Teleporting objects
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I'd rather see a working fusion reactor. They have been predicting that "we will have one in 10 years" for the past 50 years. Besides, how do you plan on powering all of the other gizmos?
Stuart van Weele wrote: Besides, how do you plan on powering all of the other gizmos? Thats what AA batteries are for. Also, we should develop a power source that makes use of zero-point energy. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I'm not breathing, I'm either dead or holding my breath. A fool jabbers, while a wise man listens. But is he so wise to listen to the fool? Please step to the rear of the car and make room for more victims. - John Simmons the Outlaw programmer, 1st Feb 2002, in the lounge
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Roger Allen wrote: How do you beam somebody into a beam splitter? Not only that, but more philosophically, if you are teleported (as in Startrek) is it really *you* popping out on the other end, or just a copy of you, with the original being quite dead. "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis.
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There seem to be a few other issues taht need to be addressed yet before we can do this. How do you beam somebody into a beam splitter? Its nice to see that progress is being made, but I don't think anyone will ever build an operating teleporter beyond electrons/photons and maybe an odd atom. I would rather see efforts into wormhole generation and FTL travel. I want to help colonise a new planet. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I'm not breathing, I'm either dead or holding my breath. A fool jabbers, while a wise man listens. But is he so wise to listen to the fool? Please step to the rear of the car and make room for more victims. - John Simmons the Outlaw programmer, 1st Feb 2002, in the lounge
Two impossible ( unless Uncle Albert was wrong ) things. FTL ( faster than light ) travel is forbidden by special relativity ( and rightly so ) and worm holes require a black hole and probably the existance of another universe. Take a stroll thru a physics book and look what happens to objectc once they go past the event horizon of a black hole. Those little suckers are bad boys Richard If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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Two impossible ( unless Uncle Albert was wrong ) things. FTL ( faster than light ) travel is forbidden by special relativity ( and rightly so ) and worm holes require a black hole and probably the existance of another universe. Take a stroll thru a physics book and look what happens to objectc once they go past the event horizon of a black hole. Those little suckers are bad boys Richard If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
I won't be so sure about it. I'm not a physics expert, but I seem to remember that the same uncle Albert noticed about the spin anomaly, and couldn't figure out a solution. Theories really predict that a spin change on the particle A will change instantly the spin of the linked particle B. How, that's another problem! :) The Keejay (Luca Leonardo Scorcia) vrkeejay@hotmail.com http://zip.to/kojak (only in Italian)
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Roger Allen wrote: How do you beam somebody into a beam splitter? Not only that, but more philosophically, if you are teleported (as in Startrek) is it really *you* popping out on the other end, or just a copy of you, with the original being quite dead. "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis.
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Roger Allen wrote: How do you beam somebody into a beam splitter? Not only that, but more philosophically, if you are teleported (as in Startrek) is it really *you* popping out on the other end, or just a copy of you, with the original being quite dead. "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis.
What would creationist people say if I was to build a working teleportation machine and teleport myself from England to Austraylier and back? I would be ending my life and then creating another one and occuping it again. I'd *love* to see the arguments about that one. The only possible conclusion (if they truely believe in a creator) would be that I am god, hence I can claim my rightfull throne! Now, where did I put that copy of Physics for Dummies? :-D ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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I try to teleport something everyday. However, by the time they get to where they're going, they're all brown and smell bad. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
I don't want to know.. Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen
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Two impossible ( unless Uncle Albert was wrong ) things. FTL ( faster than light ) travel is forbidden by special relativity ( and rightly so ) and worm holes require a black hole and probably the existance of another universe. Take a stroll thru a physics book and look what happens to objectc once they go past the event horizon of a black hole. Those little suckers are bad boys Richard If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
I'm pretty sure that scientists have been researching tachyons, which travel faster than light, yet they cannot go any slower, only up to infinity. It's a difficult concept to proove. Simon It's one for you, nineteen for me Sonork ID 100.10024
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Came across an interesting article today which talks about how scientists are able to transport small objects: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991888
a) The "Beam splitter" takes care of the spin only. The particles must be identical before the beam splitter works - all other states must be identical. This is relatively easy when you make the thingies real cold (Canadian winter is not enough). But don't try this at home, kids. b) you need an identical copy to work on. Now that's relatively easy, there isn't much diversity of diversities in photons; but no, a genetic clone will not suffice. c) the two copies must be braught together extremely close, then, they decide if the fly into the same, or into different directions. Now, al the thingie does is correlate the spin of the particles, and keep it correlated even when the particles are far away from each other. d) we're still taking of bits and bytes, not full fledged CTable classes. Talking about "Beaming" gets them the money to do the research, so it's only fair. However, it more sounds like the real High Speed Internet (transmission of information). The difference beetween "Beam me up scotty" and "Get High speed Internet access" is, again, in a tiny small word: quot>> The possibility that you can teleport not just quantum states of photons, but also of more massive particles.... <<
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Two impossible ( unless Uncle Albert was wrong ) things. FTL ( faster than light ) travel is forbidden by special relativity ( and rightly so ) and worm holes require a black hole and probably the existance of another universe. Take a stroll thru a physics book and look what happens to objectc once they go past the event horizon of a black hole. Those little suckers are bad boys Richard If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
There have been theories proposed that could move things FTL (or back in time) and not violate relativity. However the conditions are a bit extreme and would require LOTS of energy.
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Stuart van Weele wrote: Besides, how do you plan on powering all of the other gizmos? Thats what AA batteries are for. Also, we should develop a power source that makes use of zero-point energy. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I'm not breathing, I'm either dead or holding my breath. A fool jabbers, while a wise man listens. But is he so wise to listen to the fool? Please step to the rear of the car and make room for more victims. - John Simmons the Outlaw programmer, 1st Feb 2002, in the lounge
Zero-point enery? You mean the quantum background noise in free space? Somehow I think the 2nd law of thermo would disallow that.
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I'm pretty sure that scientists have been researching tachyons, which travel faster than light, yet they cannot go any slower, only up to infinity. It's a difficult concept to proove. Simon It's one for you, nineteen for me Sonork ID 100.10024
In thought experiments only. A tachyon, if there is such an animal , would not be able to exist in this universe, nor would we ever be able to verify their existance as they would always be in our future space as determined by the famous light cone demonstration Richard If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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There have been theories proposed that could move things FTL (or back in time) and not violate relativity. However the conditions are a bit extreme and would require LOTS of energy.
And there has been theories proposed that man is only 10000 years old. Any one can propose a theory. Proving it however is another thing. To travel faster than light we would violate several important features of realitivity including the mass/energy relationship e=m(c*c)and the time dialation principle. Since space and time are bound together the idea of traving backwards in time ( or in other words reversing entrophy ) is by observation proven to lie in the same mathamatical area as the square root of a negative number. It is an abstract object or in terms of C++ a pure virtual function. In other words it does not exist. Richard PS: But hey if AE was wrong all bets are off If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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I try to teleport something everyday. However, by the time they get to where they're going, they're all brown and smell bad. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John You possess an astounding aptitude to vocally render something in as nauseating and revolting a manner as is literally possible. But I must say, it’s a gift, and a very useful one when you are trying to insult someone. Next time I want to say something to my Project Manager, perhaps you can give me some pointers. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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What would creationist people say if I was to build a working teleportation machine and teleport myself from England to Austraylier and back? I would be ending my life and then creating another one and occuping it again. I'd *love* to see the arguments about that one. The only possible conclusion (if they truely believe in a creator) would be that I am god, hence I can claim my rightfull throne! Now, where did I put that copy of Physics for Dummies? :-D ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
David Wulff wrote: What would creationist people say if I was to build a working teleportation machine and teleport myself from England to Austraylier and back The christians would start calling you Jesus thinking he's come back. The muslims might call you Mohammed or Osama depending on where you are. The chinese buddhists might call you Gauthama and in india some people would call you the reincarnation of Krishna or Shiva. But a lot of others would call you a fake magician bastard trying to be the next Sai Baba. Overall, you'd be a big success in the god market. And CP would become famous and Bob too. If you are god, then Bob would be a god thing too. A bit like Moses. Maybe they'd start calling him Moses. That might upset him enough to return to Saturn :-) Which we dont want. So you better stop playing god David, before someone gets hurt. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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What would creationist people say if I was to build a working teleportation machine and teleport myself from England to Austraylier and back? I would be ending my life and then creating another one and occuping it again. I'd *love* to see the arguments about that one. The only possible conclusion (if they truely believe in a creator) would be that I am god, hence I can claim my rightfull throne! Now, where did I put that copy of Physics for Dummies? :-D ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
The only possible conclusion (if they truely believe in a creator) would be that I am god, hence I can claim my rightfull throne! How does that follow? :confused: You would be using the laws of physics to change the organization of atoms. Creating the laws of physics and the matter on which they operate is completely different from using those laws to move existing stuff around. Technically, organizing molecules into life is done everytime people concieve a child. We certainly don't assume that they are God because of that. ;P John
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The only possible conclusion (if they truely believe in a creator) would be that I am god, hence I can claim my rightfull throne! How does that follow? :confused: You would be using the laws of physics to change the organization of atoms. Creating the laws of physics and the matter on which they operate is completely different from using those laws to move existing stuff around. Technically, organizing molecules into life is done everytime people concieve a child. We certainly don't assume that they are God because of that. ;P John
John Fisher wrote: How does that follow? Very easily actually... John Fisher wrote: Technically, organizing molecules into life is done everytime people concieve a child. We certainly don't assume that they are God because of that. The giving of life is something that is associated very heavily with god for religious people. God is responsible for giving life and for taking it. I would, in effect, be taking my life and then creating it again. But not only that, I would spiritually be alive between the two (there would always be a time difference, no matter how large or small), and as I was not in any one place and I cannot exist in nothingness, I would be everywhere at once. Like god is. Hence, I would be god. That and it would look so cool on my credit card. "Yeah, just charge this on the platinum one will you." "Please sign here, Mr., Oh God. Oh please forgive me my sins oh lord, here, take all my money and distribute it to the poor." How else could I afford the repayments on my new hunting grounds; America... Now I am just going over the top. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves" - August Strindberg
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Roger Allen wrote: How do you beam somebody into a beam splitter? Not only that, but more philosophically, if you are teleported (as in Startrek) is it really *you* popping out on the other end, or just a copy of you, with the original being quite dead. "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis.
Stan Shannon wrote: Not only that, but more philosophically, if you are teleported (as in Startrek) is it really *you* popping out on the other end, or just a copy of you, with the original being quite dead. Or what if your hand or foot or something else is left behind eh? Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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And there has been theories proposed that man is only 10000 years old. Any one can propose a theory. Proving it however is another thing. To travel faster than light we would violate several important features of realitivity including the mass/energy relationship e=m(c*c)and the time dialation principle. Since space and time are bound together the idea of traving backwards in time ( or in other words reversing entrophy ) is by observation proven to lie in the same mathamatical area as the square root of a negative number. It is an abstract object or in terms of C++ a pure virtual function. In other words it does not exist. Richard PS: But hey if AE was wrong all bets are off If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
No, I'm not talking about wacko physics here, I'm talking about things published in refereed journals such as Nature (not that is prevents it from being less BS). As I remember, the jist was that there were potential ways to travel FTL from a relatistic standpoint, however other constraints made FTL travel impossible (so far as we know). BTW, it appears that light can sometimes be made to travel FTL (c). There was an experiment a year or two that recorded an electromagnetic pulse traveling significantly above c in a chamber filled with a metal in vapor state. This work was done at Princeton by reputable people, so it's unlikely to be flim-flam.
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Two impossible ( unless Uncle Albert was wrong ) things. FTL ( faster than light ) travel is forbidden by special relativity ( and rightly so ) and worm holes require a black hole and probably the existance of another universe. Take a stroll thru a physics book and look what happens to objectc once they go past the event horizon of a black hole. Those little suckers are bad boys Richard If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
Richard Stringer wrote: Two impossible ( unless Uncle Albert was wrong ) I am constantly amazed that even intelligent people such as us do not learn from history. Specifically the age old saying of "never say never" or "nothing is impossible." Uncle Albert could be wrong. Or he may not be wrong but someone may find a way to work around his theory and produce FTL. There are no absolutes except the absolute that there are no absolutes. I can't stand it when people say "oh, that is impossible", no matter what proof they have. Rather say "currently, with our limited knowledge of the universe, we believe it cannot be done, but maybe sometime in the future, it will be found to be possible." People believed breaking the sound barrier was impossible at one point in time. Now John breaks the sound barrier each and every day, twice a day. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
