All the Vista Bashing

Lost User

Hear, hear! Amen! Can I get a "Hallelujah"! My dilemma: Since a lightning strike toasted my main home PC (midway through my annual Linux trial) I'll be rebuilding from the ground up very soon. What OS do I choose? I've decided that even a spanking new Linux distro (SUSE 10.1) still isn't ready for my desktop needs. I have a choice between W2K Pro and XP Pro. Decisions, decisions. "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull

realJSOP

Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

I know your car's powerful, but it looks damn good too.

I don't see the connection with Vista (neither powerful nor attractive).

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realJSOP

Crap is still crap - it doesn't matter what stage of its existance we're talking about...

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realJSOP

You're from Brazil - what do you know?

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Shog9 0

David Stone wrote:

How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time?

Not i. I'm a huge sucker for eye candy, there's no way i could be objective if i actually installed it. Ohyeah, and i'm still waiting on a new machine. I suppose that could have something to do with it as well. :rolleyes:

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Christopher Duncan

Ah, the trusty Vette is an excellent case in point. I drive a 2004, which is the last year of the C5 series. When the C6 came out, I took it for a spin, seriously considering the upgrade. It had another 50 horsepower, but at this level you can't really feel that. Other than that, the selling features were eye candy. A new look (okay, but not compelling), and the addition of the touch screen interface for control of heating & a/c, OnStar, etc. In fact, the computer screen stuff is one of the new whiz bang things they really hype about the new model. To me, it's a downgrade. Why? I have a heads up display, and I can control my radio, heating & a/c, and everything else by feel without having to take my eyes off the road (handy when a curb is fast approaching at 58 mph :rolleyes:) When the computer screen boots on the C6, it first displays a blue "Please don't sue us" screen telling you not to operate it when the car is moving. Why? Because you can't do it by feel, you have to take your eyes off the road. (And this, by the way, controls your air conditioning in the summer.) So, other than the ego of having the latest & greatest, there are no compelling new features in the C6 beyond eye candy. Consequently, I didn't upgrade. Same principles. :-D And yeah, the C5 does look cool. :cool: However, I don't drive it to impress people. I drive it because it's big fun. :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

Nish Nishant

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

I don't see the connection with Vista (neither powerful nor attractive).

Based on the screenshots I saw, I wouldn't say it's particularly attractive either, but everyone's who's got the Aero theme working says, it sorta starts looking good after a few minutes, and then you start to like it. Gotta try it one day I guess. Regards, Nish

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Christopher Duncan

When I was coding, I was a MS guy. Not because of "brand loyalty", but because that's where the gigs were. Macs are cool, but there isn't much work for them. You guys might be right about :baaaa!: jumping on bandwagons, but I ain't one of them. I'm quite capable of doing my own thinking. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

Chris Meech

Mike Mullikin wrote:

Since a lightning strike toasted my main home PC (midway through my annual Linux trial) I'll be

Man, if that ain't a sign from God, I don't know what is. :) Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] The America I believe in has always understood that natural harmony is only one meal away from monkey burgers. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Bean counters, as the Australian Taxation Office said that prostitutes and strippers could claim tax deductions for adult toys and sexy lingerie. [Associated Press]

Michael A Barnhart

Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

So when you buy cars, eye candy is a good enough reason

Um I am driving an all white 1997 Toyota Tacoma. Ok, I did splurg for the FM radio. It gets me from point a to point b. ;P "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

Jim Crafton

As a general rule, I'd agree with you, but if someone puts a signifgantly stupid feature (or set of features) in a software product, then why not call them on it? Especially since it's a beta, where there's still a chance the goofy/stupid feature has a chance of getting fixed. In addition Microsoft is in a special place. They have vast financial and human resources. There's an expectation that if you hype your software as being the greatest thing since the wheel, that you had better damn well deliver, especially if you're a company like Microsoft where they have all the tools and people and expertise to do so. And when you see a whole slew of really silly, goofy UI glitches then I think it's perfectly fair for people to come down hard on them. While I haven't used Vista yet, I have been reading reviews of it for quite a while on Paul Thurrot's site, and some of the points he brings up are not pretty. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!

Chris Meech

LOL. And you got one'd for it too. :cool: Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] The America I believe in has always understood that natural harmony is only one meal away from monkey burgers. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Bean counters, as the Australian Taxation Office said that prostitutes and strippers could claim tax deductions for adult toys and sexy lingerie. [Associated Press]

code frog 0

That's a very *ME* centered view. You assume that you have all the answers on what an O.S. should have then right? We should come to you or better yet Microsoft should come to CP for it's feature list? Do you think they just pluck these ideas out of the air or do you think their vast cash and human resources might have arrived at the list of features using some other means? I mean seriously, do you think they want to implement "stupid" features? - Rex

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Shog9 0

code-frog wrote:

People don't understand that they have a choice.

Sure i do. I choose to whine about something that - from my perspective - is unnecessary, and will likely make my life harder. Think about it - if we're starting out with 5 versions, then by the time we throw in a couple of service packs, browser upgrades, .NET versions, and the server additions, we're gonna be looking at a really confusing pile of slightly different installations. For what it's worth, i whined about the XP server-based authentication deal when it came out, and i stand by my opinion that it's annoying, painful, and benefits no-one but Microsoft. I like other things in XP, but that doesn't mean i need to forgive the stuff i hate.

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Judah Gabriel Himango

Why do you think Vista is crap, John? I've found it far better than XP or 2k. The account protection needs work, yeah, but generally I've found Vista to be a huge improvement over what we've got now.

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Marc Clifton

David Stone wrote:

How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time?

I think a lot of the issue is how Microsoft is positioning it and marketing it, not necessarily with the actual mechanics of using it. And frankly, I haven't heard one compelling reason from Microsoft, which is sad, no, pathetic. All I hear is about advertising experience, Aero Glass, and multimedia stuff. If I'm to say to my client, this is the operating system we should be targetting for our software, they're going to want to know why. What am I going to say? Because you and your entire customer base will need to spend thousands of dollars to upgrade your hardware so you can get a less "antiquated" experience? So, tell me why. Microsoft sure isn't. [edit]So, tried to delete a desktop shortcut of a system installed app yet? :laugh: [/edit] Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson -- modified at 15:21 Friday 2nd June, 2006

Lost User

code-frog wrote:

Don't install it if you are going to bash stuff that's "In Beta"

Here I thought the entire point of Beta software was to get feedback from users... :rolleyes: "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull

Michael A Barnhart

Christopher Duncan wrote:

no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy.

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Christopher Duncan wrote:

as will my word processor, spreadsheet, database, business accounting program, web browser and email.

YUP, but the new graphics may/will have enhanced options for the hackers.

Christopher Duncan wrote:

I will, ultimately, have to upgrade for the same reason that my studio runs XP - because some yahoo of a programmer will require me to do so.

Or that game your son paid a months salary on will only run on it. :) (Oh yes that is the programmer you mentioned. :doh: ) "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

Christopher Duncan

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Christopher Duncan

W2K Pro, without a doubt. XP brings nothing of any significance to the party. And if your W2K crashes, you don't have to do the activation dance. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!