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  • D David Stone

    How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

    And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
    We have yet to recover from the shock.

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    David Stone wrote:

    So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO.

    Now, what would be Super Extremely Ultra Nice would be a way to change the extension of a whole bunch of files in one go, without changing the other parts of the name. You know, the sort of thing you can do easily from a decent command line, but probably can't remember the syntax for since you only need to do it once every few months.

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    • C Christopher Duncan

      Yeah, and that Toyota will still be getting you from A to B long after most of its contemporaries have chewed the root. They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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      Christopher Duncan wrote:

      They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view.

      longevity might be a better word I guess. Regards, Nish


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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        It was reference to an identical post I made to the same guy in the soapbox, so I should at least get a 2 for subtlety, and a 3 for being able to use the same line twice without anyone knowing.

        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        and a 3 for being able to use the same line twice without anyone knowing

        Hey, this is a programmer's hangout. We encourage code reuse! Perhaps you could provide an API as a service to those of less gifted and glaring wit? :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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          Christopher Duncan wrote:

          They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view.

          longevity might be a better word I guess. Regards, Nish


          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
          Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)

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          The latter is a product of the former. ;) Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            You're from Brazil - what do you know?

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

            You're from Brazil - what do you know?

            No, idiot. I'm proudly Italian. Didn't you bother looking at people's profile before firing away bullshit? Now, go back playing with your dolls. ______________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] and the ScrewTurn Software experiment

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            • D David Stone

              How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

              And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
              We have yet to recover from the shock.

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              I keep XP on the Win2k scheme, find the XP scheme to space consuming and distracting. One good thing - MS keep supporting products for a long time. I think it was abotu a year ago they stopped continued support for NT4. The tigress is here :-D

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              • C Christopher Duncan

                Yeah, and that Toyota will still be getting you from A to B long after most of its contemporaries have chewed the root. They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                Volvo has the high mileage record at over 2 million miles on a single car.

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                • C Christopher Duncan

                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  and a 3 for being able to use the same line twice without anyone knowing

                  Hey, this is a programmer's hangout. We encourage code reuse! Perhaps you could provide an API as a service to those of less gifted and glaring wit? :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                  • D David Stone

                    How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

                    And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
                    We have yet to recover from the shock.

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                    I tested it, and I don't know what the fuss is all about actually. It has some nice features (Aero, sidebar, Windows explorer looks good, download manager and tabbed I-net explorer). I wasn't able to test the Aero Glass feature though :^). The amzing thing is that it installed in about 15 or 20 minutes !:omg: What does amazes me, is that it takes soó long to release. Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't matter if you don't. :beer:
                        :jig:

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                    • M Michael A Barnhart

                      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                      So when you buy cars, eye candy is a good enough reason

                      Um I am driving an all white 1997 Toyota Tacoma. Ok, I did splurg for the FM radio. It gets me from point a to point b. ;P "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

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                      Michael A. Barnhart wrote:

                      It gets me from point a to point b.

                      "It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile." - proverb Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing ;P

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        Crap is still crap - it doesn't matter what stage of its existance we're talking about...

                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        Crap is still crap

                        Whew! I was worried that it wasn't! :laugh:

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                          Volvo has the high mileage record at over 2 million miles on a single car.

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                          Christopher Duncan
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                          That's because people who own Volvos drive 5 miles an hour. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                          • D Dario Solera

                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                            You're from Brazil - what do you know?

                            No, idiot. I'm proudly Italian. Didn't you bother looking at people's profile before firing away bullshit? Now, go back playing with your dolls. ______________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] and the ScrewTurn Software experiment

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                            Christopher Duncan
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                            Dario Solera wrote:

                            proudly Italian

                            Isn't that redundant? :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                            • C Christopher Duncan

                              That's because people who own Volvos drive 5 miles an hour. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                              I've gone over 100 in mine. Purrs like a kitten.

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                              • L led mike

                                Michael A. Barnhart wrote:

                                It gets me from point a to point b.

                                "It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile." - proverb Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing ;P

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                                led mike wrote:

                                It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile."

                                Exactly, which is why I am happy taking twice the time and enjoying it.

                                led mike wrote:

                                Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing

                                Point B is my home. I am very please with it. :-D Sorry you are not as happy. ;P "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

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                                • D David Stone

                                  How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

                                  And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
                                  We have yet to recover from the shock.

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                                  David Stone wrote:

                                  Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless".

                                  are there a lot of people saying either of those things ? i played with one of the Betas months and months ago and didn't find anything that made me want to squeal with glee. a slick new shell? meh. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                                    I keep XP on the Win2k scheme, find the XP scheme to space consuming and distracting. One good thing - MS keep supporting products for a long time. I think it was abotu a year ago they stopped continued support for NT4. The tigress is here :-D

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                                    Trollslayer wrote:

                                    I keep XP on the Win2k scheme, find the XP scheme to space consuming and distracting

                                    that means you're smart - like me. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker

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                                    • D David Stone

                                      How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

                                      And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
                                      We have yet to recover from the shock.

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                                      So far I have only tried to run it in a Virtual PC. The result was that it pegs my CPU (3.0GHz 2GB memory) at 100%. The VPC is almost unusable (10-15 seconds to bring up control panel, even in windows classic UI mode). Of course it was still busy trying to index all the files after an hour, so maybe it'll settle down if I let it run long enough to finish...(cab't change the indexing settings or stop the indexer until its done, as far as I can tell. In Vista UI mode it was utterly unuseable (2 minutes to call up display settings so I could turn it off). I can understand this to a degree, since the VPC graphics adapter is all emulation, but was dissappointed that it didn't figure that out on its own and default to windows classic. In fact, the system performance tools shows all aspects of the "hardware" to be "green" - ok to run Vista... Underwhelmed so far...

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                                        I'm way with you David. Most people don't even realize they've hopped on a band-wagon. Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it. People don't understand that they have a choice. They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet. Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used. So they register their opinions etc, etc, etc... It's cool to bash Microsoft right?:rolleyes:


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                                        code-frog wrote:

                                        People don't understand that they have a choice

                                        who doesn't understand that ? got any names ?

                                        code-frog wrote:

                                        They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet.

                                        if people are going to ask questions about Vista in this forum, other people are going to offer their opinions. "be quiet" isn't a CP value. if you want a strictly pro-Vista echo chamber, i'm sure MS has one set up somewhere.

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                                        Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used.

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                                        • D David Stone

                                          How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

                                          And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
                                          We have yet to recover from the shock.

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                                          David Stone wrote:

                                          The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do.

                                          Overdue for several years now. -> sudo

                                          David Stone wrote:

                                          And the Aero Glass experience is awesome

                                          Not new again -> Xgl/MacOS

                                          David Stone wrote:

                                          Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension.

                                          I guess that took the delevopers about 5 minutes to program. Not new again -> Gnome What I really liked about Vista (I tested an earlier build a few weeks ago) was the look&feel and the "Windows Calendar". But that was about all. What I had missed was WinFS, Monad and a thought-out UAC, and a proper system-wide software management (keeping all software up-to-date) Right now I'll stick to WinXP (games, development) and Linux (all other stuff). Btw. could you do me a favor? In the last build I tested, Vista did not allow me to use a slash "/" in my PPPoE username. Could you open up that wizard and try to enter a username with a slash in it? thanks regards

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