The Purpose-Driven Life-Takers
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David Wulff wrote:
Still, I will let you off because I know that they don't teach irony in schools on your side of the pond so it is probably a foreign concept to you.
I'm not defending the guy this is directed to, rather I'm taking issue with the poke at the educational system. I was educated in both the European and North American systems. From personal experience I can say that Europe's system of education is no better or worse than that across the pond. And yes, they both teach irony.
thealj wrote:
And yes, they both teach irony.
I guess while being educated in Europe you must have missed the class that covered taking the piss.
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David Wulff wrote:
Interesting how people like you can't tell your arse from your elbow.
Ouch :(( MOΛΩN ΛABE
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thealj wrote:
That's easy to answer. It's all open to subjective interpretation. How you view it is completely different than, say, how they view it. This is a classic conundrum with all philosophical ideologies.
I've yet to see one person who can back up the idea of violence in the name of Christ, or pre-emptive war for that matter, using the New Testament. The best they can do is fudge and quote out of context, and then turn to Augustine's "Just War Theory".
J. Dunlap wrote:
I've yet to see one person who can back up the idea of violence in the name of Christ, or pre-emptive war for that matter, using the New Testament. The best they can do is fudge and quote out of context, and then turn to Augustine's "Just War Theory".
Well, if you accept that the origins of the new testament can be dated prior to 200 AD, then Urban II during his speech at the Council of Clermont comes to mind. Of course I condemn any type of violence in the name of religion or otherwise. Furthermore, I also agree with you that the New testament is intended to be a book that illustrates the benefits of peace. However, even when the bible is quoted out of context some people will always remain receptive to distorted ideologies.
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion.
Dave was being sarcastic - he was implying that this is what people do when a minority of Muslims commit some crazy act. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Yeah, but this wasn't an act. It's a video game that seems on par with Grand Theft Auto. I think Score 1 recognized David's attempt at irony and attacked it for drawing moral equivalence between bombing a bus and making a video violent game.
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thealj wrote:
And yes, they both teach irony.
I guess while being educated in Europe you must have missed the class that covered taking the piss.
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"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconDavid Wulff wrote:
I guess while being educated in Europe you must have missed the class that covered taking the piss.
Indeed I did! How could you possibly imagine the Swiss teaching such "unclean" concepts??!!? Why, that "privilege" is reserved for Englishmen! ;P
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Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion. When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people? MOΛΩN ΛABE
You blamed all muslims, not the individuals doing this. The tigress is here :-D
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At least it is just fake violence on a video game, and not real violence like what they do in the Religion of Peace. MOΛΩN ΛABE
It makes hate crime acceptable. Look up the figures for yourself. The tigress is here :-D
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It makes hate crime acceptable. Look up the figures for yourself. The tigress is here :-D
Like Grand Theft Auto?
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Left Behind: Eternal Forces[^] Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life. Sickening! X| How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace?? :mad: I know the answer but I am still incredulous, even though I have known for some time that there are 'Christians' who think like that.
J. Dunlap wrote:
to convert or kill Catholics,
:confused: Aren't they Christians too? At a close look, no one is normal.
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It makes hate crime acceptable. Look up the figures for yourself. The tigress is here :-D
The term "Hate Crime" really pisses me off. How can you make hate a crime if there is freedom of speech? And if the said "Hate Crime" involves violence, why bring the term "hate" into it, it as an assault or murder, not a "hate crime". MOΛΩN ΛABE
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J. Dunlap wrote:
to convert or kill Catholics,
:confused: Aren't they Christians too? At a close look, no one is normal.
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Like Grand Theft Auto?
espeir wrote:
Like Grand Theft Auto?
No, that cant be hate crime when black gangs are violent towards white people. They are only in gangs because they are opressed and looked down on by the white people. :rolleyes: MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion. When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people? MOΛΩN ΛABE
In addition, to answer the question you added to your original reply:
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb
Off the top of my head that would have to be in 1998, when a car bomb was detonated in Omagh, County Tyrone, on a busy Saturday afternoon. The bomb was placed by a bunch of Catholic extremists involved with the 'Real IRA'. I can still vividly remember the scenes. 29 people died, 100s were injured. They may not have succeeded in flying planes into buildings, but they did quite well at firing mortars into civilian airports. In the early nineties the Provisional IRA even managed to take sucide bombs to the next level, by kidnapping people and forcing them to drive bombs into military targets - or have their families slaughtered in front of them. Even the majority of their brothers-in-arms where disgusted with that tactic.
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David Wulff wrote:
I guess while being educated in Europe you must have missed the class that covered taking the piss.
Indeed I did! How could you possibly imagine the Swiss teaching such "unclean" concepts??!!? Why, that "privilege" is reserved for Englishmen! ;P
We learnt it from the French. Aren't they your neighbours?
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The term "Hate Crime" really pisses me off. How can you make hate a crime if there is freedom of speech? And if the said "Hate Crime" involves violence, why bring the term "hate" into it, it as an assault or murder, not a "hate crime". MOΛΩN ΛABE
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
The term "Hate Crime" really pisses me off. How can you make hate a crime if there is freedom of speech
Becase "hate" is the adjective that describes what type of "crime" it was. It's descriptive of a certain action and not related to the idea of freedom of speech.
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
And if the said "Hate Crime" involves violence, why bring the term "hate" into it, it as an assault or murder, not a "hate crime".
Because of the motivation of the action. While in some cases it could certainly be referred to as "assault" or the various degrees of murder, or what-have-you; additional court-sanctioned punishments come into effect if the prosecution can demonstrate that race was an issue in the course of crime that was comitted. It's perfectly applicable in a legal sense. If someone has the right to free speech and to be able to say what they want about others, than others should certainly have the ability to exist freely regardless of what colour or culture they belong to. Call it freedom of existence if you want.
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In addition, to answer the question you added to your original reply:
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb
Off the top of my head that would have to be in 1998, when a car bomb was detonated in Omagh, County Tyrone, on a busy Saturday afternoon. The bomb was placed by a bunch of Catholic extremists involved with the 'Real IRA'. I can still vividly remember the scenes. 29 people died, 100s were injured. They may not have succeeded in flying planes into buildings, but they did quite well at firing mortars into civilian airports. In the early nineties the Provisional IRA even managed to take sucide bombs to the next level, by kidnapping people and forcing them to drive bombs into military targets - or have their families slaughtered in front of them. Even the majority of their brothers-in-arms where disgusted with that tactic.
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"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconSo it's been 8 years since an isolated incident by Christians that is condemned by Christians everywhere? Hmmmmm...If only Muslims could go 8 days. Perhaps it would help if their religion didn't officially endorse bombings, too. But seriously...Making a video game is totally equivalent to killing thousands. I totally agree with that.
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
The term "Hate Crime" really pisses me off. How can you make hate a crime if there is freedom of speech
Becase "hate" is the adjective that describes what type of "crime" it was. It's descriptive of a certain action and not related to the idea of freedom of speech.
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
And if the said "Hate Crime" involves violence, why bring the term "hate" into it, it as an assault or murder, not a "hate crime".
Because of the motivation of the action. While in some cases it could certainly be referred to as "assault" or the various degrees of murder, or what-have-you; additional court-sanctioned punishments come into effect if the prosecution can demonstrate that race was an issue in the course of crime that was comitted. It's perfectly applicable in a legal sense. If someone has the right to free speech and to be able to say what they want about others, than others should certainly have the ability to exist freely regardless of what colour or culture they belong to. Call it freedom of existence if you want.
thealj wrote:
Becase "hate" is the adjective that describes what type of "crime" it was. It's descriptive of a certain action and not related to the idea of freedom of speech.
Actually that's wrong. Hate crimes are determined based on the motivation (i.e. the thought process behind it...i.e. free speech), not the nature of the crime.
thealj wrote:
It's perfectly applicable in a legal sense. If someone has the right to free speech and to be able to say what they want about others, than others should certainly have the ability to exist freely regardless of what colour or culture they belong to. Call it freedom of existence if you want.
Why isn't that freedom applied equally? Why do some have a greater degree of "freedom of existence"?
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We learnt it from the French. Aren't they your neighbours?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler | Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconDavid Wulff wrote:
We learnt it from the French. Aren't they your neighbours?
Hmmm, it would seem so! I can't seem to escape them! They were in Canada, and now they're here too! No wonder you've chosen to isolate yourself on that wonderful (French-free) island of Britain! Keeps the French at a distance I can see now... Too bad they got all the good vinyard lands...
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So it's been 8 years since an isolated incident by Christians that is condemned by Christians everywhere? Hmmmmm...If only Muslims could go 8 days. Perhaps it would help if their religion didn't officially endorse bombings, too. But seriously...Making a video game is totally equivalent to killing thousands. I totally agree with that.
espeir wrote:
But seriously...Making a video game is totally equivalent to killing thousands. I totally agree with that.
That is not the thread being followed here, this is all under and directly in reponse to Pumpkin's remark.
espeir wrote:
So it's been 8 years since an isolated incident by Christians that is condemned by Christians everywhere
How is it isolated? The IRA detonated many, many bombs at civilian targets -- let alone the militart ones. I can recall four just from the last decade, and those are just the ones that got the TV coverage. To bring '8 years' in line with Pumpkin's comments, it is really only three years between that and planes being crashed into American cities.
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thealj wrote:
Becase "hate" is the adjective that describes what type of "crime" it was. It's descriptive of a certain action and not related to the idea of freedom of speech.
Actually that's wrong. Hate crimes are determined based on the motivation (i.e. the thought process behind it...i.e. free speech), not the nature of the crime.
thealj wrote:
It's perfectly applicable in a legal sense. If someone has the right to free speech and to be able to say what they want about others, than others should certainly have the ability to exist freely regardless of what colour or culture they belong to. Call it freedom of existence if you want.
Why isn't that freedom applied equally? Why do some have a greater degree of "freedom of existence"?
espeir wrote:
Hate crimes are determined based on the motivation
I know. I said that in my previous post.
espeir wrote:
Why isn't that freedom applied equally? Why do some have a greater degree of "freedom of existence"?
Where is it not applied equally here? Who is it that are you implying has greater freedom of existence?