if someone claims this,hes a f***ing hypocrite,when ppl say HATE AMERICA,they refer nothing but US govt and this is the fact.
I see now - I thought you were angry, but you're only stupid. Osama (and all of his butt-buddies) even said that the American people were complicit in the actions of their government. If you're gonna spew, at least add a moderate helping of facts... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I think you should loosen your towel. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
its wrong perception among americans that muslims or any other anti-us country hate America as a country or its citizens,if someone claims this,hes a f***ing hypocrite,when ppl say HATE AMERICA,they refer nothing but US govt and this is the fact.
I see now - I thought you were angry, but you're only stupid. Osama (and all of his butt-buddies) even said that the American people were complicit in the actions of their government. If you're gonna spew, at least add a moderate helping of facts... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I see now - I thought you were angry, but you're only stupid. Osama (and all of his butt-buddies) even said that the American people were complicit in the actions of their government. If you're gonna spew, at least add a moderate helping of facts...
did osama screw you in past that his words are so worthy for you?get a life
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I've never felt it was a good idea to make terrorism an issue about a handful of individuals such as Osama. As we saw again in yet another incident, it is virtually impossible to track them down over such vast regions where they enjoy so much support. Yet, while I do not entirely agree with every decision my government makes, I nonetheless support it. For all of its many mistakes, the US has always been a force for good in the world. We still are. I certainly do not believe that President Bush is the best leader we could have wished for to manage this situtation. But regardless of who held that office now, these kinds of mistakes would still be occuring. There is simply no way to avoid them. The future of the Islamic world is entirely up to the people of Islam. But the US is simple no longer going to tolerate the notion that your civilization can blithfully disregard the existence of mass murderers, that it feels free to generate them and spew them around the world. We will deal with that threat in what ever manner we deem most appropriate. The very last thing we should concern ourselves with is who we are making angry and why. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself" -- modified at 7:24 Monday 16th January, 2006
Stan Shannon wrote:
I certainly do not believe that President Bush is the best leader we could have wished for to manage this situtation. But regardless of who held that office now, these kinds of mistakes would still be occuring. There is simply no way to
you guys have fear to see the other part of coin ,thatswhy most of americans including you trust in his words blindly,he dont have charismatic personality that everyone gets fooled by him.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The future of the Islamic world is entirely up to the people of Islam
alas,i wish your words were true,present and past of islamic counteries were in hands of puppets,controlled by US,who looked towards America as they had to seek help from God, i again say that its stupidity to abuse US and ignoring what muslims rulers have done to fuck muslim citzens around the globe,outside can`t do anything unless someone from home help him out and yes many locals(govt ppl) have been helping america since long,these leaders were already supported by US,that is supporting the dictatorship,look at the history of muslim rules around the country and their tenure,recenltly king of kuwait died and he ruled for God damn 21 years,same for UAE,KSA,Oman etc,pakistan dont have kingdom but same agenda is followed that is "Kiss up america",unless ppl get educated,they would keep suffering and americans also know this fact the current generation of muslim extreemist was supported 25 years back at time of USSR war,they have become spoilt brats now they dont listen to others,if they were not given chance to do anything at tht time,we wouldn`t have seen this situation,today`s rascals were darling of USA in past.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Show some sympathy, admit the mistake and move on.
No, I won't do that. The Pakistanis would not need to concern themselves with American mistakes if thier population did not general support the terrorism inflicted upon us. Read Adnan's posts. It is entirely hopeless trying to get through to him. And he, one would assume, is a person of education and intelligence. That part is not our fault at all, and the kind of mistakes made in this instance are inevitable. I have no problem admiting the mistakes the US has made. But I also do not believe in making excuses for the people of the Islamic world. They have a responsibility which they are making no effort at all to fulfil. They are a freer, healthier, more independent people today than they have ever been due primarily to the existence of the US. For all of our mistakes, we have done far more good than harm around the world, including the middle east. It seems we might be forgiven for being a bit less than perfect from time to time. If the first priority of the US is to never make any one angry, than we will simply never be able to defend ourselves. Frankly, I think Pakistan should have been either invaded or largely carpet bombed long ago. In the long run, I see no other way to deal successfully with terrorism than taking out all of its bases of support by direct, brute force. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Read Adnan's posts. It is entirely hopeless trying to get through to him. And he, one would assume, is a person of education and intelligence. That part is not our fault at all, and the kind of mistakes made in this instance are inevitable.
what made you to make such comment about me?would yo like to elaborate??just coz i am not following your theory?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Why not just send in soldiers?
Because Pakistan wouldn't have let them in? Just guessing.
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Air strikes are faster, and with the weapns they use, they are much more capable of the benefit of a surprise visit. The U.S. would not intentionally target a civilian building (I mean c'mon, the US military ain't stupid and they know that everything they do is subject to review) unless they had reasonable intelligence to suggest that a high-value target was in the building. And for the clueless out there, everyone in that country knows that if they harbor terrorists, they may share the same inevitable fate as said terrorists. So why has this thread gone as far as it has? I thought most of you were smarter than that. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
The debate was if the intelligence was accurate and the US acting too quickly. On one hand I agree with you, on the other, look at how we fucked up with Iraq and that reason to go to war. Kinda hard to believe in intelligence right now. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Right, we're the only country in the world that attacks places.
No, you're not...But sadly you're near the top of the list. Steve
Well, right now yeah. It's kinda known that we're trying to "remove terrorists". I'm just having mixed feelings. I don't like it when innocent people die ya know. Jeremy Falcon
