Style Sports That Should Be Eliminated
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Actually, referees calls fouls and other things in all of the above games (basketball, soccer, volleyball, and baseball). Try to find anything that doesn't rely on human intervention. All olympic events have some sort of human connection that could possibly be flawed. Just my 2 cents... Brigg Thorp Software Engineer Timex Corporation
When was the last time you saw a clock make a judgement call? Speed skating doesn't have any human intervention. Marathons don't. Broad jumping doesn't. Pole vaulting doesn't. Downhill skiing doesn't. (And the list goes on.) "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Figure skating Moguls Free-style Snow-boarding Synchronized swimming Gymnastics (all) Diving Boxing Wrestling None of these sports rely on distance or speed as the determining factor for winning. Basketball Soccer Volleyball Baseball Team sports are based on points scored, but often rely on judgement calls by the referees. Human error, perception, and emotion are introduced by these judgement calls, so team sports are out, too. Did I miss any? "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Actually, referees calls fouls and other things in all of the above games (basketball, soccer, volleyball, and baseball). Try to find anything that doesn't rely on human intervention. All olympic events have some sort of human connection that could possibly be flawed. Just my 2 cents... Brigg Thorp Software Engineer Timex Corporation
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When was the last time you saw a clock make a judgement call? Speed skating doesn't have any human intervention. Marathons don't. Broad jumping doesn't. Pole vaulting doesn't. Downhill skiing doesn't. (And the list goes on.) "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Track sports have officials that make sure everyone is playing by the rules. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
But John does have a point. There is a difference between rules (ie. high jump, you can't knock the bar), and subjective points giving (ie. Diving, why do they need many judges, and each of them give a different score?) The speed/distance criteria have no subjectivness, they are black and white. The rest is grey. But, life is grey and that's usually where the fun is... Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: I disagree with these - both gymanstics and diving show off techincal skills, and points are awarded on how "perfect" the move is executed. Boxing and wrestling are simple 1:1 fights, and the winner is clear But they require a human to judge their technical merit. As such, they are style sports. If the winner isn't judged against the clock or the yardstick, the sport has no business in the Olympics. If they replace the human with a computer, that would be different. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
I believe in the original Olympics, boxing was a sport. Does anyone know if it had a judge? Of course, the original Olympics were eventually stopped because of too much cheating... J
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When was the last time you saw a clock make a judgement call? Speed skating doesn't have any human intervention. Marathons don't. Broad jumping doesn't. Pole vaulting doesn't. Downhill skiing doesn't. (And the list goes on.) "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
If you consider weather conditions, they are not comparable also. With wind from the back you run faster, with more wind even more faster. The judges decide about starting to early, to much wind etc. It is really difficult to come up with a sport based on "pure" meassurement. I am a signature virus! Help me spread and copy me to your sig! Ooops I am infected
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When was the last time you saw a clock make a judgement call? Speed skating doesn't have any human intervention. Marathons don't. Broad jumping doesn't. Pole vaulting doesn't. Downhill skiing doesn't. (And the list goes on.) "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Actually, the clocks in the summer games (the sprint) DO make judgement calls. Not only can a running not start before the opening gun, but he also can't start for a small amount of time AFTER the opening gun, based on the sport committee's idea of what a minimum human reaction time would be. A few Olympics ago, a runner was given a false start (and IIRC, a DQ) because even though he didn't start before the signal, he started too soon after the signal to not have been anticipating it. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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I believe in the original Olympics, boxing was a sport. Does anyone know if it had a judge? Of course, the original Olympics were eventually stopped because of too much cheating... J
Yes, the Box was a olimpic sport. In box you have tree judges, because the olimpic box is an exibition, tree rounds, and if it have not Knok Out, the judge decide who is the winner... Regards... Carlos Antollini. Sonork ID 100.10529 cantollini
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Actually, the clocks in the summer games (the sprint) DO make judgement calls. Not only can a running not start before the opening gun, but he also can't start for a small amount of time AFTER the opening gun, based on the sport committee's idea of what a minimum human reaction time would be. A few Olympics ago, a runner was given a false start (and IIRC, a DQ) because even though he didn't start before the signal, he started too soon after the signal to not have been anticipating it. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Part of a runner's speed is getting off the line faster than the other guy. Besides that, when someone does a false start, the whole field has to reset, so the "judgememnt call" doesn't decide who is fastest, it's to prevent someone from having an unfair advantage. Next argument please. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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But John does have a point. There is a difference between rules (ie. high jump, you can't knock the bar), and subjective points giving (ie. Diving, why do they need many judges, and each of them give a different score?) The speed/distance criteria have no subjectivness, they are black and white. The rest is grey. But, life is grey and that's usually where the fun is... Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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Part of a runner's speed is getting off the line faster than the other guy. Besides that, when someone does a false start, the whole field has to reset, so the "judgememnt call" doesn't decide who is fastest, it's to prevent someone from having an unfair advantage. Next argument please. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
My point is that the "judgement call" of how soon is too soon is a bogus one. Who's to say that someone doesn't have better reflexes than some official thinks is "normal"? It reminds me of some of the anti-cheating measures that people have tried to implement in first-person shooter games. They invariably either don't catch cleverly-made cheating programs that keep themselves just inaccurate enough to pass under the threshold, or else it catches people who really are that good. It really wasn't a refutation of what you said, just pointing out that one "real" event has this level of BS too. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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My point is that the "judgement call" of how soon is too soon is a bogus one. Who's to say that someone doesn't have better reflexes than some official thinks is "normal"? It reminds me of some of the anti-cheating measures that people have tried to implement in first-person shooter games. They invariably either don't catch cleverly-made cheating programs that keep themselves just inaccurate enough to pass under the threshold, or else it catches people who really are that good. It really wasn't a refutation of what you said, just pointing out that one "real" event has this level of BS too. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
If I'm not mistaken, they use infrared light to determine when the plane of the s/f line is broken, so it's not a judgement call. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Figure skating Moguls Free-style Snow-boarding Synchronized swimming Gymnastics (all) Diving Boxing Wrestling None of these sports rely on distance or speed as the determining factor for winning. Basketball Soccer Volleyball Baseball Team sports are based on points scored, but often rely on judgement calls by the referees. Human error, perception, and emotion are introduced by these judgement calls, so team sports are out, too. Did I miss any? "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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