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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Find another job which you like more. Someday later you will get better pay than this.
Maxwell Chen
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Sounds like what happened to me only the pay wasn't as good as you make yours sound. I took my current job as a result and I'm happy now but this is after gaining experience where I was first. If you can handle staying long enough to get some work experience on your resume I would do that but if you've got to go you've got to go. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
You will almost always find that bosses and PMs *lie* in order to protect / expand their area of influence. I noticed this from my very first "dream" job. My manager told me I would be traveling 5-10% of the time, only domestically, and that I could come home on the weekends :) My first week on the job they gave me a ticket to S. Korea, where I spent the next six weeks. It only went down hill from that. It's too bad that people are this way. I would suggest doing some research into starting and running your own business. There are lots of ways to do so without needing outside funding or venture capital. Just make sure you arm yourself with as much knowledge about running a business as you can. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton -- modified at 12:58 Thursday 20th April, 2006
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
If you don't like the job, move! Regards, Nish
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Isaac Sasson wrote:
I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience.
I would have said "no way" too. My suggestion is to stay where you are, do the best job you can possibly do, learn from the other developers, and they'll eventually allow you to move to the dev side. You can't be a paid dev without having experience. View this as an opportunity to build character and integrity. ------- sig starts "Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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If you don't like the job, move! Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!You cannot always do that. What about the bills, the kids? Do not move without another job line up!!! Al PS. Gave you a vote 1 for being careless :-O My eMail control My Blog
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You cannot always do that. What about the bills, the kids? Do not move without another job line up!!! Al PS. Gave you a vote 1 for being careless :-O My eMail control My Blog
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You cannot always do that. What about the bills, the kids? Do not move without another job line up!!!
I said move - I didn't say move right now. It implied that he moves to another job :-)
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Al PS. Gave you a vote 1 for being careless
Blast! It's a rarity that I get a post voted 5 and you had to spoil it, didn't you? :-D Regards, Nish
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Stay where you are and suck as much training / experience out of the company as you can: - If the company offers tuition reimbursement, start your degree. - Take all other training you can. - Learn the business side of what the company does. - Build up a network. - Learn all the tools / technologies the company uses.
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Build up some experience and then look at moving on. The tigress is here :-D
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Definitely stay where you are until you get at least 1 year (preferably 3 years) of experience. And even then only move on when you have found a better position than the one you have. John
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Definitely stay where you are until you get at least 1 year (preferably 3 years) of experience. And even then only move on when you have found a better position than the one you have. John
I ain't gonna be staying there for more than a year and a half anyways. I gotta get my education in University, don't I? Maybe I should work at the beach flipping burgers and watching the honeys at minumum wage and that's it.... Isaac Sasson, DB Investigator
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Isaac Sasson wrote:
So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do?
Decide what matters most to you, listen to that. If you don't like the job sooooo much you can't wait to get the experience, get another job you like better. If you can :rolleyes: suffer :rolleyes: with the money and live until you get enough experience, then move, do that. My first job paid enough to survive, had a lousy boss, lousy work environment (but nice mahogony baseboards and red oak desks with glass tops), everyone was miserable day after day except the boss. I bailed after I used the work experience to change from business accounting to software engineering. I said I would work 4 years at that first job, get the experience and move on to a better one. I was at my first programming job 4.5 years almost to the day. Decide what you are willing to accept, and do it. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
I would say this: Pay more attention to interviews. I've never been on a development interview where 90% of it or more wasn't coding. Ask better questions. This should have come out in the interview. I know you have said you don't have a lot of experience and that's exactly how you wound up in the can you are in. So you can punt and try to get development work and experience. My knowledge of this is that you'll work for next to nothing for a while until you prove you can hang with it. I don't know if I was you I'd stay put and work. I would go to the development department and tell them you want to be in their section. Tell them you want to work after hours on stuff on your own time to learn and that you are willing to put in the extra time to do it.l Welcome to the corporate job-joke. It never gets any better. Lying is bad in big-business, gracefully-misleading is an art that will net you a higher income (that's a shame to). I've been working 100 hour weeks for 4 months for myself but at least I understand the terms of everything I get sucked into and I call the shots. I could walk on a project right now that's gone straight to hell (not my problem) but the way the deal is signed I owe $10,000 to walk which is a small portion of the total project. So I'll stay and see if it gets worse or better. I might walk but again I know the terms. Working for yourself is no picnic in fact it can be very hard at times but compared to working for someone else I'd rather shovel cow-crap into plastic sacks for a living then go back into the corporate environment of cloak-and-dagger.
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
Isaac Sasson wrote:
The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better.
Its a bad idea to do something like this early on (especially on the first day). Other people will assume you are a critic, even though you are right. Once your coworkers get to know you a bit (1 year or so) they will be more inclined to trust your opinion. 60% of statistics are made up on the spot
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Seems like my dream job is not what I expected. The big bad boss emballished the job description - turns out it's not really development but rather implementing a built system. He wanted me to know code for minor adjustments, but coding won't be part of my job. I talked to the boss today about moving to development and he said no way. The real shame is that on my first day on the job some guy (from development department) tought me about their key product. I started asking questions about the algorythm and he exmplained how it worked (even though it's not in my job description). Anyway, I asked why it was desgined this way and suggested a better way. He pondered for a minute and finally admitted my way was better. I don't have any certificate/degree and almost zero experience. I might get another job working in development, but the pay may not be as high. So it's up to this: 1. I don't like the job. 2. It pays well. What to do? Isaac Sasson Unemployed? -- modified at 12:37 Thursday 20th April, 2006
That is pretty common i guess. There was a bit in the news over here a few months ago about how people lie on CV's to get jobs but the truth is you find plenty of employers who lie on job descriptions. Last year i went for an interview for a systems analyst / developer job. From the job description is looked like exactly what i wanted (taking the best bits of what i do now but without the support crap i have to deal with at the moment). I wasnt too surprised when i got an interview because i new i could do it with my eyes shut but i was obviously over the moon. At the interview it very quickly became obvious that the job as advertised simply didnt exist and all it was was another support position (including un-sociable hours) and NONE of that was mentioned in the 3 page job description. I was really pissed off (i had taken my last holiday day to go to the interview) and really let them have it. I thanked them for wasting my time and asked them why they published such a misleading job description (i just left and didnt wait for an answer). It was a permanent position but as far as i know they never filled it so just got a temp to do it. Jon
