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  • E El Corazon

    which is what makes it a work of fiction. Again you are trying to say "based on" means all is facts the exact same assumption of the people you are complaining about. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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    I know the difference between "based on" and "factual", Jeffry. In the novel, which you claim to not have read, Mr. Brown states that the artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate. How is that to be misconstrued? In fact, not one ranking scholar has come forward to support Mr. Brown's history book. That, in and of itself, says a lot.


    "Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain

    "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave." - Native American Proverb

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      I know the difference between "based on" and "factual", Jeffry. In the novel, which you claim to not have read, Mr. Brown states that the artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate. How is that to be misconstrued? In fact, not one ranking scholar has come forward to support Mr. Brown's history book. That, in and of itself, says a lot.


      "Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain

      "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave." - Native American Proverb

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      DavidCrow wrote:

      that the artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

      I interpret it the same way I interpret hard science fiction, which also claims to be "accurate" as far as fiction as in "possible with current knowledge" but when one does not know something, it is still fiction. Accurate does not necessarily mean factual, it means projected from known concepts through known means, at least in fiction. A historical fiction can be accurate, but still be fiction in that the clothing is correct, the dates are correct the time and place is correct and the entire plot and characters are physically possible, but completely fictional. Accurate fiction is a constant argument. I suggest you take a look at the arguments with hard-science fiction authors as to the accurate portrayal of the future and the arguments for and against them. Getting your dates and settings right is accurate, making up a name that is period correct is accurate, putting him in a situation that is period correct is accurate, but all of that is still fiction. Historical or future, you can be accurate without being completely factual. I guess I am accustomed to the arguments being from the hard science fiction area. I still don't see a big deal. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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        I know the difference between "based on" and "factual", Jeffry. In the novel, which you claim to not have read, Mr. Brown states that the artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate. How is that to be misconstrued? In fact, not one ranking scholar has come forward to support Mr. Brown's history book. That, in and of itself, says a lot.


        "Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain

        "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave." - Native American Proverb

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        in this novel are accurate. How is that to be misconstrued?

        any road map you find in the store is "accurate" but if it is flat, it is not reality/factual. Any globe you find may be "accurate" but if it is spherical it is not reality/factual. At the store a food item may have "less sugar" but may have more calories, the information is accurate but misleading. "Accurate" simply means you dotted your "i's" and crossed your "t's" it has no other meaning. "accurate" is one of the most misleading terms used in politics, fiction, life in general. In my work people represent the earth as a flat object, their representation is completely accurate. There are others who represent the earth as a perfect sphere, their representation is completely accurate. NASA uses an ellipsoidal representation with offset gravitational vectors, their representation is also accurate. How can all three representations be accurate? easily, because none of them are factual. Accuracy implies accuracy to what. Without a qualification, it implies only within a reasonable understanding or interpretation, no more, no less. A flat map will be accurate under 1meter within 100km of its origin. A spherical representation of the entire earth is accurate to within 250 meters everywhere on the earth. If your needs require no more accuracy, then it is a completely accurate representation, even in locations where it is 1/4 of a kilometer off. Which is where you get into "more accurate" if accuracy meant completely factual and 100% true, then how could you get something that is more perfect? Each representation is more accurate to the next. And is the reason why airports rely on local navigation beacons rather than innaccurate map "representations" because for landing requirements no map is accurate enough. The need for accuracy in some areas and less in others allows all representations to be used and all representations are accurate and industry standard and approved for government and inter-government use, including, and especially the flat earth represention which conveniently fits better in a book, a computer screen or a piece of paper. Next time you want a road map for your location, ask for the pop-up edition based WGS-84 international gravitational models. But it's accuracy is still only under 1 meter for the whole earth. A flat map, in one local area, is still more accurate, it simply looses its accuracy as a function of distance from the projection point. So even wi

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          For crying out loud, IT'S A NOVEL!

          I understand that, but Mr. Brown makes the statement that his novel is based on facts. It's just that his 'facts' cannot be substantiated by anyone. Therein lies the difference.


          "Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain

          "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave." - Native American Proverb

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          DavidCrow wrote:

          Mr. Brown makes the statement that his novel is based on facts.

          Exactly. Based on. If there are two true things in the novel and the rest is fiction then it can be said to be "based on facts". Chill out about it, believers will believe regardless of how mad religion is shown to be, unbelievers wouldn't believe even if god appeared and told them the winning lottery numbers.

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