A Visit with the Visual C++ Team

[CodeGuy]

Maybe this link has been on the Lounge already, but I've been offline for about a week. Here it is. Some neat tidbits. CodeGuy The WTL newsgroup: over 1100 members! Be a part of it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wtl

[Paul Watson]

Microsoft quoted some 3rd party studies that say that there are about 3M C++ programmers out there (compared to 5M VB programmers and a whole lot less Java programmers). LOL, any opportunity to diss Java. From a 3rd party survey of VC++ customers, Microsoft found that 90% (!) of them will be doing the same or more VC++ work in the future (about 22 hours/week). They also found that about 75% of VC++ users are MFC programmers (which isn't growing) and 35% of them are ATL programmers (and is growing) Whats the stats like here on CP in re: to ATL and MFC? Cool article CodeGuy. I do like to keep up on what I am missing out on ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront

[CodeGuy]

Paul Watson wrote: LOL, any opportunity to diss Java. Yes, it makes me wonder if they're talking about VJ++ (Virtual Java ... haha) or real Java. I can't believe those stats if they're talking about real Java. CodeGuy The WTL newsgroup: over 1100 members! Be a part of it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wtl

[David Cunningham]

Microsoft quoted some 3rd party studies that say that there are about 3M C++ programmers out there (compared to 5M VB programmers and a whole lot less Java programmers Magic numbers again IMHO. So, Microsoft is the leading vendor of C++ tools, and 75% of Microsoft's customers use MFC. CodeProject welcomes ~300,000 developers a month... It's hard for me to believe that only 15-20% of C++ developers (assuming every CP visitor is a C++ Dev, which they aren't) see value in all the goodies here at CodeProject. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for this to be true, but these #'s just aren't realistic. Maybe I should ask Chris to help me with the math. ;) David http://www.dundas.com

[ColinDavies]

David Cunningham wrote: these #'s just aren't realistic When the link was posted the first time I read the same stats, and my conclusion was similar to yours. I didn't know the ~300,000 CP devs a month, ( how reliable is that figure) If the 3M figure was true, what % would be Students enrolled in IT courses. OR what % of the MS sales are academic type versions. The 5M VB programmers I do find believable, but still high. Regardz Colin J Davies

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[Paul Watson]

David Cunningham wrote: Magic numbers again IMHO. Oh for sure, of that we have no doubt. I am sure everyone does a bit of magic numbering when they need to. David Cunningham wrote: Maybe I should ask Chris to help me with the math He will start with the math and end on the Goddess Sheba and how we are all her belly button fluff. Be warned... ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront

[Paul Watson]

Colin Davies wrote: The 5M VB programmers I do find believable, but still high. *clicks visual Basic icon* *selects Standard EXE* *clicks Open* *Double-clicks Form1* *starts typing*

Private Sub Form_Load()
MsgBox ("Hello World")
End Sub

*presses F5* wOOt! A VB programmer is born... ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront

[David Cunningham]

Colin Davies wrote: I didn't know the ~300,000 CP devs a month, ( how reliable is that figure) Very. David http://www.dundas.com

[Jorgen Sigvardsson]

Naah. That VB programmer will be totally confused when the compiler says "Syntax Error". You used parenthesis in the call to MsgBox which requires you to catch the return value. Strip the ()'s or assign the return value to a variable. Isn't VB lovely? ;)